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The Rumor Mill - November 17,1999 by JoseQ
If you want to learn about what's cooking in theemulation world, you've come to the right place. This timeI'm even posting on the day the Rumor Mill is supposedto come out, so I guess that means that the Rumor bagis ready to explode. I've got good news from almost allsides of the world so grab those reading glasses, causeit's going to be a juicy one. And let's get started.
I believe I have two incomplete rumors, or maybe youcan call them rumors, I'm either not allowed to say thejuicy part, or I really don't know it respectively. However,it does sound good so let me get right down to it. Thefirst cool surprise is in regards to MAME. There's a verycool, impressive driver that has been submitted to MAMEDEVin the last two days. This is for a very classic game, sodon't get too excited if you were thinking about some16-bit graphics, 3D Sound or any of that cool stuff. Thisis very much a classic game that many, many people haverequested. I have even seen it mentioned in the commentssections in past Rumor Mills. I can't let the cat out ofthe bag, but I guess it'll find it's way out soon enough.Just expect a cool surprise the next time MAME ships.
The other one is regarding a very classic emulator knownas Sparcade. If you've done your rounds, you have heard thatDave Spicer has found some time to work on the awesome Sparcade, and that it will have support for a new game that to date, has not been emulated yet. You may think about afew games, but what I've been told is that it's going tobe a surprise surprise. Meaning that once you get surprisedby the game, you'll be surprised by something else too. Sobe ready for the double take on that one. I've heard thatthis game is fairly recent though, not an oldie or classic.I haven't been able to dig anything else on it though.
Have you visited The Digital Arcade lately? It seems that Longevity updates just in time for a mention onthe Rumor Mill. Latest posting indicates that a look atwhat's still to come will be available soon, although onlyas a sneak peek type of deal. Maybe they are working on Y2Kissues, and get ready before the end of the year, but nobodyknows. I must emphasize, if they're barely close to whatI've seen, it's going to be one mother of a site. It issomething else I'm looking forward to.
Speaking of sites, another site that's in the oven tocome back soon has got to be Simply Amiga. As the title suggests, this isan Amiga emulation related site. I've even helped with afew things on this one, although not as much as maybe Ishould have. As their page suggests, they will be re-openingsoon. I know it's been like that for a while, but I've beeninformed by sources close to the project, that it will beopening it's doors to the public very soon. With cool developments like the ones at "Back to the Roots", AmigaEmulation has become one hot topic in recent days.
I may be running out of rumors here, but my correspondants have recently informed me that even thoughwe recently had a fresh take on Raine with the releaseof GunLock, that shouldn't be all we hear from the Rainecamps this month. Could a Thanksgiving week-end be all weneed for a Raine release? I can't guarantee anything, buta new Raine release in November is still possible. At leastthat's what my source said. Let's hope he can be trusted.
There are a few fronts that have been dead quiet forme lately, so I will take this opportunity to tell myImpact, Sega 32X, and Dynamic Recompiling emu authors tosend in their reports. I know the visitors definitelywant to learn more about the progress of these newdevelopments. And hey, if you know about some Sega CDemulator doing cool works, drop me a mail notecause I definitely would love to play Lunar again someday(and no, I don't have a Playstation, the Dreamcast is toojealous of my A/V system).
So that will be it for this edition of the Rumor Mill.Be sure to leave some comments on what was mentioned abovehere. Thanks for reading!

One Article Up: Dorsola at it again!
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Name: Dorsola Posted: Sunday, November 21, 1999 - (0:53)
Subject: JoseQ is on vacation
From:
Hey guys - I exchanged a little e-mail with JoseQ yesterday about the time my new reviews went up, and he mentioned he was going to be on vacation for about a week.

I figured I should let you all know, so everyone who hasn't already should go check out one of the other Emu websites (such as Vintage Gaming) for downloads.

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 Name: Dorsola Posted: Sunday, November 21, 1999 - (7:52)
Subject: Well, okay, so he's not.
From:
Just saw the update above, so I guess he's either back early or had a chance to update his site remotely. :P

Sorry Jose!

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Name: Wahs Posted: Sunday, November 21, 1999 - (0:49)
Subject: Hey JoseQ...
From:
JoseQ??? JoseQ??? Wake up!!!! They just put mame 3610b online.

How the !#!@## do we play pong if there's no roms available for it? Enquiring minds wanna know...

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 Name: John Posted: Monday, November 22, 1999 - (18:08)
Subject: Re: Hey JoseQ...
From:
>JoseQ??? JoseQ??? Wake up!!!! They just put mame 3610b online.
>
>How the !#!@## do we play pong if there's no roms available for it? Enquiring minds wanna know...
>you dont need a rom. just type in mame pong

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Name: ralph brown Posted: Saturday, November 20, 1999 - (1:52)
Subject: dreamcast
From:
the dreamcast is a quality system and will be around for years to come. sure psx2 may be more powerfull but what r they gonna do when sega releases shen mue right now the only thing that has me sold on buying psx2 is tekken tag tournament but i hear it might be coming out for the dream and recieving the same detail treatment in its conversion that soul calibur did well anyways it comes down to this for me ttt comes out for dreamcast i aint gona buy a psx2 ill just have to wait and see
oh and by the way psx2 no modem sony what the $!@# r u smokin

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 Name: trag Posted: Saturday, November 20, 1999 - (2:22)
Subject: Re: dreamcast
From:
>the dreamcast is a quality system and will be around for years to come. sure psx2 may be more powerfull but what r they gonna do when sega releases shen mue right now the only thing that has me sold on buying psx2 is tekken tag tournament but i hear it might be coming out for the dream and recieving the same detail treatment in its conversion that soul calibur did well anyways it comes down to this for me ttt comes out for dreamcast i aint gona buy a psx2 ill just have to wait and see
>oh and by the way psx2 no modem sony what the $!@# r u smokin
>
RE: psx2 has built in ethernet card that will allow for modems (like cable modems) to be attached. read that at playstation.com thought i'd share

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Name: Pedro Posted: Saturday, November 20, 1999 - (1:24)
Subject: mame 2000
From:
could mame reach 2000 games
by the first of jan. 2000 ?????

i'l gues this is their goal

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Name: john Posted: Saturday, November 20, 1999 - (0:01)
Subject: 3D0
From:
Has anyone heard about any emulation for the 3D0 system?

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 Name: iced0g6930 Posted: Saturday, November 20, 1999 - (8:41)
Subject: Re: 3D0
From:
>Has anyone heard about any emulation for the 3D0 system?
>heres the onlt 3do emulation site that i think exist: 3DOpen Emulation Project http://www.flatearthmultimedia.com/3dopen/default.asp

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Name: personan Posted: Friday, November 19, 1999 - (16:28)
Subject: smells like..
From:
While were all guessing about the new game why not spare a few moments for the poor unfortunates who actually wasted money on pong in the arcades. Sure emulating or simulating pong will break new ground since there are no roms but is it really worth it. Since however well it is simulated the program is very simple and can be coded in less than one hour (I just did it much to my despair) so who is mad enough to spend time syncing the voltages on the arcade board to some C program which will probably always run input interrupts at a different rate to the board. The best result will be that we will all end up getting duped by a mathematically inaccurate simulation, of which many (including mine) are already freely available. So pong stinks and my personal quess is that it will be Pole position, another bag of ....
If i could get my pc working id be in a better mood.

