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The Last of Raine? Comments... - January 24,2000 by JoseQ
Many users are speculating about the latest release of Raine, oneof the best emulators out there. Opinions range from itbeing included into MAME to the 'F' in the version numbersignaling it being the final release. The truth is thatthere's no official sign stating that it would be the endof this legendary emulator, although many things do pointto it coming to an end.
Many, if not all the people involved in emulation, knowthat it is a humongous task to keep updating an emulator,and adding support, fixing problematic issues, and let alonelive a life while you're doing that. For an emulator the size of Raine, being worked on almost single-handedly bythe mighty Richard Bush, the task has to be incrediblystressful. Having acquired a full time job recently, Richardhas found it even more demanding to work on his emulator,since he must deal with a lot more responsibilities.
As we all know, there's no profit working in emulators,and life duties must take priority. However, Raine is quitea bit famous and I must say it holds a special place ineveryone's hearts, including mine. Begging for it's continued support would be the minimal effort we could do.I for one do not like to think about an emulation scenewithout the Raine emulator, and would prefer for it tocontinue forever.
I'm willing to bet that there might be future releases,after a long and deserved break by Richard from the wholedeal. But I would imagine that even more so than ours, Richard Bush's heart holds an even more special place forhis baby, Raine. Best thing we can do is pray that it isn'tso and that he indeed plans to continue working on it insome form or another, and be patient until he eventuallymakes an announcement of some kind. We shouldn't be jumpinginto conclusions. And here's my begging:

"Richard, for the love of God, don't stop Raine, please!"

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Name: Mike Posted: Thursday, January 27, 2000 - (1:48)
Subject: Help i cant find this game anywhere.
From:
Hey ive been lookin for this taito rom "Pyros" and cant find it anywhere ive looked at EmuView and the link there is broken.Any help will be appreciated.
Mike

GO BUCS!

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Name: Squirrel Posted: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 - (23:54)
Subject: Seeya
From:
Sad to see raine go, but thanks Richard for all the cool relived memories with one of the slickest, most effective and effortlessly cool emulators around...
Thanks for emulating these old classics..
Rastan Saga
Chase HQ (yeeeah)
Rainbow Islands
SPACE GUN!!!
and for bringing all those unplayed wonders!!! (especially the weird puzzlers and the cool j-shooters!)

Also i was super-impressed by the speed increases raine achived over time... i have a p133 and the older it gets, the less effectively progs work on it... not so with raine, which just got better and better... it had my p133 doing things i would not have believed possible when i bought it!!! (this is also true of Callus and NeoRagex, two other superb achievments)...
OK... thanks again!!!

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Name: ANdrew Gow Posted: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 - (18:46)
Subject: Thanx and Good Luck
From:
I have always taken the opinion that if an emu author wants to end his/her "public" emulation career, than it's his/her decision.. and that begging for a return is not the "right"" thing to do... that being said however...
Richard you have given so many of us (see below and no doubt above for proof) soo many great experiences, and to have that end is sad. If it is at all possible it'd be great to see a return of the Raine. (perhaps we should be doing the Raine dance instead?!? :) )

To be honest, I alway hoped F3 sound would be emulated by Raine first... perhaps this will never happen.. perhaps it will.. but the fact remains that Raine is the only Emu capable of emulating the great F3... so I am more than happy with what I have been given.

I love the Taito Puzzlers and there seem to alway be new ones each release. I will miss these the most I think... So again thanx Richard for what you have given us... and if you get the opportunity... we'd gratefully accept any more you can give... but hey it's your call...

ANdrew

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Name: Grendal74 Posted: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 - (16:26)
Subject: about raine
From:
Just add a few categories in Mame like Neogeo..

* callus, system16, raine etc *

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Name: Master of Desaster Posted: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 - (15:49)
Subject: raine dead ???
From:
thks a lot richard,

thks for letting me play wrestlefest
(where i actually spent approx. 500$
on the machine)
thats all i ever wanted

(also thks to the guy who found the
cheat to play L.O.D.)


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Name: abigail ichikawa Posted: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 - (15:11)
Subject: not with a bang..
From:
firstly, cheers richard...
your time/energy has given a lot of people a lot of pleasure
and from someone who spent 3 yrs working for namco.. a chance to
share the memories of games played after work with
my children to come, when i emigrate to hokkaido, japan
from london..

like everyone, i hope one day you will return to raine
afresh..as raine was the easiest/bug free emu i have ever
had the pleasure to use..and supported games that both me
and my wife like to play..

oh, yeh, she just wishes it would play xevious and twinbee!
(she grew up on them and likes your frontend :) )

anyhow..take care of yourself, and thanks for what you have
shared with us all..if you ever come to london (or japan
in 3 years) let us know, theres a big japanese meal, ice cold
beer waiting..

