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To post or not to post... - February 18,2000 by JoseQ
I'd like to ask for your feedback once again, now that the comments section is up and running... During the past few days I've browsed through the net and happily found many sites that had EmuViews on their links section. However, those that had comments on them, either listed EmuViews as a ROMs site, "Good place to download stuff", or labeling it like having some news, but not a news site. However, I do consider to post good news on the main page, but somehow it always seems that the visitors don't feel that way. So I guess what I'm asking is, what else would you like me to post about? Is it releases for stuff like the GoodX programs from Cowering, Front-End software, ROM verifiers, interesting computing/technology news, etc. Please let me know what you would like to see on the news area, and also what you would like not to see... Your comments are very important to me. Thanks in advance!

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Name: JoseQ Posted: Saturday, February 19, 2000 - (14:10)
Subject: Thanks all
From:
Hi:

I truly appreciate all the comments made, both positive and slightly negative. And I would like to say what I feel recaps everything said thus far. Although some didn't want the inclusion of Front-Ends into the news, it seems the majority that mentioned it, did want it, so I'll be working on that. And it is also obvious that you all like the Rumor Mill so I'll try to make that a weekly issue once again.

I must say I'm very pleased with the response gotten to that post. Thanks so much!

JoseQ

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Name: birdman Posted: Saturday, February 19, 2000 - (13:56)
Subject: EmuViews is great, etc
From:
The best of both worlds ... roms and news. if you keep it just as is that's fine by me.

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Name: mame guy Posted: Saturday, February 19, 2000 - (12:51)
Subject: I started comming here
From:
When Daves Video Game Classics was shut down because of him loosing his Roms section I started comming here.
I posted on the message boards there alot when i first started up with the internet video game geekers are the coolest people are the net. Battle Net
M-Player Quake Arena junkies Ultima addicts just very unreal personas in Junkies.

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Name: Drewbert Posted: Saturday, February 19, 2000 - (10:41)
Subject: comments
From:
I'm suprised they called EMuviews a "ROM site". I've never looked at it that way. Personally, I can't get enough of the rumor mills, and I like the news(although I would suggest to do news on frontends, etc.) Also, I'd suggest putting a link to the latest Rumor Mill on your navigation bar(I remember when I was on vacation, and I saw that you had posted another rumor mill, it would have been a lot easier to click it straight from the navigation, instead of having to go through the news archives. Anyways, keep up the good work!

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Name: Peter Posted: Saturday, February 19, 2000 - (3:24)
Subject: news
From:
Ik like the way you handle the news! To the point and no bullsh!tt!

If you would like to ad something I think it would be best that they are emu related like frontends en things like clrmame etc.

Peter

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Name: Lossless Compression Posted: Saturday, February 19, 2000 - (1:47)
Subject: Why Emuviews is Good
From:
All I have to say is that I go to Zophar and EmuHQ to see what IS happening. I come here to see what WILL happen. Good work, and keep it up.

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Name: clomp Posted: Friday, February 18, 2000 - (23:07)
Subject:
From:
One of the best sites there is.I always come here first when im on the net looking for things emulator related.
You always regularly update your site with news and so on.Keep up the good work!

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Name: Glass Joe Posted: Friday, February 18, 2000 - (22:47)
Subject: Your Site has Everything
From:
And it's not that overwhelming. For someone looking at Emulation for the first time, your site is best. The News is just enough, keep it the way it is.

Joe

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Name: Benny Posted: Friday, February 18, 2000 - (21:34)
Subject: Great site!
From:
Keep it the way it is now. I'm sure you can tell from all the comments so far that this is a great site!

Keep up the good work.

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Name: raindog Posted: Friday, February 18, 2000 - (20:02)
Subject: I like it fine.
From:
Emuviews has been my third stop daily since the week I discovered it a couple years ago. Lately it's become more often my second stop, as Dave's/VG continues down the road to irrelevance. My only objection is the Javascript embedded on EVERY SINGLE PAGE, but that's an annoyance shared by many other sites.

