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The Rumor Mill - March 08,2000 by JoseQ
It is Wednesday, and in the 'old days' it meant that a Rumor Mill was to be posted. So guess what, Qman is back with a bag full of rumors that will sure make you happy. I know everyone has been asking me to go back to the usual weekly feature, so I made the extra effort to at least achieve a good Mill today. We will have to see about Next Week, but it seems that this might be a good sign of things to come.
We have all seen the emulation scene take a drastic change in my opinion since the death of Raine. Not only does that leave only one active Arcade emulator, but makesyou wonder if we will ever see other new Video Game emulators pop-up on the same arena. Well my friends, I'm very happy to say that we most likely will. I have learned from good sources that the Sega System 32 emulator is notdead as thought by many, but simply being worked on at a very (big very there) slow pace. While the author has beenbusy with real life experiences, development hasn't reallydied on that part. I haven't received reports on the progress in quite some time, but I was at least very gladto know it's not dead.
The same goes for the dynamic recompilation emulator forthe Williams game. We all know that without those new 1GHz Athlons, we're a long shot from getting full speed with those in MAME. (Has anybody tested that yet on a Gigachip?). Development moves slowly, but surely as it isa very exciting and untapped resource for arcade emulation optimization.
Speaking about recompilation, we might think of some console emulators that have indeed tapped this resource for great results. Well, I've learned of other console emulator (of the not-yet-publically-emulated kind) being worked onin DynaRec fashion. I guess I can't say much more about that or you will find me hanging from the roof in the nextshowing of JoseQ's CamViews page if I do.
So how about emulators being ported to Windows? We all learned about EmuDX do it, and RockNES taking the jump possibly tomorrow, what will we see next? Will we see Meka take the jump? Sad but true, I don't think that will happen anytime soon. However, do expect some of the few pure DOS emus left to consider it soon. I hear Windows 2K is a verygood platform for development.
Well I'll try to cut it short so that I still have some things left to say next week in another edition of The Rumor Mill. Thanks for reading!

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Name: C.L. Posted: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - (12:44)
Subject: I just wanted to know
From: 198.30.209.70
If there is going to be nay more clock tower games made and will they ever make a second part to wolverines revenge

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Name: Crisis Posted: Monday, March 13, 2000 - (3:59)
Subject: Just an Idea
From: 198.30.209.70
How about a couple of long term Topics being added to the menu. I noticed some topics get hundreds of comments and seem to go on even after a few days or more

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Name: Stiletto Posted: Friday, March 10, 2000 - (12:46)
Subject: Cheers to the return of the Rumor Mill!
From: 198.30.209.70
Let's get this going on, um, a bi-weekly basis? Is that too much to ask?

I hear iVilDeD is working on a rumor website too! Joy and rapture. :)

Stiletto

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Name: Posted: Friday, March 10, 2000 - (0:47)
Subject:
From: 198.30.209.70

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Name: Mr. T Posted: Thursday, March 9, 2000 - (23:57)
Subject: Sega CD?
From: 198.30.209.70

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Name: Kayamon Posted: Thursday, March 9, 2000 - (21:47)
Subject: Rumours
From: 198.30.209.70
Heh, I wonder why this page is called the Rumour Mill, seeing as most of the things on it are 100% correct ;-)

Just to clear some stuff up -
* Raine MAY or MAY NOT come back yet, even the author isn't really sure. If it does, it probably won't be in it's current form. I wouldn't speculate too highly about it's reason for discontinuing, it's more mundane than you might think. It is true that it has been slightly improved since it's 0.28f release.
* There is no System 24 emulator, but ROMs have been partially dumped already and it's being looked into.
* The System 32 emulator is not the only one looking into this.

Nice work JoseQ! =)

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Name: DaemoN Posted: Thursday, March 9, 2000 - (19:44)
Subject: Raine
From: 198.30.209.70
Let me get this thing clear.
Raine is ***NOT*** going to come back. Stop spreading rumours, by gods sake, leave Richard alone.
I don't think we need any sort of "Raine + SystemBLABLA" rumor spreading, this would only mess up Richard's mailbox :P
You might be asking, "what makes this dude so confident?"
Well, I'm part of the rainebeta / rainedev team and a friend of Richardina, so I know what's going on :P

kthx

DaemoN
www.roarvgm.com

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Name: TimeSoldier Posted: Thursday, March 9, 2000 - (20:53)
Subject: Re: Raine
From: 198.30.209.70
I don't think that JQ was trying to say that Raine may make a comeback, he was just doing an
overview of the things that have been going on lately. Take a deep breah...relax...exhale..see, that wasn't so bad.

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Name: anti-Destructor Posted: Thursday, March 9, 2000 - (12:32)
Subject: RE:how idea to shut down Joseq stupid rumor mills?
From: 198.30.209.70
U R A DiKinSTRuKtor. 8^0 ()----8. Never come back!

