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Windows 2000 and Emulation? - February 17,2000 by JoseQ
If you're wondering about how Windows 2000 stacks up in terms of emulator performance, then Power Emulation has created a great chart detailing which ones work (and with what caveats) and which ones don't work at all. While the list isquite extensive, I've heard good things about Windows 2000, specially about it being great to develop on. Some DOS developers might or should consider it for their nextplatform of choice. I do have it at home and I must say I'mquite happy with it. It feels solid, and the games I've tried (Unreal Tournament, C&C Tiberian Sun, MAME32, Quake 2) run flawlessly on my machine now. With the official Windows 2000 release today, drivers should start to becomeeasier to find (manufacturers weren't allowed to issue any drivers until today), so everything should start to fall into place soon. Check out the chart to see how your favorite emulator stacks up. Thanks to Retrogames for the news.

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Name: NemoProd Team Posted: Friday, February 18, 2000 - (17:30)
Subject: Thanks All !
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I would like to thanks everyone who send us a mail. We will try to answer everyone but it's really difficult.
I've read all the comments and what I can say is ... wait for the next version (0.8) next week !

Don't forget the creator of the list is Captain Nemo of the NemoProd Team. Power Emulation is the official home to download the list.

See you soon...

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Name: _Spekkio_ Posted: Friday, February 18, 2000 - (15:24)
Subject: a DOS emu on Win2000? Is is possible?
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basically, the topic says it all, is a DOS emulator for win2k feasible? Please email me if you respond, cuz I'm going away for the weekend.

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Name: _Spekkio_ Posted: Friday, February 18, 2000 - (16:13)
Subject: Re: a DOS emu on Win2000? Is is possible?
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damn, i forgot to put my email, spekkio1_97@hotmail.com
>basically, the topic says it all, is a DOS emulator for win2k feasible? Please email me if you respond, cuz I'm going away for the weekend.


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Name: Tratax Posted: Friday, February 18, 2000 - (14:37)
Subject: I bet the OFFICIAL version of Bleem! doesnt run either
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But if anyone here with a official
bleem! release can prove me wrong here
and try it on Win2K .. please please
let me know !


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Name: Captain Nemo Posted: Friday, February 18, 2000 - (17:47)
Subject: Re: I bet the OFFICIAL version of Bleem! doesnt run either
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>But if anyone here with a official
>bleem! release can prove me wrong here
>and try it on Win2K .. please please
>let me know !

I've tried with the full 1.5b. The installer doesn't crash but when I start the Bleem.exe it gives the "not a win32" error.
I've tried with ATCOMPAT.EXE too and the problem remains the same.

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Name: finn Posted: Friday, February 18, 2000 - (13:50)
Subject: well
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i have been running win 2k for a good month now and it's been nothing but great except for it's DOS support. i like to fiddle with rom hacking, and i have only found ONE tile editor (SNES Sprite Editor) that will run in win 2k. most of the hacking/trans utilities are DOS based and dont work. but other than that it works great for me...

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Name: Vic Twenty George Posted: Friday, February 18, 2000 - (6:40)
Subject: No Early 80s System Emulators Listed?
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So much for their "great chart"...did they even try running emulators for the early 80s game systems like the Atari 2600 (Stella, PC Atari, Z26), 5200 (Virtual Super System), 7800 (V7800), ColecoVision (ColEm, AdamEm), Intellivision (INTVPC), Vectrex (DVE), or even the multi-system MESS emulator through Windows 2000? Not very thorough testing, I should say.

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Name: Captain Nemo Posted: Friday, February 18, 2000 - (17:51)
Subject: Re: No Early 80s System Emulators Listed?
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>So much for their "great chart"...did they even try running emulators for the early 80s game systems like the Atari 2600 (Stella, PC Atari, Z26), 5200 (Virtual Super System), 7800 (V7800), ColecoVision (ColEm, AdamEm), Intellivision (INTVPC), Vectrex (DVE), or even the multi-system MESS emulator through Windows 2000? Not very thorough testing, I should say.

It's coming soon...

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Name: torisen Posted: Friday, February 18, 2000 - (11:01)
Subject: Re: No Early 80s System Emulators Listed?
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>So much for their "great chart"...did they even try running emulators for the early 80s game systems like the Atari 2600 (Stella, PC Atari, Z26), 5200 (Virtual Super System), 7800 (V7800), ColecoVision (ColEm, AdamEm), Intellivision (INTVPC), Vectrex (DVE), or even the multi-system MESS emulator through Windows 2000? Not very thorough testing, I should say.

Indeed. No NES emulators, and I can easily call to mind another SMS and PC-Engine emulator...

Ah, well. Doesn't really affect me, I'll just stick to my FreeBSD system...