I think I've only ever downloaded one ROM from Emuviews. I read it every day for a clean "executive summary" of what's going on in emulation, with a focus on the stuff I'm interested in: not Neo Geo, not PSX, not N64, but emulation of the stuff you can't just drive to Toys 'R Us and bring home for a hundred bucks. Of course I also like reviews of things like the arcade joysticks too.

Also, these message boards are the icing on the cake. On most other emulation sites there's a link on 'controversial' stories that takes you to some general discussion board with all the topics strewn among each other, and there's just no point in trying to carry on a thread. Here it works great.

About the only thing I would add would be a search engine for the news - there's so much CGI stuff dedicated to helping people find roms that it's no wonder some folks think this is a rom site.

Otherwise, it's updated often enough, mercifully doesn't carry crapola 'news' like "Darkseed Demonlicker Sayz We Not L33t Enough", has NEVER mentioned pro wrestling that I know of, and looks uncluttered and professional. (And I like the icons, but I'm also used to reading Slashdot every day.)

Jose, if you want to make the news more prominent than the roms it'd tickle me since all I use is the news. Whatever you decide, I like things pretty much the way they are already :)

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Name: Jub Posted: Friday, February 18, 2000 - (20:00)
Subject: a Good one
From:
Maybe you could shorten your post to not get yourself sick making long post.
This could help you too make more post about diverse subject Like: News in General, Translation....Etc.

Just too come back too the translation you could do a "Sub-site" concerning only Translation news. They are not a lot of them

Thanks a lot
Jub

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Name: ANdrew Gow Posted: Friday, February 18, 2000 - (19:51)
Subject: It's been said before.. but it's so true I had to say it again...
From:
JoseQ,

Not only is the site the best mix of ROMs and New, but it has teh friendliest, most user oriented siteop I have ever had the pleasure of emailing (one day I'll get to IRC.. but anyway)...

In my opinion it really is a horses for courses thing. You will find you can't please everybody.. but what I think you do is please those of us who come back reguarly. Those of us who want to know "JoseQ's Emulation Views".

Retrogames (aand Daves in it's time) posted about everything... and now it seems retrogames posts about absolutely everything! This is great for those who want everything... I was once one of these people... and I am glad that Retrogames does provide for their target market.

As of late ARH has ALL the ROMs you could ever want... (well Arcade Roms anyway) but has always been light on news (though what is posted is often there first..)

But back to Emuviews... I think you post the right amount of news about a wide variety of systems... you obviously do a lot of research to find the things you find... so you must be letting some things go.. personally I think you have the mix pretty spot on.

To be specific though here's myy thoughts on your exact Q's

GoodX - I think you summed itt up perfectly in a reply further down

Front End SW - If it is a breakthru concept (like the walking thru virtual aarcade thing... sorry for my ignorance I still use mame/w) then sure print it as NEW's.. if it's an update or a moree of the same.. there aint much news in that.

ROM Verifiers (see GoodX above)

Computer Tech News... again if it is a breakthru piece of news theen perhaps... ottherwise... I don't really care to know.

I guess what I am saying is if it is Break Thru then it is News.. if it isn't then it isn't .. I think this is the kind of philosophy you have taken ion the past.. and it's what I'd like to see continue.

Other things I'd like to see though in terms of roms would be better support for MESS.. I don't know what the legallities around this are but if possible I'd welcome it greatly

In Summary Keep up the great work Jose... You know I'm a big fan of the site.. and I guess it's because I like to know JoseQ's Emulation Views

ANdrew


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 Name: JoseQ Posted: Saturday, February 19, 2000 - (14:13)
Subject: Re: It's been said before.. but it's so true I had to say it again...
From:
Thanks for the post. We've exchanged a good number of e-mails and I think I've actually incorporated some changes to the site, thanks to you. =) Your comments are appreciated (as always) =)

JoseQ

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Name: Escapist Posted: Friday, February 18, 2000 - (19:04)
Subject: My suggestions...
From:
What's up, Jose!?