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Name: Dorsola Posted: Thursday, March 9, 2000 - (18:56)
Subject: Re: RE:how idea to shut down Joseq stupid rumor mills?
From: 198.30.209.70
>U R A DiKinSTRuKtor. 8^0 ()----8. Never come back!

Let's hear it for Mr. Maturity!

In all seriousness, I enjoy JoseQ's rumor mills quite a bit. Not only does he work hard at this (despite not getting paid for it), but he deserves all the praise he gets for this site and the features it provides the emulation community. You are doing him a disservice by being so immature - if you don't like the rumor mills, you're not obligated to read them.

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Name: Dorsola Posted: Thursday, March 9, 2000 - (19:01)
Subject: Re: Re: RE:how idea to shut down Joseq stupid rumor mills?
From: 198.30.209.70
>>U R A DiKinSTRuKtor. 8^0 ()----8. Never come back!
>
>Let's hear it for Mr. Maturity!

Okay, my comment was directed at the original poster of this thread - I got confused by the fact that a new post had been made in reply to the "How to shut down JoseQ's mills" message rather than being a real reply.

Regardless, you guys should try to grow up a bit. I can tolerate poor English - not all of us have English as our primary languages. But that doesn't mean you have to act like little brats. JoseQ's board doesn't need this kind of crap.

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Name: Prophet Posted: Thursday, March 9, 2000 - (12:00)
Subject: a word to all!
From: 198.30.209.70
the english text revolution begin!

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Name: Destructor Posted: Thursday, March 9, 2000 - (11:51)
Subject: how idea to shut down Joseq stupid rumor mills?
From: 198.30.209.70
who have a brain in his head subscript to support the cause
joseq in his site existance have made mistaken over mistaken and have tell to us only words over words not true
now why don't shut down his stupid works
to joseq
i want only post true rumors not fake rumor like your post
his joseq working too hard in this years
to made himself out of brain service?
only last words
Joseq take down your stupid web site!
or us take down with force!

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Name: Crisis Posted: Thursday, March 9, 2000 - (15:18)
Subject: ?
From: 198.30.209.70
Rumors are called rumors for a reason

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Name: anticupid Posted: Thursday, March 9, 2000 - (9:56)
Subject: Two interesting things...
From: 198.30.209.70
First Katharis from Geoshock mentioned in an interview at Emucamp that there are indeed new games added since the last release of Raine however he also says the true reason Raine was discountinued hasn't been said publically. That leaves the door open for some pretty big speculation.

Second if you read the comments posted from Shiznobi he mentions dumpds are coming for System 32 *AND* System 24 games however there has been no public declaration of a System 24 emulator being worked on, sounds strange to me ;)

ac.

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Name: A.B. Posted: Thursday, March 9, 2000 - (18:48)
Subject: Re: Two interesting things...
From: 198.30.209.70
You have a point, but I seriously doubt that Raine will support System 24 roms if it does come back. I am very sure now that it won't since we heard it from the author himself, but there are strange things going on. Guruchoc at arcadeheaven said he would never have another Raine rom and that they will be gone forvever from his site. Well they're back now. Does seem strange. Maybe that final release with fixed bugs may happen and he wants to get ready. But don't speculate anything.

>First Katharis from Geoshock mentioned in an interview at Emucamp that there are indeed new games added since the last release of Raine however he also says the true reason Raine was discountinued hasn't been said publically. That leaves the door open for some pretty big speculation.
>
>Second if you read the comments posted from Shiznobi he mentions dumpds are coming for System 32 *AND* System 24 games however there has been no public declaration of a System 24 emulator being worked on, sounds strange to me ;)
>
>ac.
>

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Name: anticupid Posted: Friday, March 10, 2000 - (11:13)
Subject: Re: Re: Two interesting things...
From: 198.30.209.70
First I don't think Raine would emulate System 24, they are just two unrelated observations.

My thoughts on the ARH situation is that there was a misunderstanding between Guru and Richard, or so it would seem. First Guru posted the bit about Raine having another release then the Raine page is updated to say "don't post rumors..." That came across as possibly being aimed at a couple specific people, Guru being one of them. Then Guru pulled the roms. Basically it seemed like the two were figthing. I think that the roms are back just means that things are smoothed over.

As for System 24, there are several different projects working on Sega stuff, I would expect one of them to emulate that one.

ac.

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Name: ShinobiZ Posted: Thursday, March 9, 2000 - (16:13)
Subject: System 24
From: 198.30.209.70
Well, there is no System 24 because there is no unprotected version of games available. It's hard to emulate a system when you can't run the main program.

Now, I got an unprotected game. It's a japanese quiz, no really usefull in term of gameplay for us but it may help a lot to develop an emulator for System 24 and later run other System 24 games when they are decrypted.

Btw, I don't plan to make it my self.

Bye
Thierry / ShinobiZ

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Name: DaemoN Posted: Thursday, March 9, 2000 - (8:00)
Subject: Williams Games
From: 198.30.209.70
Most Williams games are running hella fast now :-) I've tried running'em on 3 different computers, here are the results: (mk / smash tv)
Celeron 366 --> ALMOST full speed

PII 450 --> full speed most of the time, sometimes skips frames

PIII 600 --> full speed all the time, never drops frames, no speed-related troubles at all.