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Name: Captain Nemo Posted: Friday, February 18, 2000 - (17:53)
Subject: Re: Re: No Early 80s System Emulators Listed?
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>>So much for their "great chart"...did they even try running emulators for the early 80s game systems like the Atari 2600 (Stella, PC Atari, Z26), 5200 (Virtual Super System), 7800 (V7800), ColecoVision (ColEm, AdamEm), Intellivision (INTVPC), Vectrex (DVE), or even the multi-system MESS emulator through Windows 2000? Not very thorough testing, I should say.

>

>Indeed. No NES emulators, and I can easily call to mind another SMS and PC-Engine emulator...

The Nes section is so big that I've not finished it yet.

>Ah, well. Doesn't really affect me, I'll just stick to my FreeBSD system...


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Name: Atomic Skull Posted: Thursday, February 17, 2000 - (20:04)
Subject: Eh!
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Apparantly, they're using a _cracked_ version of Bleem :b The invalid Win32 application is from the little stup used to load the EXE and defeat the CD check.

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Name: Captain Nemo Posted: Friday, February 18, 2000 - (17:36)
Subject: Re: Eh!
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>Apparantly, they're using a _cracked_ version of Bleem :b The invalid Win32 application is from the little stup used to load the EXE and defeat the CD check.

>Of course not !

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Name: Urzole Posted: Thursday, February 17, 2000 - (17:48)
Subject: Hmm...
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UltraHLE runs just fine on my 2000 installation (better than on 98, in fact).

This listsays it reports as an invalid application. Presumably the list author has a corrupt file. Are there anyothers in his collection like that...?

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Name: Captain Nemo Posted: Friday, February 18, 2000 - (17:55)
Subject: Re: Hmm...
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>UltraHLE runs just fine on my 2000 installation (better than on 98, in fact).

>

>This listsays it reports as an invalid application. Presumably the list author has a corrupt file. Are there anyothers in his collection like that...?

I think it's a problem with the Tnt Driver or with the GlideWrapper, we are trying it.

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Name: Atomic Skull Posted: Friday, February 18, 2000 - (9:08)
Subject: Re: Hmm...
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>UltraHLE runs just fine on my 2000 installation (better than on 98, in fact).

Win2000 is NT with full DirectX support.

Basicly, that means the following..

#1 DOS apps _might_ work, though not with sound, and only in *standard* VGA BIOS modes. No "hacked" resolutions (which require direct hardware access), no VESA modes, etc. Also, 32-bit pmode DOS apps that want to have privilige level 0 won't run, the OS already has this and will deny it to the application.

#2 Any Win32 app that does no-no's like "thunking" back to 16-bit real mode to use old outdated DLL's, make BIOS calls, or anything else that requires that the system switch back to 16-bit "real mode" (8086 mode) won't work (this is why the cracked Bleem doesn't run)

Most modern Win95/98 software should run, provided that it doesn't do any of the things listed in #2 (which it shouldn't, that's just bad programming).. Allowing garbage like that is what makes Win95/98 so unstable in the first place..

Oh, and format your drive as an NTFS, half of what makes NT so stable is the file system. (and anyway, FAT is almost 2 decades old - it was designed for floppy drives)

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Name: Captain Nemo Posted: Friday, February 18, 2000 - (18:04)
Subject: Re: Re: Hmm...
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>>UltraHLE runs just fine on my 2000 installation (better than on 98, in fact).

> Win2000 is NT with full DirectX support.

You're right, it's NT 5.0 with a new service pack :))

> Basicly, that means the following..

> #1 DOS apps _might_ work, though not with sound, and only in *standard* VGA BIOS modes. No "hacked" resolutions (which require direct hardware access), no VESA modes, etc.Also, 32-bit pmode DOS apps that want to have privilige level 0 won't run, the OS already has this and will deny it to the application.

You're right again but there is a software witch create a bridge again the Dos Box and the sound card for a direct access. We will try it later.

> #2 Any Win32 app that does no-no's like "thunking" back to 16-bit real mode to use old outdated DLL's, make BIOS calls, or anything else that requires that the system switch back to 16-bit "real mode" (8086 mode) won't work (this is why the cracked Bleem doesn't run)

The cracked Bleem doesn't work and the official no more.

> Most modern Win95/98 software should run, provided that it doesn't do any of the things listed in #2 (which it shouldn't, that's just bad programming).. Allowing garbage like that is what makes Win95/98 so unstable in the first place..

Why not make an... emulator for the Dos !!!

> Oh, and format your drive as an NTFS, half of what makes NT so stable is the file system. (and anyway, FAT is almost 2 decades old - it was designed for floppy drives)

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