You know, in all honesty, you run the most open-minded site I've ever been to. Not only are you learned about the scene, but you happily accept and appreciate any input we give you. Bearing that in mind: you know what's good for us... Anything that's worth knowing (ROM verifying, tech news, etc...) just give it to us! You (speaking for all of us) can never know too much about something you love and admire.

Corniness aside, do what you do best...Later

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Name: G Posted: Friday, February 18, 2000 - (18:21)
Subject: suggestion for site
From:
It would be nice if the ROM's here were more complete so those of us ROM-collecting kiddies can fill in their collection. You already have most of them here so it wouldn't be much more to fill them in. That would save me lots of trouble from hunting around.

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Name: Grim_Reaper Posted: Friday, February 18, 2000 - (17:30)
Subject: I LOVE THIS PLACE !!!!
From:
JoseQ's Emu Views is the first place I go to get all the info and goodies . THIS PLACE ROCKS !! I recomend it to every one who is interested in the emu scene . Emu Views is my homepage as well ..I'm here every day for news . This is the # 1 site on Emu's in my book , and any thing you do to it will only improve it ! So in closeing keep up the GOOD work !!

Later Dude ,

Grim

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 Name: JoseQ Posted: Friday, February 18, 2000 - (18:55)
Subject: Re: I LOVE THIS PLACE !!!!
From:
I'm glad you like it so much. =)

JoseQ

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Name: Fx3 Posted: Friday, February 18, 2000 - (16:11)
Subject: Noise
From:
If you have a good website, with news, tools and... ROMs, thereīs no way to break other sites of linking your site and doing some comments about, like "has ROMs, tons of ROMs, blah". Itīs a problem. ROMs are a problem: itīs _illegal_ , you need the arcade machine, do not download if.... blah blah blah, a lot of warnings :) If you do not post ROMs, heh, emulation seems to be broken, else, lammest action, mails from "Nintendo" and such... :P

Honestly, I do not know what to do.

Fx3

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Name: godflesh Posted: Friday, February 18, 2000 - (15:56)
Subject: bah
From:
This is the only emulation site that I check regularly. The news is updated on a consistent basis.. and I have felt that i have gotten all the news that I really want to know..i'm not interested in technical stuff...although i do disagree with a prior post, I would like articles on frontends...a story on here is how I found out about the emulution frontend which I like. in my opinion, the site is killer how it is.

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Name: Joey Posted: Friday, February 18, 2000 - (14:39)
Subject: Show all the news on one page
From:
I don't really have one news site in particular, but the thing that always bother me about EV is how I have to click on a link to read the rest of a story, wait for another page to load, and then read the last sentence and a half of the article. I think putting entire stories on the main page (or at least non-clipped summaries with a link) might ease browsing a bit.

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 Name: JoseQ Posted: Friday, February 18, 2000 - (15:49)
Subject: Try NEWS w/o ICONS
From:
Check on the sidebar, the last link says News w/o Icons, it shows more of the articles, and unless they're too long (Rumor Mills, featured articles, etc.) they will be shown in their entirety there. And believe it or not, by clicking to read the rest of the story, you're helping the webmaster.

JoseQ

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 Name: DijiDiji Posted: Friday, February 18, 2000 - (15:27)
Subject: Re: Show all the news on one page
From:
Well put...I too look at several sites for news, and the clicking to read the last sentence or two of a story can get annoying. Other than that, it doesn't seem that there's anything wrong with the news you report.

>I don't really have one news site in particular, but the thing that always bother me about EV is how I have to click on a link to read the rest of a story, wait for another page to load, and then read the last sentence and a half of the article. I think putting entire stories on the main page (or at least non-clipped summaries with a link) might ease browsing a bit.

>

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 Name: DijiDiji Posted: Friday, February 18, 2000 - (15:43)
Subject: Almost forgot
From:
Of course, as others have said, too, the Rumor Mills were great when we could get them. And the message boards under each news item ARE a plus...something that would certainly be unwieldy with the full stories on one page. Unless you put a link to the board at the end of each story, perhaps. Just tossing out some thoughts here.

