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HiVE 1.04 Released! - December 09,1999 by JoseQ
Larry Bank has released a new version of HiVE.You can download version 1.04 from the Emulator Download Page. There are 7 new games supported! They are: "Arkanoid", "Scramble", "Amidar", "Pooyan", "Frogger", Time Pilot" and "Metro Cross", all in optimized form,working in Windows. There's preliminary mouse supportfor paddle games, and other things that are available inthe documentation (as well as the latest Rumor Mill).The ROMs for this new release are available on the HiVE ROMs Lite Page!Enjoy!

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Name: James Posted: Saturday, December 11, 1999 - (15:40)
Subject: MAME and Starscream
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One thing I forgot: the reason MAME doesn't use Starscream is that Starscream was not open-source until recently, so the MAME team coded their own 68K ASM core.
Any problems with the 68K games in MAME probably don't have anything to do with the core; more likely, it's the overhead in the sound and/or graphics routines as they're written in C, not ASM.

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Name: init_2.win Posted: Saturday, December 11, 1999 - (22:22)
Subject: gee yer smart
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who cares? starscream wasnt public source when raine started using it. mame could've gotten permission. they could use it now too. btw, i read your below post, quiet lame..... the topic was hive, and how i would like to see 68000 games in it. thats all. doesnt mean im flaming the MAME team, although you must think so for calling me an idiot, and "you should write your own emu" lame. all i said is i would like to see Hive tackle these games. are you that $!@#ing sensitive?

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Name: Camper Posted: Saturday, December 11, 1999 - (9:44)
Subject: Rom Links, Comments
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Rom links for the new Hive games such as Arkanoid don't work. The older ones do.

Larry, I think Hive is great! Hope you keep updating it.

Camper

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Name: EDGAR Posted: Friday, December 10, 1999 - (11:44)
Subject: Are you INsane!
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What your definition of "running games perfectly"? When people want to play classic games, usually speed a key factor. I mean come one, how can you say that Mk is "perfectly" emulated when on a p350 goes up to 15fps!!? Yupee now that's fun right? Playing a 60 min. round fighting game in two minutes! HiVE is a VERY good alternative for those that want classic games and Full Speed. All the games run at FUll Speed on HiVE unlike M.A.M.E's Namco drivers. NO sh!t they run on a p 166 BUT not all run at FULL SPEED such as HiVE. Yes I own a slow pc so that's why this applies to me. It's like looking at the back of a pc game and looking at the minimum requirements. OF COURSE it'll play BUT it won't run at 75 fps! Define yourself moron!

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Name: init_2.win Posted: Friday, December 10, 1999 - (6:28)
Subject: about my post
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Well, i certainly didnt mean to use the word "obsolete" in a bad way. I dont think its a bad word. Lets face it, mame is the most well known emu aroumd for the older games and the average user is running a new computer. Thats all i meant by obsolete. Actually if you guys rememeber the old atmospherical heights, or maybe it was node99.... they had a section called "obsolete emus".... and thats where my mind ws when i made he comment. In that old page, they were quite matter of fact about why such and such was obsolete becasue of whatever reason. It wasnt meant as a bash at all as some1 said! Anyway, i was merely stating i feel for you Larry because mame gets all the attention. and only the true blue emu fans like myself will try it. I wouldnt express my concern unless i had respect for ya. And btw, i take it back, as Hive can do savestates. And i agree about new games being a lot of flash and less gameplay overall. But there are plenty of slightly more advanced classic games that would really benufut from Hive. Some are done nicely by raine, but i'd like to try rastan on hive someday. hehe. Oh, and Larry, i bet i like YOUR WAY just fine. It probably is more user friendly than mame. Dont feel i dont appreciatte hive, i just havent used it because the games run well in mame. I remember a long while ago here at emuviews when Jose reported on Hive and linked to your site. I rememebr reading you lived in Tampa once or its your home? I live in Tampa, and i hope my memory is correct on this. Anyway i thought that was neat, and my original post was merely saying "great technical feat - too bad mame steals the show, eh?" anyways, i hope a lot of people, epsecially with slow cpus really appreciatte Hive, and write you some nice emails. And if you read this antiriad, ADD some of those once supported games again! Can i say xdragon is obsolete? hehe.