Pers

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 Name: Pong. How many times you have to be told. Posted: Friday, November 19, 1999 - (19:58)
Subject: Re: smells like..
From:
Be ready to apolgise to Juergen for his Pong simulation.

Pongman

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 Name: personan Posted: Friday, November 19, 1999 - (16:39)
Subject: Re: smells like..
From:
And no it doesnt have a rom so the simulator code would be stand alone, incorporated into an emulator without breaching copyright.

By the way, we are a small dev outfit in the UK doing a d3d version of galaga with rotoscoped isometric graphics and a replay facility. Does anybody out there have an original galaga cabinet as we need to get some good quality scans of cabinet artwork. Anyone who helps gets first dibs on beta testing.

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 Name: Dorsola Posted: Friday, November 19, 1999 - (17:02)
Subject: Re: Re: smells like..
From:
>By the way, we are a small dev outfit in the UK
>doing a d3d version of galaga with rotoscoped
>isometric graphics and a replay facility. Does
>anybody out there have an original galaga
>cabinet as we need to get some good quality
>scans of cabinet artwork. Anyone who helps gets
>first dibs on beta testing.

I'm assuming this is an unofficial (and perhaps unauthorized) D3D Galaga remake, since Hasbro has announced they will be remaking Galaga themselves soon. In that event, scanning the cabinet artwork to use in your program is treading on thin ice, since you would technically be violating Namco's copyright on the artwork.

Unless, of course, you're actually contracting with Hasbro, in which case they should have those resources available to you without need for scanning.

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 Name: personan Posted: Friday, November 19, 1999 - (19:11)
Subject: glass houses?
From:
Thanks for the encouraging comments. May i remind you that you yourself have been treading on thin ice, unless that is you own all the arcade boards which you have reviewed.

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 Name: Dorsola Posted: Friday, November 19, 1999 - (19:41)
Subject: Re: glass houses?
From:
>Thanks for the encouraging comments. May i
>remind you that you yourself have been treading
>on thin ice, unless that is you own all the
>arcade boards which you have reviewed.

Hey, I'm not trying to discourage you. I think the wording caught me a bit, though. Since you'd said you were a firm, I got the impression that you were looking to do something commercial. My apologies if this is a totally off-base generalization.

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Name: personan Posted: Friday, November 19, 1999 - (16:16)
Subject: smells like..
From:

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Name: gay Posted: Friday, November 19, 1999 - (15:44)
Subject: sex
From:
all night

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 Name: Dorsola Posted: Friday, November 19, 1999 - (15:56)
Subject: Re: sex
From:
>all night

Sounds like fun! Enjoy!

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Name: Dorsola Posted: Friday, November 19, 1999 - (13:05)
Subject: Why Pong probably CAN'T be put in MAME
From:
I just realized something. In order to write a driver for Pong, the MAMEDEV team is actually going to have to write the game itself into the emulator, not just the hardware that it ran on. That's because Pong IS its own hardware.

This unfortunately means that they would technically be doing the equivalent of distributing a ROM image (commercial or otherwise) with the emulator, which is directly against their own license agreement.

Anyone see the logic behind this? In every other game that's emulated by MAME, there is a set of hardware and a set of ROMs that make up the game. The hardware is emulated, and the ROM images are required separately. It is not possible to do this with Pong, because in addition to not having a CPU, it also does not have a program ROM.

(Correct me if I'm wrong on this.)

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 Name: raindog Posted: Friday, November 19, 1999 - (13:33)
Subject: Re: Why Pong probably CAN'T be put in MAME
From:
>This unfortunately means that they would
>technically be doing the equivalent of
>distributing a ROM image (commercial or
>otherwise) with the emulator, which is directly
>against their own license agreement.
>[...]
>The hardware is emulated, and the ROM images
>are required separately. It is not possible to
>do this with Pong, because in addition to not
>having a CPU, it also does not have a program
>ROM.

You're right, Pong doesn't have a ROM. And thus MAME needn't be distributed with one - it would be emulating circuit logic, not program code.

I bet they're talking about Pole Position, though.

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 Name: Dorsola Posted: Friday, November 19, 1999 - (13:40)
Subject: Re: Re: Why Pong probably CAN'T be put in MAME
From:
>You're right, Pong doesn't have a ROM. And thus
>MAME needn't be distributed with one - it would
>be emulating circuit logic, not program code.

True. But I was referring more to the spirit of the emulation project. It's a bit of an ethical question: In this case, does emulating the circuit logic mean emulating or copying the program code? I say it does in this case.

Now, on the other hand, you can ask yourself "Who the hell cares? Is anyone realistically going to put quarters into a Pong machine nowadays anyway?" So it's a grey area.

>I bet they're talking about Pole Position,
>though.

That seems to be the current favorite. :)

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Name: deteacher Posted: Friday, November 19, 1999 - (12:48)
Subject: What about Crackdown?
From:
I've noticed that Crackdown has never been emulated. I really enjoyed that game in the arcades. Would be nice to see. Just my two cents.

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Name: Neil Posted: Friday, November 19, 1999 - (7:17)
Subject: Hey maybe it's pong! (read the message before you tell me it hasnt got a cpu)
From:
My reasoning:

Pong can't be emulated because it's discrete hardware not cpu/rom.

However: It COULD be emulated by modelling the hardware in software.

Mame can only run a program if its coded for a CPU mame emulates.

Therefore, write a pong hardware emulator in (say) 68000 and run it as a 68000-based arcade game.

Neil.

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 Name: pm Posted: Friday, November 19, 1999 - (10:44)
Subject: Re: Hey maybe it's pong! (read the message before you tell me it hasnt got a cpu)
From:
>My reasoning:
>
>Pong can't be emulated because it's discrete hardware not cpu/rom.
>
>However: It COULD be emulated by modelling the hardware in software.
>
>Mame can only run a program if its coded for a CPU mame emulates.
>
>Therefore, write a pong hardware emulator in (say) 68000 and run it as a 68000-based arcade game.

That would mean writing an 'emulated simulation' and would not be very accurate ;-)
You can already run PONG remakes on several of the computer emulations in MESS, so I
doubt your idea of how PONG could be done is what we will see in MAME 0.36b10.

pm

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 Name: JoseQ Posted: Friday, November 19, 1999 - (7:37)
Subject: Re: Can't pong be considered a chip?
From:
If it's a circuit board, can't it be considered a chip by itself? It might not be integrated into one little chip, but it still has logic, input, output, etc. I guess we can call it the Pong chip.

JoseQ

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 Name: Jon Posted: Friday, November 19, 1999 - (14:45)
Subject: Re: Re: Can't pong be considered a chip?
From:
It can be considered a chip but not a CPU since there
is no instructions being sent to it.





>If it's a circuit board, can't it be considered a chip by itself? It might not be integrated into one little chip, but it still has logic, input, output, etc. I guess we can call it the Pong chip.
>
>JoseQ
>

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Name: Wahs Posted: Friday, November 19, 1999 - (1:14)
Subject: :(
From:
Well, there goes another forum - riding into the sunset as we speak...