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 Name: Knark Posted: Friday, February 18, 2000 - (14:51)
Subject: Tried "NEWS w/o ICONS"?
From:
:)

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Name: Sk3r0{0n H34D Posted: Friday, February 18, 2000 - (14:10)
Subject: my opinion
From:
Well Emuviews is always my first stop. What you have been reporting on so far is good and the core of the emu scene. With all the (in my opinion) useless news items on some other sites, there are other areas of emulation I am intrested. I think Kinox has a good, grounded selection of news, and its my 2nd stop.

So the things I think need attention:
Translations: Of course you shouldnt report on every "unheard of nes game" update or stupid hack, but I think translations are a cool and unique part of the scene. Full translation patches shouldnt be ignored, Think of FF5 or SD3 for examples of news that shouldnt be missed.
More Emulators: Of course not enough readers would really be intrested in all obscure oldschool computer, calculator or pda emulators, but some things maybe slipping through the cracks. You could report on some of the console emus that you are ignoring right now, emulators for japanese computers/consoles, and calculators if there is an outstanding acomplishment.
Utilities: If there is a utility you think is really cool or very useful for a wide range of emuheads then by all means give a post about it. But if I want an overwhelming mass of unnoteworthy little gadgets then Ill just go to zophars.
Roms: well you might have reasons not to plug all the releases that are going on today, which is understandable. You do currently post about some new roms, but there are always more.
We all love Rumor Mills

There is definetly more news out there than one person, let alone one site, could report on. It would take alot of work to cover what I suggested (but you did ask). Remember that retrogamers slogan is a farce. There is no such thing as a one stop emulation site. Emu sites dont improve because they are trying to compete with each other, but because they are all sharing and resonating with each other.

Things not to go into:
Frontends: Unless you would be reporting on one now anyway, I dont think frontends are worthy of a news update. If people want a fronend, they are easy to find and way too abundant. I wouldnt even use one.
Non-emulation news: unless you, personally, have something to add on a nonemu topic I think they are out of place.
Computer/Tech News: This is a hard call. If you hear a great piece of news its your call, but otherwise... Alot of this type of news that can be seen on other sites isnt too relevant.

Why do people report on noncritical things? I think they want to seem like they are more "with it" concerning the news, to seem unique (because other sites likely will not have an identical news item), or simply to create the illusion that they distribute more news.

I think of Emuviews as a news site that also has a great and unique Emulators page. Of course its cool that I can get also roms for a release right when & where I hear about. I think it is inappropriate to treat Emuviews like a mere roms site.

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 Name: Edward Letendre Posted: Friday, February 18, 2000 - (18:38)
Subject: Re: my opinion
From:
I like you to continue to report the news and
expand it the best you can. I come here to
read the news and see how things change in
the emu world.

roms are okay too....but for the sake of not
becoming just a rom only site, the roms you have
should not be "openly" talked about. The one
thing I would really hate to see is your site shut
down (don't think for a minute I have anything
to do about a shutdown of any kind)...just point
out the main fact that a good "rom" site like
this should not be advertised as much...for an
example look to Dave's video game classics...and
the problems he went through...again I hate to
see anything happen to this site...I try and
support you...I believe in you...and I like
everthing about your site (even the contests,
keep up the contests...I want to win one of
those arcade control units one day).

Edward Letendre.


>Well Emuviews is always my first stop. What you have been reporting on so far is good and the core of the emu scene. With all the (in my opinion) useless news items on some other sites, there are other areas of emulation I am intrested. I think Kinox has a good, grounded selection of news, and its my 2nd stop.

>

>So the things I think need attention:

> Translations: Of course you shouldnt report on every "unheard of nes game" update or stupid hack, but I think translations are a cool and unique part of the scene. Full translation patches shouldnt be ignored, Think of FF5 or SD3 for examples of news that shouldnt be missed.