-abigail

kotatsuneko@hotmail.com

also, once again, thanks to jose q..

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Name: Mike Hoffmann Posted: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 - (11:59)
Subject: Thank you very much, Richard
From:
Itīs a bit sad, that one of the biggest and best emus should come to an end now, but if it is Richard Bushīs decision, then shall it be.
It is(was a masterpiece of emulation and will be honored by me for a long rime.
Farewell Mr. Bush, thank you and perhaps some day (in the not so far future) you come back with a new masterpiece (maybe RAINE 29.a??)

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Name: diskoboy Posted: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 - (10:42)
Subject: NOO!!
From:
Sad to see RAINE go, if it's true. It's the only emu that will play good games at almost full speed on my p166. And damn, how I wanted to see BATTLESHARK emulated.

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Name: Brian Jones Posted: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 - (5:36)
Subject: Come Back Raine
From:
Naaaaaaaah this is not the end of Raine..no,no,no.
Come back Raine....come back and fix all
the $!@#ing bugs in your games!!
Why donīt fix Operation Thunderbolt end screen?
Why donīt fix Operation Wolf voices?
O.K. thatīs all
Callus forever!
sign:
Brian Jones the most beautiful of the Rolling Stones

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Name: LH Posted: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 - (2:50)
Subject:
From:
I would just like to thank the Raine&RAINE dev team.
Best of luck.



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Name: nekoman Posted: Monday, January 24, 2000 - (23:42)
Subject: !!!...
From:
all I have to say...
thanks and good luck!

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Name: kulo Posted: Monday, January 24, 2000 - (21:12)
Subject: Only the good die young
From:
Raine never dead !!!

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Name: Kyron Posted: Monday, January 24, 2000 - (18:09)
Subject: say THANK YOU not GOODBYE!
From:
remember callus, rage or the m72 emu? all these emu projects gave great impacts and inputs to the emu scene and all are down. what i wanna say is: life will go on and the emu scene will still progress even without such greats like sardu, nao or antirad. new programm(er)s will rise for sure and impress us with their skills. like callus raine will be a monumental milestone in emulation history maybe with lesser updates or even down. in these days almost all titles that callus, rage/m72emu and the system16 covers are available in mame and they are quite playable in mame - maybe not a p166 - but a p166 is definite not the state of the art for today.
i think some users shall rethink their behaviour vis-á-vis emu authors. i read so much sh!t in so called "emu scene" chats or threads last time it makes me wonder that some authors still continue their hard work. user moaning and begging around like "why does your lame emu X not support sound in my favourite game Y" or "why canīt i play my favourite game X not on my 486 66MHz" and so on. why some (read: a lot of) people can never be satified with that what they have (for free!!!) and why can emu users not be patient and wait till things grow up? what the scene really needs is a lot more respect and patience. enjoy what you have until you wait for things to come. treat authors and site ops and their work with a lot more respect. show you favourite author your respect and your thakfulness not only when he wants to quit. crying when he left the building is much too late! thankfulness is not only the use of some superlatives in your posts - but some kind words from time to time is probably the only thing we can do for them.
so stop moaning around and say more often just "Thak you" even when your favourite game have no sound or it plays too slow for you.

sorry for typos and bad english - isnīt my native tongue and i never had it in school but i hope you guess what i wanna say.

regards

P.S.: My Thanks goes to JoseQ for runnig one of my favourite sites and to Antirad for Raine!

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Name: Ander Posted: Monday, January 24, 2000 - (17:16)
Subject: RAINE
From:
Yes indeed, creating and maintaining an emulator (not to mention one of RAINE's size) is a huge task. Maybe Richard just needs to take a break and regain some enthusiasm. I'm guessing he'll return to it eventually, though--it's just too passionate a thing to stay away from permanently. :?)
And now, will someone please fill me in on what "missing games" are?

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Name: FRM Posted: Monday, January 24, 2000 - (17:12)
Subject: sources
From:
i've been with raine since 0.4 or so, when the only thing you could get was a non working rainbow islands...i only wish if the end has really came, that source will be available to continue the project, whether in mame or as stand alone...which for sure is better...