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Name: Geo Posted: Friday, November 19, 1999 - (1:12)
Subject: My Guess
From:
Its probably not Gay Sex, so I'm betting on Pole Position.

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Name: RenegadeX Posted: Friday, November 19, 1999 - (1:11)
Subject: NEW MAME GAME!
From:
Stun Runner!

Woo hoo!

:)

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Name: Ed Posted: Friday, November 19, 1999 - (0:10)
Subject: Pole Position!
From:
Could this great game's day to see the light of emulation have finally arrived? I hope so!

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Name: OPen_ice_Kid[s] Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (23:55)
Subject: NHL OPEN ICE 2 ON 2
From:
mame this ! !
ill skip frames i dont care ! !
[arcade is actuallt too slow anyways]
late' jb5000@gateway.net

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Name: Jellodyne Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (23:51)
Subject: Super Mario Bros?
From:
It's a console classic anyway. Code is right there in MESS. Should be a no brainer to put in. So where is it?

- Jellodyne

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 Name: Evil Posted: Friday, November 19, 1999 - (7:54)
Subject: Super Mario Bros *was* an arcade game.
From:
There was an arcade version of SMB. Bigger sprites, no flicker on the turtles, a completely different world six. Much harder to beat than the NES version. It did have the same bug where you could hop a turtle walking down a step-hill and get hundreds of free lives though.

I don't think that's what they're adding to MAME, but I wish it was, because I used to play it all the time in highschool.

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 Name: fubar Posted: Friday, November 19, 1999 - (6:47)
Subject: Re: Super Mario Bros?
From:
By what logic do you figure that emulating an arcade game is anything like emulating a console game?
Are you really lame enough to believe that just because it's a game with the same name on two platforms that it must be the same code and hardware?

>It's a console classic anyway. Code is right there in MESS. Should be a no brainer to put in. So where is it?
>
>- Jellodyne
>

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 Name: Dorsola Posted: Friday, November 19, 1999 - (12:54)
Subject: Re: Re: Super Mario Bros?
From:
>By what logic do you figure that emulating an
>arcade game is anything like emulating a console
>game?
>Are you really lame enough to believe that just
>because it's a game with the same name on two
>platforms that it must be the same code and
>hardware?

In this case, the arcade and console versions of the game aren't nearly as far apart as you might believe. The Nintendo VS hardware is (to the best of my knowledge) nearly identical to that of the NES home system, with the principal differences being different wiring for things such as the coin slot, direct wiring for the monitor, speakers, sound system, power, etc. In other words, a circuit board with ROMs integrated into a cabinet, as opposed to a more portable home system with cartridges.

I don't know as much about it as I'd like to make you believe, but the guy had a valid point. There's no reason that MAME can't utilize existing drivers in MESS if the systems being emulated are so similar.

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 Name: fubar Posted: Friday, November 19, 1999 - (6:47)
Subject: Re: Super Mario Bros?
From:
By what logic do you figure that emulating an arcade game is anything like emulating a console game?
Are you really lame enough to believe that just because it's a game with the same name on both platforms that it must be the same code?

>It's a console classic anyway. Code is right there in MESS. Should be a no brainer to put in. So where is it?
>
>- Jellodyne
>

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 Name: Posted: Friday, November 19, 1999 - (6:46)
Subject: Re: Super Mario Bros?
From:
By what logic do you figure that emulating an arcade game is anything like emulating a console game?
Are you really lame enough to believe that just because it's a game with the same name on both platforms that it must be the same code?

>It's a console classic anyway. Code is right there in MESS. Should be a no brainer to put in. So where is it?
>
>- Jellodyne
>

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 Name: Jellodyne Posted: Friday, November 19, 1999 - (11:49)
Subject: Re: Re: Super Mario Bros?
From:
>Are you really lame enough to believe that just because it's a game with the same name on both platforms that it must be the same code?

No, it's not the same code. The arcade version is slightly different, but the Nintendo Vs hardware is almost identical to the NES. Are you lame enough to not know that?

- Jellodyne

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 Name: Dorsola Posted: Friday, November 19, 1999 - (12:57)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Super Mario Bros?
From:
>No, it's not the same code. The arcade version
>is slightly different, but the Nintendo Vs
>hardware is almost identical to the NES. Are you
>lame enough to not know that?

Hehe... I just made this point above. The guy who responded to you and called you lame also posted his reply three times.

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Name: Wonko Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (23:40)
Subject: Salamander 2 or Gradius 4 in sparcade!!! ;)
From:
Well thats my hopes and guesses heh.

im a Gradius Nutz

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Name: kulo Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (21:59)
Subject: I feeling like a us
From:
i fell like a sheet, i "cut" "finish" whith my girlfrind.
i a spiritus man, i known, i m stupid, what i can say??? I LOVE YOU!!!
the money is nothing!
my girlfriend WAS/IS/WILL be the best, i say this in this moment, but i feelit!
the emulation is my unique salvation, for this hole of paine.
i feel like a sheet!

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 Name: JoseQ Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (22:40)
Subject: Re: I feeling like a us
From:
Man, girls come and go, you'll find someone special again soon. I felt like that once, and now I'm married and it's really paradise. Some men make jokes about the sufferings of being married, but I really can't relate. After thinking I had lost the best girl ever, I really found the girl of my dreams, and now I'm married.

Life takes very mysterious turns, and I always like to think it's for the best. Life is always good, the road may get stinky every once in a while, but life is always good.

JoseQ

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Name: N2ONinja Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (19:30)
Subject: To JoseQ
From:
Actually these people have it backwards Dreamcast is still 300 in Japan but thats in yen and same with PSX2 the American price will be "below $300" as stated by CEO of Sony Inc. at E3 and to several 3rd party magazines. And in fact it is a "toy" because its unupgradeable and you can reserve one in a month at TOYS R US. But the big thing i'm debating in my mind is that whether or not I would like to develop for it with the kit beeing 2,000 dollars American. Basically it was a good choice for ps1 and buy ps2 when its reduced cause another thing is that some of sonys earlier model DVD drives had an error when playing The Matrix (rules rules rules!) so we'd be better off with asking more questions like more of the technical info. Oh and put a music CD in your ps1, play, and hit select if you didnt already know cause I dunno how this thing slipped me. Well uuum bye.

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 Name: JoseQ Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (21:23)
Subject: Re: To JoseQ
From:
Well a couple of things, was the PSX2 announced already at E3? I believe nothing was written in stone in May still. It was around that time though. But the close to $379 American Japanese
price was definitely not announced until a few months ago.

One other thing is that I doubt the dev kit for the PS2 is at $2,000 American dollars. It has got to be A LOT more than that. Maybe you missed a 0?