> More Emulators: Of course not enough readers would really be intrested in all obscure oldschool computer, calculator or pda emulators, but some things maybe slipping through the cracks. You could report on some of the console emus that you are ignoring right now, emulators for japanese computers/consoles, and calculators if there is an outstanding acomplishment.

> Utilities: If there is a utility you think is really cool or very useful for a wide range of emuheads then by all means give a post about it. But if I want an overwhelming mass of unnoteworthy little gadgets then Ill just go to zophars.

> Roms: well you might have reasons not to plug all the releases that are going on today, which is understandable. You do currently post about some new roms, but there are always more.

> We all love Rumor Mills

>

>There is definetly more news out there than one person, let alone one site, could report on. It would take alot of work to cover what I suggested (but you did ask). Remember that retrogamers slogan is a farce. There is no such thing as a one stop emulation site. Emu sites dont improve because they are trying to compete with each other, but because they are all sharing and resonating with each other.

>

>Things not to go into:

> Frontends: Unless you would be reporting on one now anyway, I dont think frontends are worthy of a news update. If people want a fronend, they are easy to find and way too abundant. I wouldnt even use one.

> Non-emulation news: unless you, personally, have something to add on a nonemu topic I think they are out of place.

> Computer/Tech News: This is a hard call. If you hear a great piece of news its your call, but otherwise... Alot of this type of news that can be seen on other sites isnt too relevant.

>

>Why do people report on noncritical things? I think they want to seem like they are more "with it" concerning the news, to seem unique (because other sites likely will not have an identical news item), or simply to create the illusion that they distribute more news.

>

>I think of Emuviews as a news site that also has a great and unique Emulators page. Of course its cool that I can get also roms for a release right when & where I hear about. I think it is inappropriate to treat Emuviews like a mere roms site.

>

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 Name: JoseQ Posted: Friday, February 18, 2000 - (15:52)
Subject: Re: my opinion
From:
Thanks for the comments... I read them all, and assimilated. Noted. =)

JoseQ

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Name: Chrono Posted: Friday, February 18, 2000 - (13:51)
Subject: I think..
From:
I do not know much about rom-verifiers and the Goodx programs, but that's because all my emu experience is from emuviews. Since the news business has been slow; I would love to learn about this other rom-related programs.

If you have the time (take a vacation 1st : )

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 Name: JoseQ Posted: Friday, February 18, 2000 - (16:03)
Subject: Re: I think..
From:
I believe the GoodX tools (GoodGB, etc.) just check your ROMs to see if they're valid and correct. This can help you identify those ROMs that seem to be bad, so that you can fix it or
find a correct one. I haven't posted about them, because to me, this adds extra work to you. Here's how:

You run the audit on the 300 files you have for MAME, and 200 come out bad. You spend the next 3 weeks finding all these games, and then after two years, you realize you never played any of these games and could have spent your online time doing something else.

To me, the best way to find out if a ROM is bad, is that when you try to play it, the emulator complains or the game doesn't work. That means you actually want to play it. Then you just go out, get it, and play it. =) No need to fix the other 199 games you have bad.

JoseQ

>I do not know much about rom-verifiers and the Goodx programs, but that's because all my emu experience is from emuviews. Since the news business has been slow; I would love to learn about this other rom-related programs.

>

>If you have the time (take a vacation 1st : )

>

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Name: SharkCoder Posted: Friday, February 18, 2000 - (13:37)
Subject: sorry, but...
From:
EmuViews just happens to be the best place to refer people looking for Shark roms...

There is no immediate requesting of emu related news here at Shark HQ.

/DeadSerious.

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Name: Crisis Posted: Friday, February 18, 2000 - (13:22)
Subject:
From:
I come to EMUVIEWS for news occasionally download an emulator or two but i rarely download roms from here i usually go to Emulation Syndication for that. I get my news in brief here first then go to the links for the articles then Vintagegamming then Zophars and occassionally Emulimited. I like the format here especially with the way its so easy to post comments to articles and see what peoples emuviews are. The most import news here is allways up and i notice alot of other news sites mention this site is where they got the odd bit of info. Keep up the good work. And maybe have a WIP list of where emus are at and what ones have open source.
I think of this as a news site with downloads.