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Name: Dave Ewing Posted: Friday, December 10, 1999 - (4:11)
Subject: Roll on the weekend !!
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Hey Larry,

Great to see HiVE again... I can't wait to get home tonight and try it. Ignore the few who say that HiVE is obsolete. Thats crap. HiVE is one of the most technically accomplished emulators out there. So what if MAME does them ?? Emulators like HiVE (and retrocade!) do them better. Keep up the great work.

Regards,
Dave.

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Name: Mike A Posted: Friday, December 10, 1999 - (1:17)
Subject: Hey Larry..
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Hey Larry,

I am majoring in computers, and am curious if creating an emu is difficult.

Is it repetive (meaning the coding)
and so on

Thanks in advance

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Name: Posted: Friday, December 10, 1999 - (9:25)
Subject: Re: Hey Larry..
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>Hey Larry,

>

>I am majoring in computers, and am curious if creating an emu is difficult.

Mike - an emu takes a lot of time - hundreds to thousands of hours. Many parts of it must be absolutely perfect such as CPU emulation. A nearly perfect CPU emulator is no good. It is repetitive since most video games are just variations of the same basic hardware, but it is satisfying to see it work correctly.
>

>Is it repetive (meaning the coding)

>and so on

>

>Thanks in advance

>

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Name: Dash Calhoun Posted: Friday, December 10, 1999 - (1:12)
Subject: MAME STUFF!
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regarding init's comments,i don't wanna rag on m.a.m.e.,but any excuse not to use it(callus,raine,neorage)is a good one. i think i'll check hive out.

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Name: David Posted: Thursday, December 9, 1999 - (23:11)
Subject: Don't Bash HIVE!
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HIVE is a great EMU.SAVE/LOAD is a great plus for any emu. Not to mention the *SPEED*. I personally love the old games. NEO-GEO and other games just don't have it. Not to mention running arcade games on a laptop. To Larry I would like to say thanks for all the hard work! To detractors: Untill you try and write your own emu you have no right to complain.

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Name: Larry Bank Posted: Thursday, December 9, 1999 - (22:58)
Subject: HiVE Obsolete?
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I'm sorry that you feel that HiVE is obsolete. I enjoy writing it for my own sake because I like to use my code to play my favorite games. Also, MAME still does not have the save/load game feature which I find quite useful. Performance is still an issue for some. Multi-CPU and scrolling games still run too slowly on MAME - compare Gaplus or Metro Cross and you'll see what I mean. I used to have a P133 laptop with a TFT display which was perfect for taking arcade games on the road. I would probably have more interest in writing a 68K emulator if there were decent games which required it. The NeoGeo stuff just doesn't interest me (I guess that shows my age) and many of the other 68K games just plain suck. I guess I've come to the end of the road for some, but I still intend to emulate my top 100 games and I'll do it MY WAY.

L.B.

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Name: Smoke Jaguar Posted: Friday, December 10, 1999 - (0:06)
Subject: Re: HiVE Obsolete?
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Larry, you rule!!!
Just when I thought HiVE became the next great emu to be abandoned (anybody remember that awesome atari vector emu?) you spring this on us just before the holidays. HiVE has given new life to my 486 laptop, yet it's so good I also use it on my pIII. I have to agree with you, most of the 68000 games are long on looks but short on *fun*. Now that it includes 53 of your "top 100 games", any hints on the remaining 47?

>I'm sorry that you feel that HiVE is obsolete. I enjoy writing it for my own sake because I like to use my code to play my favorite games. Also, MAME still does not have the save/load game feature which I find quite useful. Performance is still an issue for some. Multi-CPU and scrolling games still run too slowly on MAME - compare Gaplus or Metro Cross and you'll see what I mean. I used to have a P133 laptop with a TFT display which was perfect for taking arcade games on the road. I would probably have more interest in writing a 68K emulator if there were decent games which required it. The NeoGeo stuff just doesn't interest me (I guess that shows my age) and many of the other 68K games just plain suck. I guess I've come to the end of the road for some, but I still intend to emulate my top 100 games and I'll do it MY WAY.

>

>L.B.

>

>

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Name: Larry Bank Posted: Friday, December 10, 1999 - (0:36)
Subject: Re: Re: HiVE Obsolete?
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Well Smoke,
Thanks for the praise - it's good to see someone else feels that way. As far as the other 47 games, some that I intend to do shortly include:

Astro Blaster, Moon Patrol, Tron, Super Qix, Tapper, PacMania, Galaga '88, Spy Hunter, Phoenix, Qbert, Bubble Bobble, Nibbler, Joust II, Missile Command, Centipede, Millipede, Marble Madness, Crazy Climber, Berzerk, Zaxxon...