JoseQ

>Actually these people have it backwards Dreamcast is still 300 in Japan but thats in yen and same with PSX2 the American price will be "below $300" as stated by CEO of Sony Inc. at E3 and to several 3rd party magazines. And in fact it is a "toy" because its unupgradeable and you can reserve one in a month at TOYS R US. But the big thing i'm debating in my mind is that whether or not I would like to develop for it with the kit beeing 2,000 dollars American. Basically it was a good choice for ps1 and buy ps2 when its reduced cause another thing is that some of sonys earlier model DVD drives had an error when playing The Matrix (rules rules rules!) so we'd be better off with asking more questions like more of the technical info. Oh and put a music CD in your ps1, play, and hit select if you didnt already know cause I dunno how this thing slipped me. Well uuum bye.
>

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Name: Alexis Vladirov Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (17:05)
Subject: System 32
From:
what ever happened to the system 32
project that was being developed by
someone that looked very promising.
All the sudden, I haven't heard from
it for a long time. I want to play
games like (Afterburner, Afterburner 2,
Spiderman, Super Monaco GP, Powerdrift).
I think everyone wants to play them too.

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 Name: Jon Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (19:50)
Subject: Re: System 32
From:
Only one of the games you mentioned is system32, Spiderman.

>what ever happened to the system 32
>project that was being developed by
>someone that looked very promising.
>All the sudden, I haven't heard from
>it for a long time. I want to play
>games like (Afterburner, Afterburner 2,
>Spiderman, Super Monaco GP, Powerdrift).
>I think everyone wants to play them too.
>

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Name: Alexis Vladirov Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (17:01)
Subject: Mame
From:
I Think it's either Afterburner,
NBA JAM, Terminator 2, Mortal Kombat 2,
or Super Monago GP..I hope one of these games
would come true :)

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Name: Piolo Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (16:54)
Subject: hello to ny old fan arcade i'm up now goes from fighting joseq
From:
yes,i finally up to this board
hey joseq thank for last weeks you give me some hint to enter nd no banned anymore
well this day's i see gun_lock release
but gridseeker is the code for show gun_lock and gun_lock is code to show gridseeker
my gun_lock board is good
from mame fake another release of it bug's emulation of all times
i think this guys must have to do good jobs too to show us the feeling and delete all bugs from the games of past
i contact mame team and i am now convinct from their job but the feeling must be correct and correct the m68000 to show the engine of it
now mame team i wait your mame bet 10 to do what you have speak to me
for the moment mame remain for all totally a fake don't emulted well and to the full speed any games added
and don't lose your time(and word)expalin all mame is perfect
because if you do it you and all are lickers at mame's foot developer
because mame stop his jobs when the developers(mame team)have finally got mame perfect
and when this happens mame team svanish in a bit
please stop to licking mame,if you licking mame you are stupid
thank for your time to read
bye soon joseq ,ppl,djb,randy,zf,shinobiz
ha at least kill time to play neorge and the new zsnes and trash mame
when mame becomes perfect the chitcken flying with jet in air
at the next post sooooon!

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 Name: piolo's son Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (22:35)
Subject: About papa
From:
Dad you're kool!
Can you see the beauty of your opinions?
Sure, he's gay (after made me) but, who cares?
Don't misunderstood my dad, because he had some serious problems in your childhood like child sexual annoing, etc.

====
I hope the new game will be After Burner...

Bye soon

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 Name: Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (17:04)
Subject: brable, snort, frap!
From:
>please stop to licking mame,if you licking mame you are stupid
>thank for your time to read

MAME team send kisses and love too, smooch, smooch.
Hurry back so can be banned again soon!

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 Name: Piolo Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (18:23)
Subject: Mame Team is a Gay team if you kisses their
From:
hahahahahahahahah
what news ,the world various systems and the world various
gay's system
go shut up with your fake forever in hell(MAME)
multiple arcade trash emulator
now revenge to a man who banned me again
bye

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 Name: Posted: Friday, November 19, 1999 - (5:54)
Subject: Re: Mame Team is a Gay team if you kisses their
From:
Who is this fool?

I'm sure everyone would like to join me in thanking him for his constructive comments...

Afterburner would be good, if only for abot 45 seconds... without that joystick or cabinet i think we'll all be feeling a bit silly about how great we thought it was.

If work is continuing on the more CPU hungry Sega boards... like Afterburner and Galaxy Force, then i may begin holding my breath for Power Drift.

Jose, any news on the system 32 emulator... latest screen shots showed correct sprites (most), and working backgrounds.. any reports for us?


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 Name: Hattori Hanzo Posted: Friday, November 19, 1999 - (13:33)
Subject: what the $!@# language is that?
From:
Piolo. What country are you from? I have nothing
against foreigners and no problem with some difficulty
using English context, but if you're going to
spew hate and useless bullsh!t...... at least don't
insult our language. Christ I have no clue what the
hell you're trying to say, all I know is that it's
negative and sounds like sh!t Balki would say. Get
over it, MAME is free and yes it kinda sucks but
it's free and is basically being "donated" to you.
Besides, everyone hates people like you- people
who constantly bitch and complain. Go buy some stuff
and complain about it.

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 Name: Manfred Mann Posted: Saturday, November 20, 1999 - (22:00)
Subject: Can't you see?
From:
Hey Ninja

Can't you see? All piolo want is be the center of the discussion. If you flame with he, it's all he want. And sorry for my english. Is not my natural language...

And i think the new game is pole position : (

Cheers!

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Name: Pong man Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (16:53)
Subject: Pong
From:
It's pong.

Did I say, It's pong?

Pongman.

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Name: portchez Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (16:42)
Subject: dragon's liar?
From:
Can this game be emulated?

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 Name: Knark Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (17:34)
Subject: Re: dragon's liar?
From:
>Can this game be emulated?

The game has to exist to be emulated. There is no such game as Dragon's Liar.

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 Name: Posted: Thursday, November 25, 1999 - (16:44)
Subject: Re: Re: dragon's liar?
From:
>>Can this game be emulated?
>
>The game has to exist to be emulated. There is no such game as Dragon's Liar.
>The game does exist dumbass

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 Name: JoseQ Posted: Friday, November 19, 1999 - (5:34)
Subject: Re: Re: dragon's liar?
From:
Maybe he meant Space Ache

JoseQ

>>Can this game be emulated?
>
>The game has to exist to be emulated. There is no such game as Dragon's Liar.
>

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 Name: Posted: Friday, November 19, 1999 - (5:30)
Subject: Re: Re: dragon's liar?
From:
>>Can this game be emulated?
>
>The game has to exist to be emulated. There is no such game as Dragon's Liar.
>HAHAHAHHHAHHHHHHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Name: Jeff Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (15:42)
Subject: pole position
From:
I betcha its pole position. That would
Rock!

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Name: sj Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (14:37)
Subject: I hope it's Pole Position!
From:
Over the past two years I have been playing MAME, all the games I want to see were added.
Except Pole Position.

My fingers are crossed!

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Name: Nathan Strum Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (13:51)
Subject: Mystery game
From:
I doubt it's I Robot, since that's not the sort of ultra-fresh rumor that this seems to be (I Robot was announced on the official MAME WIP page last week).

Looping, as I understand it, has some ridiculously complex innards to it, as does Turbo. However, since Turbo is already partially emulated, I suspect that may be what it is. So that's my guess.

It probably wouldn't be Pong or Death Race, since neither used CPUs, and both would be more at home in a simulation project.