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Name: Karl H. Posted: Friday, February 18, 2000 - (12:56)
Subject: EmuViews
From:
I haven't raised my voice in public here before, but I've selected EmuViews as my home page in Explorer, and I read news here every day.

In my opinion, unique news is what sets EmuViews apart from almost all other sites. Jose Q seems to get news ahead of almost everybody else, and the rumor mills have always been particulary nice. I read Retrogames and Vintagegaming as well, but the quality of the news posted is better at EmuViews. Retrogames is good, but new developments (new emus and games) often turn up here first.

Keep up the good signal-to-noise ratio. I'm thinking of dropping daily Vintagegaming viewing because it contains too much ranting about next-generation consoles, which I don't care much about.

When it comes to Roms, EmuViews is the best organized site around. Some might have stuff (a bit) earlier, but if I'm looking for a particular game, I always look here first.

Keep up the good work, Jose Q!

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 Name: JoseQ Posted: Friday, February 18, 2000 - (15:58)
Subject: Re: EmuViews
From:
>I haven't raised my voice in public here before, but I've selected EmuViews as my home page in Explorer, and I read news here every day.

I gotta love reading that. =)


>Keep up the good signal-to-noise ratio. I'm thinking of dropping daily Vintagegaming viewing because it contains too much ranting about next-generation consoles, which I don't care much about.

I try... For some of the stuff I don't usually report, it's because of me finding it not useful, or not something that most people would appreciate... I definitely don't want to clutter the site with news about WinAmp releases, and other stuff. This is not meant to discredit the sites that do, but the way mine works, I can only have 7 news articles on the main page, and I would like my visitors to find the most relevant & recent info there, not scroll through pages. It's just a different kind of format I guess from the other sites.


>When it comes to Roms, EmuViews is the best organized site around. Some might have stuff (a bit) earlier, but if I'm looking for a particular game, I always look here first.

Thanks... I'll try to add some more soon. =)

JoseQ

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Name: Jon Posted: Friday, February 18, 2000 - (12:50)
Subject:
From:
Will the rumour mill return? That was a great feature in the past.

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 Name: JoseQ Posted: Friday, February 18, 2000 - (15:54)
Subject: Re:
From:
Yes it will return... =) I'm just getting acquainted with newer 'birds' to get the latest info for me. =)

JoseQ


>Will the rumour mill return? That was a great feature in the past.

>

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Name: ThumB Posted: Friday, February 18, 2000 - (12:30)
Subject: Home Page
From:
Seeing as this is my home page, I come here everyday for news. Read what's here,
and then skip over to Zophar's for anything else you might not post. This would be
things like utilities. Even thought I don't go for all the news at Zophar's, they do post
news about everything. In my opinion, too much stuff sometimes. My advice, if you
are to post more news, make sure it's emulation news and emulation news only! But
remember JQ, your site rules and that's that. Even if you don't have everything, what
you have is what's most important to the majority on one of the most solid sites for
emulation that anyone has ever seen.


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 Name: JoseQ Posted: Friday, February 18, 2000 - (15:55)
Subject: Re: Home Page
From:
Thanks so much for all the praise... I'd just like to make the site better all the time, and the visitors are the best people to tell me how to do it. =)

JoseQ

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Name: Paratech Posted: Friday, February 18, 2000 - (11:50)
Subject: I like the news here
From:
I'll admit that the first reason I come here is I don't have the problems downloading MAME upgrades like I do at Arcade@home (I use GoZilla), but I DO read messages posted here, it's just most stuff has been posted at Retrogames or Vintagegaming first... (no 'fence) and Retrogames in particular is my second favorite 'site... (not to give Prophet and crew a swelled head...) My favorite Site is EmuChrist which may not be rising from the ashes again..who knows...

But I like this 'site for roms AND news...

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