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Name: Ralph Posted: Monday, January 24, 2000 - (16:46)
Subject: Windows port
From:
RAINE doesn't operate in Windows 2000, I wish there was a Windows port. DOS eats.

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 Name: Dale Posted: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 - (4:31)
Subject: Re: Windows port
From:
>RAINE doesn't operate in Windows 2000, I wish there was a Windows port. DOS eats.

>I have RAINE running fine under W2000. It works the same as it does under NT 4.0 - FINE!!!

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 Name: G Posted: Monday, January 24, 2000 - (18:00)
Subject: Re: Windows port
From:
>RAINE doesn't operate in Windows 2000, I wish there was a Windows port. DOS eats.

But it looks like here it's Windows 2000 that eats.

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Name: Marc Posted: Monday, January 24, 2000 - (16:39)
Subject: and a reason why Mame would benifit from Raine
From:
There are a couple of reasons why Raine games might be incorporated into the Mame-borg.
1) settings - I always had trouble getting the right setting for my screen (w/scanlines) in Raine, but having not seen any comments like mine, I might be on my own here
2) GUI - this applies to the Mac and Windows versions obviously :-) Very consistent.
3) Mac support (and Linux, Kodak Digital camera :-)

But then again, if Mamedev is already up to their necks with the 1900+ Mame roms, then it might never happen.

Marc

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Name: Marcello Bonci Posted: Monday, January 24, 2000 - (16:26)
Subject: For Antiriad
From:
"Richard, for the love of God, don't stop Raine, please!"

PLEAAASEEEEEEE!!!!!!!


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Name: _Spekkio_ Posted: Monday, January 24, 2000 - (15:31)
Subject: Not "goodbye", just "see ya later" :)
From:
Being a shoother nut, the news of Raine is like a knife through my heart.

When zsnes .800 came out, zsKnight was like "This will be the last version to come out with my input for a long time." About six months later, another version came out. I don't consider Raine to be "DEAD", just "ON VACATION". Richard just doens't have the time to handle it right now, but who knows what'll happen in the future. But all that aside, adding support for Raine's games in MAME would be nice to see, even if the F3 games were dead slow.

Look at Fl Grand Prix, it doesn't even run full speed on any PC out there, and prolly won't eve, if a 1,000 Mhz PIII came out, but it's there anyway, cuz the main focus of MAME isn't to play the games fast, only to archive how they work, and if they dont play fast enough, well tough cookies.

I wish Richard Bush, and everyone at the raine team the best of luck.

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 Name: sixtoe Posted: Monday, January 24, 2000 - (16:04)
Subject: just a note
From:
grand prix works fine on my p3 500, just put the frame skip to 5 or 6 and it works flat out, nobody ever said any emulator was perfect.


>Being a shoother nut, the news of Raine is like a knife through my heart.

>

>When zsnes .800 came out, zsKnight was like "This will be the last version to come out with my input for a long time." About six months later, another version came out. I don't consider Raine to be "DEAD", just "ON VACATION". Richard just doens't have the time to handle it right now, but who knows what'll happen in the future. But all that aside, adding support for Raine's games in MAME would be nice to see, even if the F3 games were dead slow.

>

>Look at Fl Grand Prix, it doesn't even run full speed on any PC out there, and prolly won't eve, if a 1,000 Mhz PIII came out, but it's there anyway, cuz the main focus of MAME isn't to play the games fast, only to archive how they work, and if they dont play fast enough, well tough cookies.

>

>I wish Richard Bush, and everyone at the raine team the best of luck.

>

>

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Name: Mustaine Posted: Monday, January 24, 2000 - (14:55)
Subject: RAINE source to MAME?
From:
i dont't want this, because mame is very slow, why Richard don't let somebody to continue the proyect?
If so, instead of incorporate the source in Mame, a good idea would be that part of the Mame team, give a hand to the rest of Raine team./

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 Name: Posted: Monday, January 24, 2000 - (15:53)
Subject: Re: RAINE source to MAME?
From:
>i dont't want this, because MAME is very slow

..and runs on computers which Raine will never run on,
has a much larger base of people to continue development,
and has a larger group of people looking for new rom sets
because it is available in source form.

But, I guess people don't like the MAME developer's
'unprofessional attitude' as someone on the Raine
board posted (no, they aren't going to add your favorite
feature, live with it..)





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Name: sixtoe Posted: Monday, January 24, 2000 - (14:40)
Subject: Good luck
From:
I know how it feels when you have so much work to do that you hobbys seem to take a back seat for a while, but then I discovered the marvels of the night shift, when instead of sitting around twiddling your thumbs you can get on with some much more interesting stuff!, just dont let the company find out!!