Having said all that... I'd *love* it if it were indeed Pole Position. I can dream, anyway...

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Name: The Bouncer Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (13:39)
Subject: Classic Game?
From:
Gotta be Afterburner, surely. This game has been mentioned quite bit all over the place just lately. System 16 had part of the game emulated so maybe the MAME crew have completed it? I hope so!

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Name: GBMan Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (12:31)
Subject: The new romset in MAME will be...
From:
¿I-Robot? SURE!
¿Pole Position? NOT THINK...
¿Captain America and The Avengers? I HOPE...
¿Battle Rangers?......

It's easy that this game will be included before the 0.37 betas cycle... The Unemulated Arcade Games web page says that it's almost completed!

For now, i can enjoy one of the most desired game to be emulated... MEXICO 86

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Name: 3RM-EA-Dist Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (12:05)
Subject: PSX-vs-DC
From:
At times like this it really amazes me how many sad indeviduals there are out there Ie . My console better than yours philophosy It dosn`t matter a toss how good the hardware is if the software cannot support it we saw thuis with the jaguar . Dreamcast - I will admit this has been a let down so far with many of the games appearing far better on a standard pc ie SEGA RALLEY2
But lets not count the old sega effort out yet
cos these miles to go until the race is won,

PSX - Top console Vast amount of games easily the console of the 90`s .

Psx2 - Nice hardware (amazing to see in the flesh)
but as we all know opr should know a console is defined by software and as Squaresoft and Namco are behind this It should be and Interesting next Couple of years

Dolphin- Don`t rule out Nintendo , They Suprised Us with pokemon and the N64 So I would never flog nintendo off as a dead horse.

X-BOX - hmm intel + microsoft a killer combo
We all look foward to this little gem when it finaly sees the life of day hopefully it won`t end up being another 'M2' project

Well heres my rant.

anyone want to add any thing to that
email me at

3rm@$!@#you.co.uk
Real Email

Check the Webpage at
http:/snes9x.com/wwemu
sorry I posted Twice Clciked on Wrong item DOH


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 Name: SuperGear Posted: Friday, November 19, 1999 - (17:27)
Subject: Re: PSX-vs-DC
From:

Actually X-Box isn't using Intel at all. X-box is using AMD Athlon.
>At times like this it really amazes me how many sad indeviduals there are out there Ie . My console better than yours philophosy It dosn`t matter a toss how good the hardware is if the software cannot support it we saw thuis with the jaguar . Dreamcast - I will admit this has been a let down so far with many of the games appearing far better on a standard pc ie SEGA RALLEY2
>But lets not count the old sega effort out yet
>cos these miles to go until the race is won,
>
>PSX - Top console Vast amount of games easily the console of the 90`s .
>
>Psx2 - Nice hardware (amazing to see in the flesh)
>but as we all know opr should know a console is defined by software and as Squaresoft and Namco are behind this It should be and Interesting next Couple of years
>
>Dolphin- Don`t rule out Nintendo , They Suprised Us with pokemon and the N64 So I would never flog nintendo off as a dead horse.
>
>X-BOX - hmm intel + microsoft a killer combo
>We all look foward to this little gem when it finaly sees the life of day hopefully it won`t end up being another 'M2' project
>
>Well heres my rant.
>
>anyone want to add any thing to that
>email me at
>
>3rm@$!@#you.co.uk
>Real Email
>
>Check the Webpage at
>http:/snes9x.com/wwemu
>sorry I posted Twice Clciked on Wrong item DOH
>
>
>

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 Name: Hattori Hanzo Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (13:42)
Subject: Re: PSX-vs-DC-vs-Atari
From:
N64 made me laugh,
Pokemon made me sick.

I hope the X-Box NEVER comes out. I don't ever want a company like Microsoft monopolizing the game industry, and I'll never support an MS console. The game industry belongs in Japan where they know how to do things the right way. No one buy the X-Box. Boycott Microcock.

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 Name: GORON Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (15:03)
Subject: Re: Re: PSX-vs-DC-vs-Atari
From:
"The game industry belongs in Japan where they know how to do things the right way"? And who are you to tell everyone what "the right way" is? As for boycotting Microsoft - well, if they can come up with a system that is superior to the alternatives, then I will buy that system! I certainly don't get warm fuzzy feelings about either Sony, Nintendo or Sega monopolizing the game industry. Remember Nintendo forcing developers to release new games exclusively for their system? Is that "the right way" that things are done?

Either way, nothing on any game console can touch multiplayer LAN games of Unreal or Quake. (No Japanese involvement there.) Keep fiddling with your little toys, kid. I'll be using some real iron.

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 Name: Dorsola Posted: Friday, November 19, 1999 - (13:34)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: PSX-vs-DC-vs-Atari
From:
>"The game industry belongs in Japan where they
>know how to do things the right way"? And who
>are you to tell everyone what "the right way"
>"is? As for boycotting Microsoft - well, if
>they can come up with a system that is superior
>to the alternatives, then I will buy that
>system! I certainly don't get warm fuzzy
>feelings about either Sony, Nintendo or Sega
>monopolizing the game industry. Remember
>Nintendo forcing developers to release new games
>exclusively for their system? Is that "the
>right way" that things are done?

I agree here. I won't boycott Microsoft for the simple fact that, on average, their products have been better than the competition. How do you think they got to be a monopoly in the first place? This doesn't just happen with aggressive marketing - consumers aren't stupid. Yes, you can say that Microsoft writes sloppy, bug-ridden code, but if that's the case, why does more than 90% of the computer market use their software?

And I will gladly point to Internet Explorer as an example - IE4 and IE5 both are much more standards-compliant for HTML, Javascript, CSS, and a number of other things, have less stability and performane problems, and in my opinion have a nicer interface than the entire Netscape 4.x series. I am a professional web designer and can tell you from experience that Netscape has given me nothing but problems with STANDARD HTML code.

(Yes, IE has tons of security vulnerabilities, but if you think about it... so does Netscape. You just don't hear as much about Netscape's vulnerabilities because (a) Not as many people are using it now, and (b) Netscape isn't fixing their browser nearly as often as Microsoft is.)

...

Stepping off of the Microsoft soapbox, I also agree that Nintendo made a serious error in insisting that their developers sign exclusive contracts with them. This is the primary reason that SquareSoft (Final Fantasy series) has stopped making games for Nintendo's systems. In an attempt to leverage their way into a monopoly, Nintendo lost a major asset.

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Name: shoryureppa Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (11:30)
Subject: Hmmm
From:
I'm guessing either Pole Position (yee-haw!) or Turbo.

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 Name: Jon H Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (14:51)
Subject: Or possibly Monaco GP but I think more than likely Pole Position
From:
>I'm guessing either Pole Position (yee-haw!) or Turbo.
>
>

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Name: bucko Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (11:22)
Subject: New MAME game
From:
How about Deathrace 2000? Anybody remember that old black and white game? It had a steering wheel that allowed you to control a top-down-view car that you would use to run over little men running around the screen. As soon as you mowed them down, a little tombstone would pop up. I have never seen it emulated anywhere, and it definitely qualifies as old...