Not necessarily in that order.

These are the ones I can think of at the moment. What holds me back are lack of time and the need to emulate various complicated sound chips and the 8086, 8035 & 68K CPUs. I just added AY8910 support, so I will add all of my favorite games which use this sound chip.

Keep suggestions coming and any new ideas for code corner articles.

Larry B.

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Name: init_2.win Posted: Thursday, December 9, 1999 - (22:29)
Subject: oh, not a lot...
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Man its too bad Hive is obsolete. All of the supported games already run perfectly in MAME on a p166. i suppose JoseQ, that your dad will appreciatte Hive, but i am sad that so few ppl will find this emu usefull. I hope the author starts emulating more demanding games that would benefit from hive's speed. All the 68000 games run pretty poorly under mame on my system. speaking of which, why doesnt mame use starscream? perhaps its not accurate enough? While im off the subject of hive: isnt it funny how raine removes games from its supported game list while mame is always assimilating other emu's supported games? For instance, raine stopped supporting chelnov, atomic runner when mame emulated it, but mame is in the process of assimilating raine's games. Different philosophies i guess.

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Name: James Posted: Saturday, December 11, 1999 - (15:34)
Subject: Re: oh, not a lot...
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>Man its too bad Hive is obsolete. All of the supported games already run perfectly in MAME on a p166. i suppose JoseQ, that your dad will appreciatte Hive, but i am sad that so few ppl will find this emu usefull. I hope the author starts emulating more demanding games that would benefit from hive's speed. All the 68000 games run pretty poorly under mame on my system. speaking of which, why doesnt mame use starscream? perhaps its not accurate enough? While im off the subject of hive: isnt it funny how raine removes games from its supported game list while mame is always assimilating other emu's supported games? For instance, raine stopped supporting chelnov, atomic runner when mame emulated it, but mame is in the process of assimilating raine's games. Different philosophies i guess.

Hey idiot,

You have three choices:

1. Shut up and wait for someone to emulate your favourite 68k arcade games at high speeds.
2. Take the information gathered from MAME (a *DOCUMENTATION* project) and write one yourself.
3. Go buy a new machine. MAME runs all the 68k games just fine on my machine, which can be purchased for < $1000.

Until YOU can produce a "better" emulator yourself, quit complaining about the fine work of an individual who wants to emulate arcade games HIS way *AND* is kind enough to share his hard work with the public AT NO CHARGE. If you don't like it, don't use it.


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Name: init_2.win Posted: Saturday, December 11, 1999 - (22:18)
Subject: Re: Re: oh, not a lot...
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Oh, go $!@# yourself man. Instead of complaining about my comments, why dont you spenf the time in a productive way and go thank the emu author personally. Criticizing me does the ppl you should thank no good. And as far as my level of respect i have for a particular author - its none of your business although i have the utmost respect. I really like lamers like you that think by flaming me, your worth a damn. your not. I said nothing negative about anyone... I simply said the mame 68000 games run slow. I am merely suffesting these games added to Hive would be a nice idea. Its just a $!@#ing statement of fact, so blow me. My opinions dont warrant your reply, as theres nothing wrong with having an opinion. Howvwer, for you to "express yor opinion ABOUT MY OPINION" is llama- rific. Anything else you need to say - llama?

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Name: Antiriad Posted: Friday, December 10, 1999 - (5:41)
Subject: off the subject...
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>Man its too bad Hive is obsolete. All of the supported games already run perfectly in MAME on a p166. i suppose JoseQ, that your dad will appreciatte Hive, but i am sad that so few ppl will find this emu usefull. I hope the author starts emulating more demanding games that would benefit from hive's speed. All the 68000 games run pretty poorly under mame on my system. speaking of which, why doesnt mame use starscream? perhaps its not accurate enough? While im off the subject of hive: isnt it funny how raine removes games from its supported game list while mame is always assimilating other emu's supported games? For instance, raine stopped supporting chelnov, atomic runner when mame emulated it, but mame is in the process of assimilating raine's games. Different philosophies i guess.

>

i think i stopped supporting data east games when xdragon came out... at the time, there were so many good games to emulate, and I'm always looking for unemulated games to work on - much more fun :).



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