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Name: Damon Brown Posted: Monday, January 24, 2000 - (13:21)
Subject: Great job
From:
Richard, we all appreciate your work on RAINE. We all would like it to go on forever, but life waits for no one. Do your thing, and if that means stopping RAINE, remember that you have left an incredible legacy. Best of luck.

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Name: st-ang Posted: Monday, January 24, 2000 - (11:14)
Subject: Be grateful
From:
I believe that we should be thankfull to people such as the Raine dev.team and let them decide on their own what should really happen. The only thing they have to know is that their work is appreciated and many many people are thanking them for their efforts.
Best luck

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Name: anticupid Posted: Monday, January 24, 2000 - (9:54)
Subject: Thanks Raine Dev
From:
I would just like to thank the Raine dev team, espically Richard Bush.

I think the best way we could all honour and repesect them is to not go out and beg for roms, given time I am sure they will all surface.

ac.

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Name: K Posted: Monday, January 24, 2000 - (9:26)
Subject:
From:
its sad that Richard does not have time any more. Maybe it would help to go the mame route and release the source for everyone to work on and take some of the pressure off.
Whaddya think JoseQ?

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 Name: JoseQ Posted: Monday, January 24, 2000 - (10:26)
Subject: Re:
From:
I'm not sure that would accomplish a lot. As you may know, the System16 code was released, and it seems nobody even paid attention to it. =( I would assume similar things would happen to Raine.

Speed benefits from Raine would be lost on MAME because of special optimizations Raine can make that MAME cannot since they need to keep such a high compatibility rate.

And of course, the GUI would be lost. =(

JoseQ

>its sad that Richard does not have time any more. Maybe it would help to go the mame route and release the source for everyone to work on and take some of the pressure off.

>Whaddya think JoseQ?

>

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 Name: Jon Posted: Monday, January 24, 2000 - (10:41)
Subject: Re: Re:
From:
> As you may know, the System16 code was released, and it seems nobody even paid attention to it. =( I would assume similar things would happen to Raine.


I don't agree with that. After system16 source was released
mame immediately added support for hangon, space harrier,
outrun, and super hangon. So I think mame would benefit
from raine releasing the source but I do get shivers
thinking about how f3 would run on mame.


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 Name: phil Posted: Monday, January 24, 2000 - (11:30)
Subject: Re: Re: Re:
From:
>I don't agree with that. After system16 source was released

>mame immediately added support for hangon, space harrier,

>outrun, and super hangon. So I think mame would benefit

>from raine releasing the source

System16 source code was available to MAME developers for a long time before Theirry decided to release it publically. The same is true of Richard Bush. He's always been willing to share information and even source code to folks on MAME team. The only thing slowing down MAME from incorporating these games is time constraints and priorities of developers.

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Name: SS Posted: Monday, January 24, 2000 - (9:19)
Subject: end of an era...
From:
I can't say that I didn't see this comming; all of the signs have been pointing in this dirrection for a while now.

I, fo one, am going to take the position of being eternally gratefull for all of the hard work that Antirad has put into this great peice of programming. Sure, I'd like to see it continue indefinately, but in reality that can't happen. It would be super to see the occasional surprise update, but I fully support the decision to end RAINE as an 'active' emulator. I will simply continue to use and enjoy what we have been blessed with thus far.

Thanks ever so much, Richard, and best wishes in everything that life throws at you in the 'post-RAINE' era. You are tops in my book.

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Name: Dj Posted: Monday, January 24, 2000 - (6:20)
Subject: Raine Status
From:
I was talking with Richard tonight and I asked him if Raine0.28f was final.
And he said, "raine is on hold for a while... :(" I said why has something come up? his reply "yeah lack of time :(" So in otherwords I'd imagine we will see future updates just not for a while... Wooohoo!

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 Name: _Spekkio_ Posted: Monday, January 24, 2000 - (15:28)
Subject: Re: Raine Status
From:
Being a shoother nut, the news of Raine is like a knife through my heart.

When zsnes .800 came out, zsKnight was like "This will be the last version to come out with my input for a long time." About six months later, another version came out. I don't consider Raine to be "DEAD", just "ON VACATION". Richard just doens't have the time to handle it right now, but who knows what'll happen in the future. But all that aside, adding support for Raine's games in MAME would be nice to see, even if the F3 games were dead slow.