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 Name: Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (12:44)
Subject: Re: New MAME game
From:
>How about Deathrace 2000? Anybody remember that old black and white game? It had a steering wheel that allowed you to control a top-down-view car that you would use to run over little men running around the screen. As soon as you mowed them down, a little tombstone would pop up. I have never seen it emulated anywhere, and it definitely qualifies as old...
>
There was never a video game called "Deathrace 2000".

The name of the game is "Death Race". It was
produced by Exidy in 1976.



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 Name: dr Posted: Friday, September 6, 2002 - (19:12)
Subject: deathrace
From: aca3d4fd.ipt.aol.com
I read that it was the first banned game and thus would seem an especially inviting object of emulation.

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Name: Greg Ralston Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (11:18)
Subject: Dreamcast debate
From: aca3d4fd.ipt.aol.com
I thought it was funny all the people that are trashing the dreamcast now. I got the import dreamcast when it came out in Japan & now I have an american version too. I have 12 console systems hooked into my entertainment center,
including the playstation & I have a few things to say on the subject. First, has everyone noticed how all the game mags are hyping the hell out of the Playstation 2, even though we won't see it for almost a year? This is because
Sony is trying to keep gamers from buying a Dreamcast by promicing gamers the moon. Some of us are smart enough to fall for it. While the Dreamcast may not have alot of titles out now, don't think that they are just going to roll over
and let Sony win. When the PS2 finally launches, expect to see Sega bring out a hoard of killer games that rival anything Sony has to offer. plus Dreamcast owners will get backwards-compatability with the Saturn. All this plus a price
drop to about $149.00 and it'll be interesting to see how good sony does with their $349.00 machine. I'm betting the Dreamcast will be around for awhile..


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Name: Throck Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (10:26)
Subject: Another possible classic?
From: aca3d4fd.ipt.aol.com
'Course, I've been hoping that someone would eventually emulate Captain America and the Avengers by Data East. Another one of those sort of Golden Axe/TMNT/X-Men style games where you walk around and kill things. The Sentinal boss in the second level was really impressive in the arcades.

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Name: anticupid Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (9:56)
Subject: new to MAME is...
From: aca3d4fd.ipt.aol.com
The surprise game for Mame is likely going to be Afterburner. My understanding of why it isn't emulated is that there is some sort of protection on the roms, and MAMEDEV are the experts at cracking protection. Further supporting proof is that MAME already emulates most, if not all, the hardware that Afterburner needs to run. Lastly Afterburner has been menionted in the comments on past Rumor Mills.

As for Pole Position, well my understanding of why that is not emulated is that a custom CPU with little information available about it, needs to be emulated. So unless things have changes on that front it doesn't look very likely.

ac.

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 Name: Interceptor Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (14:16)
Subject: afterburner specs were released to MAMEDEV
From: aca3d4fd.ipt.aol.com
as the title suggest, the schematics for afterburner were made available to the MAMEDEV team some time ago, also note that while Andrew Prime is working on the S16 stuff, both Theirry Lescott and Nao are also on MAMEDEV. if the schemetics answered the questions regarding the sega custom chip which resides between the 68000s, then there is no reason why Afterburner emulation wouldn't be possible.

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Name: Majai Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (9:13)
Subject:
From: aca3d4fd.ipt.aol.com
Its Prob Looping... i hope it is

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Name: oZoNe Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (8:48)
Subject: My Guess!!!!
From: aca3d4fd.ipt.aol.com
I believe there was someone working on getting the old B/W game Stunt Cycle to be simulated. Granted it used 1 or 2 roms but mostly discreet circuits, it would be my best guess that it is this one, but ya never know with the MAME Machine these days.

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 Name: Mr Space Posted: Friday, November 19, 1999 - (6:53)
Subject: Re: My Guess!!!!
From: aca3d4fd.ipt.aol.com
>I believe there was someone working on getting the old B/W game Stunt Cycle to be simulated. Granted it used 1 or 2 roms but mostly discreet circuits, it would be my best guess that it is this one, but ya never know with the MAME Machine these days.
>

Sorry, Wrong!!! A game cannot be considered for inclusion in MAME unless it has a CPU (last I heard anyway). That also excludes Pong from MAME, unless Nicola has a change of heart....

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Name: Alex Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (8:04)
Subject: New Game in MAME
From: aca3d4fd.ipt.aol.com
I am guessing I-Robot is finally working

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Name: NiXOBeee Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (7:46)
Subject: No stop kidding, it's definetly...
From: aca3d4fd.ipt.aol.com
Pole Position of course !!!

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Name: Longevity Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (7:34)
Subject: Digital Arcade
From: aca3d4fd.ipt.aol.com
errr, http://www.digital-arcade.com

sorry . . .

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Name: Longevity Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (7:33)
Subject: Teaser . . .
From: aca3d4fd.ipt.aol.com
Hello,

I'm here just giving an update to the MILL.
A new teaser is up now, why don't you guys take
a look and tell me what you think. ;)

Longevity

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Name: Thomas Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (7:32)
Subject: or maybe......After Burner ???
From: aca3d4fd.ipt.aol.com
arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !

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Name: Blizzard Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (2:11)
Subject: PONG?!?
From: aca3d4fd.ipt.aol.com
I very much doubt it would be pong. MAME is an emulator, not a simulator.

There are lots of old 2D games that I would love to see in MAME. Well, any classic is a bonus.


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Name: Wahs Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (1:59)
Subject: ARRRRGH
From: aca3d4fd.ipt.aol.com
SUPRISSSEEE, SURPRISSEEE, SURRRPRISSE.

Why must you leave us in such suspense JoseQ!?!?!? You're supposed to tell us these things!!! That's what you're paid to do!!

Um, ok...so you're not getting paid anything. That's still no excuse.

My guess: POLE POSITION!! They've been working on getting that for quite sometime now. If its pong, I'd be just as happy.

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 Name: 3RM-EA-Dist Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (12:03)
Subject: PSX-vs-DC
From: aca3d4fd.ipt.aol.com
At times like this it really amazes me how many sad indeviduals there are out there Ie . My console better than yours philophosy It dosn`t matter a toss how good the hardware is if the software cannot support it we saw thuis with the jaguar . Dreamcast - I will admit this has been a let down so far with many of the games appearing far better on a standard pc ie SEGA RALLEY2
But lets not count the old sega effort out yet
cos these miles to go until the race is won,

PSX - Top console Vast amount of games easily the console of the 90`s .

Psx2 - Nice hardware (amazing to see in the flesh)
but as we all know opr should know a console is defined by software and as Squaresoft and Namco are behind this It should be and Interesting next Couple of years

Dolphin- Don`t rule out Nintendo , They Suprised Us with pokemon and the N64 So I would never flog nintendo off as a dead horse.

X-BOX - hmm intel + microsoft a killer combo
We all look foward to this little gem when it finaly sees the life of day hopefully it won`t end up being another 'M2' project

Well heres my rant.

anyone want to add any thing to that
email me at

3rm@$!@#you.co.uk
Real Email

Check the Webpage at
http:/snes9x.com/wwemu

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Name: JoseQ Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (1:52)
Subject: Dreamcast, PSX, huh?
From: aca3d4fd.ipt.aol.com
Hmm I guess you guys missed the point and turned this into a console discussion. My only comment was saying why there is no Playstation in my living room. So I skipped a generation, I was busy with college. Obviously, I am now very late to get a PSX although it does look tempting at that price and the amount of games it has, but having a Dreamcast, another console would be overkill since I don't play that much anyhow.