Look at Fl Grand Prix, it doesn't even run full speed on any PC out there, and prolly won't eve, if a 1,000 Mhz PIII came out, but it's there anyway, cuz the main focus of MAME isn't to play the games fast, only to archive how they work, and if they dont play fast enough, well tough cookies.

I wish Richard Bush, and everyone at the raine team the best of luck.

>I was talking with Richard tonight and I asked him if Raine0.28f was final.

>And he said, "raine is on hold for a while... :(" I said why has something come up? his reply "yeah lack of time :(" So in otherwords I'd imagine we will see future updates just not for a while... Wooohoo!

>

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Name: Kyron Posted: Monday, January 24, 2000 - (3:58)
Subject: ...the rain is falling down
From:
aarrghhh....hey, stop crying itīs just a piece of code, an excellent work from richard bush for sure. maybe heīs tired about all this lamers begginī and moaninī around. life goes on with or without raine. did you really think richard bush do continue raine all of his life long. wake up & get real.

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Name: Escapist Posted: Monday, January 24, 2000 - (3:36)
Subject: Raine fall?
From:
To see such a cool emulator byte the big one would be such a travesty. Hey RB, take your time, your life is obviously more important than an emulator- but don't stop now. Taito and co. has such a great catalog of games, and alot would've been forgotten if not for your selfless efforts. But if it ends, it ends. Do whatcha gotta do...

Regardless, thank you for the childhood/teenhood memories your emulator has brought back.

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Name: Raine !@#$in Fan Posted: Monday, January 24, 2000 - (2:27)
Subject: I love Rain and I'm Gonna Die
From:
I'm dead. I love Raine!
Please, Raine, take a rest but don't die. Please!

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 Name: dusk Posted: Monday, January 24, 2000 - (2:38)
Subject: We love Raine too,And we gonna die ALL!!
From:

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Name: Arcade Lover Posted: Monday, January 24, 2000 - (1:59)
Subject:
From:
RAINE is doubtlessly the best emulator I have yet encountered. Sure, MAME emulates as many games as Christ has had birthdays, and RAINE emulates less than 10% of this, but RAINE emulates its games BETTER. What is MAME written in, anyway? VisualBASIC?!? I still sit at an old Pentium 166 at work, and no MAME game post-1985 runs at full speed. Everything RAINE has done runs slick, spicy, and beautiful. And to find out that RAINE has been done largely by one man!!! Thank God this Antiriad (Richard Bush) isn't writing viruses! If he had been, y2k WOULD have been the end of the world. Surely he deserves a rest. Take all the time you desire, Mr. Bush. With RAINE you have already accomplished something great.

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 Name: [] Posted: Monday, January 24, 2000 - (10:45)
Subject: Lamerfest
From:
It's really nice to see your respect for the MAME Team.

People like you kill emulators.

>RAINE is doubtlessly the best emulator I have yet encountered. Sure, MAME emulates as many games as Christ has had birthdays, and RAINE emulates less than 10% of this, but RAINE emulates its games BETTER. What is MAME written in, anyway? VisualBASIC?!? I still sit at an old Pentium 166 at work, and no MAME game post-1985 runs at full speed. Everything RAINE has done runs slick, spicy, and beautiful. And to find out that RAINE has been done largely by one man!!! Thank God this Antiriad (Richard Bush) isn't writing viruses! If he had been, y2k WOULD have been the end of the world. Surely he deserves a rest. Take all the time you desire, Mr. Bush. With RAINE you have already accomplished something great.

>

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Name: Living Suede Posted: Monday, January 24, 2000 - (1:52)
Subject: Raine's Possible End
From:
Raine was the first arcade emulator I ever used and definetely holds a special place in my heart. I remember reading the readmes that said Raine was more of an experiment that a full fledged emulator. But now it has grown into one of the greatest emulators in all of emulation. From Wrestlezone to Daruis Gaiden its play great games, with great gfx, sound, and a great GUI. It would be a shame for Richard Bush to quit Raine. So please Richard, don't quit, the emu scene needs Raine.

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Name: ThumB Posted: Monday, January 24, 2000 - (1:48)
Subject: Hmm....
From:
Strage {or not} I find myself the first to comment on this. I too would HATE to see this EMU go. But Alas...To give my 2cents, It seems strange that there was huge list of "missing" games in the last release. I myself have compiled and found a few that indeed work as Mr. JQ knows. I at least hope that we will see as many games in the so called "missing" script as we may. Dear God Man, I'm a Networker not a compiler/Beta tester Jim! That is all, Engage! Also, why the hell am I even awake to see this?

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