I want to clarify that I didn't mean anything about PSX being bad or good, or the same about any of the other consoles. Like I said above the PSX is a good console, just not something I would buy now.

Now, if you want to talk DC vs. PSX2, here's a couple of points I can say:
1. I bought a Dreamcast cause I had the money now, I wanted to play console games now, and NFL 2K looked incredibly good, that sold me out.
2. PSX2 is not coming out for another year, the price although justified, is too high for a toy.

I know PSX2 advocates will say: "But wait, it has IEEE 1394, USB, it even plays DVDs! It's not a toy!". Ok, do you watch movies on your DVD Player with a control pad hanging from it? It's a toy. Ah, I remember Philips CD-i, 3DO and others...

But hey, I'm not saying it's not good. Hardware wise, it's as impressive as you can get! There's no doubt that there's power in that puppy to play the best darn looking games ever. But would I pay $300 for a toy? And that is a big IF they come down to that price. Realistically speaking, DVD, Firewire, USB, plus console gaming power, it's going to be tough getting it down to $300, they would already be loosing money at $349.

At any rate, time will tell and will teach me a lesson if I spoke too much. I just think that the price is steep, even though it is entirely justified. I mean, a Porsche 911 may have enough pieces there to justify it's price, and I definitely drool when I see one, but would I buy one? Not until I win the lotto.

Dreamcast is OK and makes me happy for now. :)

JoseQ


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Name: Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (1:36)
Subject:
From: aca3d4fd.ipt.aol.com
What does the "X" in PSX stand for?

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 Name: The Beaf Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (19:52)
Subject: Re:
From: aca3d4fd.ipt.aol.com
>What does the "X" in PSX stand for?

Originally the playstation was calles a PlayStation eXtreme (PSX) that name was scrapped, but the PSX stuck.

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 Name: Blizzard Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (2:06)
Subject: Re: I think
From: aca3d4fd.ipt.aol.com
>What does the "X" in PSX stand for?

I heard that it was there because originally Sony called it's new counsel the "Play Station eXtreme" They dropped the eXtreme and just shortend it.

However, by then the three letters were used in magazines and websites. People just ignored the name change. PSX stuck.


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 Name: Dorsola Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (4:45)
Subject: Re: Re: I think
From: aca3d4fd.ipt.aol.com
You do have to admit, though, that PSX sounds considerably cooler than plain ol' boring "PS" (which then could be manipulated into other things, like "POS", or misintepreted as something like "Post Script" or "Progresso Soup", etc.).

If nothing else, PSX may have been brought about just to make it sound cooler, so that you'd have another 3-letter console abbreviation to go along with NES, SMS, N64, etc... (though the N64 came out after all this started).

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Name: NTTRBL Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (0:58)
Subject: dreamcast reply
From: aca3d4fd.ipt.aol.com
Sure the dreamcast has better graphics etc.(DUH maybe something to do with 128 over 32) what I was getting at was that SONY has more software companies making games for their system(and for a 32 bit system the GRAPHICS are not that BAD)than CRAPTENDO. and as for the DREAMCAST you can try to explain how good the system is to all my friends that bought a genesis-32x-saturn-whatever and are wondering where the games are for it. As for backwards compatibility, all the games I bought for PSX eg.(test dive 4-5-6,nfs3-4 etc)at $70-$80 apiece won't be given to future emulation projects for me to enjoy, NO, they'll be still being played on my new PSX2!!

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 Name: namco003 Posted: Friday, November 19, 1999 - (5:28)
Subject: Re: dreamcast reply
From: aca3d4fd.ipt.aol.com
$70-$80 dollars a piece!?!?!?!?
You got ripped off!!!all the games i bought were aboot 39 to 45 dollars. where do u get that price from!?!!
Anyway I work at Blockbuster and i have to say that we are not getting any game for the dreamcast we have because....there arent any games to get. Last i heard nothing is really coming out until January!!So all these people rushed out and got a D-cast and dont have any games to play for it. All the software that is supposed to be out keeps getting pushed back. And some of the games i have seen on PC. eg. rainbow six, expendable, trick style. what a buncha crap. I will stick to PSX anyday.

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 Name: JoseQ Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (1:41)
Subject: Re: dreamcast reply
From: aca3d4fd.ipt.aol.com
Hmm, I didn't say anything bad about PSX2, PSX or Nintendo. What are you so defensive about?

PSX2 is an impressive piece of hardware indeed.

JoseQ

>Sure the dreamcast has better graphics etc.(DUH maybe something to do with 128 over 32) what I was getting at was that SONY has more software companies making games for their system(and for a 32 bit system the GRAPHICS are not that BAD)than CRAPTENDO. and as for the DREAMCAST you can try to explain how good the system is to all my friends that bought a genesis-32x-saturn-whatever and are wondering where the games are for it. As for backwards compatibility, all the games I bought for PSX eg.(test dive 4-5-6,nfs3-4 etc)at $70-$80 apiece won't be given to future emulation projects for me to enjoy, NO, they'll be still being played on my new PSX2!!
>

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Name: MameGod Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (0:52)
Subject: Classic Game in Mame
From: aca3d4fd.ipt.aol.com
Well, the most classic oldie of em all would be pong. Now, i know this game doesn't run on normal archatecture and the like, with roms and whatnot, but does that exclude it from emulation?
Really if they could emulate pong, i thought that would be saved for their 2000th game (which i think they can still do by Dec 31, 1999 with only 142 games to go) If this is the case, I'm sure their clone additions will go through the roof =)

I've often wondered if Nicola has a huge stockpile of clone roms, and only include a few at a time for each mame beta, or are all the available ones always included, granted that they work, etc.)

Whoa, I'm ranted too long, but i vote for pong! (kind of suiting as well, if you think of the current hasbro remake)

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Name: Raphael Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (0:42)
Subject: Yet Another Guess
From: aca3d4fd.ipt.aol.com
A truly classic game, one that many, many people have been asking for, and one that has not been able to be emulated by MAME thus far...

I, Robot??

I sure hope so, at least. This one has been giving MAME nightmares nearly since release one, but perhaps it is time for this game to be unveiled once more to the public! I sure hope so, at least -- I want to try it, myself. Anyone know where to get that special I, Robot emulator?

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 Name: postamessage Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (10:11)
Subject: I robot
From: aca3d4fd.ipt.aol.com
>A truly classic game, one that many, many people have been asking for, and one that has not been able to be emulated by MAME thus far...
>
>I, Robot??
>
>I sure hope so, at least. This one has been giving MAME nightmares nearly since release one, but perhaps it is time for this game to be unveiled once more to the public! I sure hope so, at least -- I want to try it, myself.

Didn't you see the MAME wip page. You will like what you see.

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 Name: Scott Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (2:49)
Subject: Re: Yet Another Guess
From: aca3d4fd.ipt.aol.com
The web page for the I, Robot emulator is:

www.emucamp.com/irobot

>A truly classic game, one that many, many people have been asking for, and one that has not been able to be emulated by MAME thus far...
>
>I, Robot??
>
>I sure hope so, at least. This one has been giving MAME nightmares nearly since release one, but perhaps it is time for this game to be unveiled once more to the public! I sure hope so, at least -- I want to try it, myself. Anyone know where to get that special I, Robot emulator?
>

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Name: NTTRBL Posted: Wednesday, November 17, 1999 - (23:35)
Subject: dreamcast
From: aca3d4fd.ipt.aol.com
Sorry but after owning the psx since it started I would have to say your crazy, DREAMCAST SUCKS!!!!The shear amount of titles,shows you that PSX rules!!DREAMCAST ha ha.you being emu people should know about REVERSE compatiblity etc. where is it in the SEGA'S, I know SONY is not the favorites among the EMU scene, but tell me about it when I have my new PSX 2 playing 700+ games upon release and you NINTENDO and SEGA people are playing your handfull of games eg.(nintendo64)that are offered. And besides I tried the DREAMCAST and I don't feel the graphics etc. are really that good, unless your talking a system that will only last a couple of years, to be erased by another.eg(genesis-cd-32x-saturn-dreamcast-more SEGA BULLSHIT!!!)

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 Name: newtype Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (15:20)
Subject: Re: dreamcast
From: aca3d4fd.ipt.aol.com
alrighty....this is getting a bit crazy.....ok.....as for Backwards compatability for the Dreamcast, Sega plans to release an add-on for that........and here is the killer......turns out Sega has been talking with the creaters of Bleem, and it seems Sega wants to put the nail in the coffin of Sony, by making a PSX emu for the DC.....The DC and Bleem use the same operating system so it would be easy for them to do that.....All I can say now is that Sega and the creaters of Bleem have came to an agreement....now...if this is to happen......whoa boy....watch out.

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 Name: GORON Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (14:35)
Subject: Re: dreamcast
From: aca3d4fd.ipt.aol.com
Hmmm... I had a Commodore 64 almost 15 years ago with a few THOUSAND games. By your logic, I should toss my Dreamcast and PC and go get the 64 out of the closet! Obviously, since it has THOUSANDS of games, it must be better! Playstation SUX cause it only has 700 games!

Face facts: The graphics on the Dreamcast blow the PlayStation away. Have you seen SoulCalibur? Your PlayStation cannot compare.

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 Name: |Ray| Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (12:08)
Subject: Re: dreamcast
From: aca3d4fd.ipt.aol.com
>Sorry but after owning the psx since it started I would have to say your crazy, DREAMCAST SUCKS!!!!The shear amount of titles,shows you that PSX rules!!DREAMCAST ha ha.you being emu people should know about REVERSE compatiblity etc. where is it in the SEGA'S, I know SONY is not the favorites among the EMU scene, but tell me about it when I have my new PSX 2 playing 700+ games upon release and you NINTENDO and SEGA people are playing your handfull of games eg.(nintendo64)that are offered. And besides I tried the DREAMCAST and I don't feel the graphics etc. are really that good, unless your talking a system that will only last a couple of years, to be erased by another.eg(genesis-cd-32x-saturn-dreamcast-more SEGA BULLSHIT!!!)

Maybe you'd notice that PSX has been around for SEVERAL YEARS LONGER than the DC?
Maybe you'd realize that they won't $!@#ing bring out as many titles at start as they brought out in several years on the psx.

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 Name: ChrisM Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (0:37)
Subject: quantity != quality
From: aca3d4fd.ipt.aol.com
Sheer quantity does not always mean great things. I'm not into the whole console thing anymore, but I still have my N64 and a friend of mine in high school had a psx. I always thought that n64 games, although there were fewer, they were better overall (yes, there are exceptions). But that's just my $.02. (For the record, original arcade games are the best! I love jamma =)

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 Name: nevarre Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (0:27)
Subject: Re: dreamcast
From: aca3d4fd.ipt.aol.com
whoa!! the psux had 700+ games at launch? then 5 years later they should have a hell of a lot more right? whassat? Oh.. you mean they still don't have 700? hmmmm

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 Name: Dorsola Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (4:38)
Subject: Re: Re: dreamcast
From: aca3d4fd.ipt.aol.com
>whoa!! the psux had 700+ games at launch? then
>5 years later they should have a hell of a lot
>more right? whassat? Oh.. you mean they still
>don't have 700? hmmmm

I think what he meant was that when the PSX2 comes out, it will have a combined base of new titles and older PSX1 games comprising over 700 total titles. He didn't mean that the exisitng PSX had 700 games to begin with.

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 Name: Plumb Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (0:09)
Subject: Re: dreamcast
From: aca3d4fd.ipt.aol.com
What drugs have you been overdosing on anyway? The PSX backward compatability is far overrated and when this has been done on previous consoles, it has faded fast as a selling point.

Besides, if you aren't playing DC games, you are missing out on some of the best and most playable titles ever seen to date in a production console. Soul Calibur alone is worth the price of admission.

I own a PSX and the games on it look sad in comparison. Sure I could wait a YEAR for the overpriced PSX2 to come out, and not play any worthwhile new titles.. But why would I want to do this? I could also not go to any sports events, movies, or concerts for a year; but what good would that do for me? I say, by your DC now and play all the ool titles on it and then by whatever you choose when the new Sony and Nintendo systems come out. By then we'll know the specs on the DC2 and it will put those to shame. I'll just keep upgrading to the next best systems... You can sit and home and play Go Fish.

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Name: postamessage Posted: Wednesday, November 17, 1999 - (22:50)
Subject: Ack I spelled guess with a Q. DOH!
From: aca3d4fd.ipt.aol.com
nt

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Name: postamessage Posted: Wednesday, November 17, 1999 - (22:45)
Subject: Let me quess
From: aca3d4fd.ipt.aol.com
This is for a very classic game, so don't get too excited if you were thinking about some 16-bit graphics, 3D Sound or any of that cool stuff. This is very much a classic game that many, many people have requested.
It's Pole Position.
Well I hope its Pole Postion.
Whats 3d sound?

I hope this message isn't empty :(

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 Name: Posted: Wednesday, November 17, 1999 - (23:15)
Subject: another quess
From: aca3d4fd.ipt.aol.com
Pong?
This game is a real classic.
I saw the poll at the official MAME site
but pong doesn't use roms. I hope its not 2-player only like the pong system I had as a kid.
Tell me if I'm close JoseQ and I will click on your ad banners.

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 Name: Mameham Posted: Thursday, November 18, 1999 - (0:48)
Subject: Re: another quess
From: aca3d4fd.ipt.aol.com
>Pong?
>This game is a real classic.
>I saw the poll at the official MAME site
>but pong doesn't use roms. I hope its not 2-player only like the pong system I had as a kid.
>Tell me if I'm close JoseQ and I will click on your ad banners.
>

Yeah, cool, tell me if I'm close too and I'll send you some el33t romZ dood!

Bleh. 1) Like he'll ever tell you. 2) Like the 20 cents (maybe!) he'll get for you clicking on the banner is worth losing his crediblity. 3) You should click on the banners anyway - ass.

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