All we need now is an updated MK2 driver ;)

Cya

DaemoN
www.roarvgm.com


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Name: Scorpion Posted: Thursday, March 9, 2000 - (10:54)
Subject: Re: Williams Games
From: 198.30.209.70
Whoaw are these with full sound and no frameskip ?

hey, I'm playing here with frameskip 7 and no sound
at 70-90 % (on a P200 :o(

reptile is still not appearing in mk1 nor these things
flying aruond the moon, (and yes I know how to reach him)
perhaps something has to be done first, for him to appear,
I tried by finishing the game over 10 times,
with only 1 credit, with all caracters, ...

or perhaps it has something to do with the dip-switches?
normally on factury settings all dip's should be off
but in mame version, three of them are on
these are unknown, and can not be switched in the menu,
strange ...

is there still noone working on the driver ?


I think these graphic-problems are caused by a bad
rom-dump in mk2, the board-test finds a bad rom in mame!

cu

>Most Williams games are running hella fast now :-) I've tried running'em on 3 different computers, here are the results: (mk / smash tv)
>Celeron 366 --> ALMOST full speed
>
>PII 450 --> full speed most of the time, sometimes skips frames
>
>PIII 600 --> full speed all the time, never drops frames, no speed-related troubles at all.
>
>All we need now is an updated MK2 driver ;)
>
>Cya
>
>DaemoN
>www.roarvgm.com
>
>
>

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Name: Kurgan Posted: Thursday, March 9, 2000 - (14:03)
Subject: Re: Re: Williams Games
From: 198.30.209.70
Yeah, an updated MK2 driver, and don't forget ol' NBA Jam!

Having more ram seems to help alot. I can play NARC and Smash TV at nearly full speed, frameskip like 4 or something (p233 MMX, 64 mb ram).

I think KGen needs to be updated, or at least ported to Win9x, that's a great emu, but it needs some updating. How about decent scanline support?

In MK 1, you need to be playing version 3.0 or up to have Reptile available. I hadn't even heard of version 5.0t until the rom was dumped, but that might have some new stuff (it's not working yet). Version 4.0 I thought was the last arcade release, and it had Reptile appearing more, and it was faster than 3.0.

Kurgan

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Name: SauloB Posted: Thursday, March 9, 2000 - (4:11)
Subject: Xmen MAME?
From: 198.30.209.70
JoseQ man.. do you know any news about the
sound progress in X-Men on MAME ?

thanks

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Name: Arttu Posted: Thursday, March 9, 2000 - (3:57)
Subject: Windows ports
From: 198.30.209.70
Could someone please explain me what's so good about arcade emulator windows ports? You can't run windows software on arcade cabinets with an arcade monitor so that spoils the whole experience!

I'm just afraid that DOS versions will be droppend and only the windows versions will be developed...

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Name: Kurgan Posted: Thursday, March 9, 2000 - (14:07)
Subject: Re: Windows ports
From: 198.30.209.70
Well, I do admit cheats don't quite work right in Mame32, and it's slower than the pure dos version, but it has a nice organized GUI, and you don't have to worry about command lines (which most gui-addicted comp folks hate anyway). It also has the auto-fire and Netplay support (only the unofficial versions).

I would honestly like to see the Netplay thing developed further. It has great potential.

I think the DOS versions should definately continue, they are fast and offer alot of stuff through command lines (that many of us ARE able to use and enjoy). Plus they are less system taxing.

Kurgan

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Name: nnooiissee Posted: Thursday, March 9, 2000 - (15:24)
Subject: Re: Re: Windows ports
From: 198.30.209.70
windows version has a nice gui? you have never tried the mac version. macmame has the cleanest, nicest gui i have seen for any emu on any platform.

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Name: Smeg Posted: Thursday, March 9, 2000 - (13:44)
Subject: Re: Windows ports
From: 198.30.209.70
Also, some of us with crappy computers prefer dos emus so that all resources will be available, and not hogged by Winblows....

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Name: JoseQ Posted: Thursday, March 9, 2000 - (9:37)
Subject: Re: Windows ports
From: 198.30.209.70
>Could someone please explain me what's so good about arcade emulator windows ports? You can't run windows software on arcade cabinets with an arcade monitor so that spoils the whole experience!


I happen to run my Arcade PC on Windows, and the same is done in most cases by all of HanaHo's ArcadePC Mini owners. They run Windows just fine. I guess it depends on the type of monitor you get for your cabinet.

JoseQ

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Name: ȣ Posted: Thursday, March 9, 2000 - (2:45)
Subject: ..
From: 198.30.209.70

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Name: rtw Posted: Thursday, March 9, 2000 - (3:46)
Subject: Win2K.
From: 198.30.209.70
Win2K good for development, ha ha
Motto Uncompatible with everything including
itself :)


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Name: Nathan Posted: Thursday, March 9, 2000 - (2:44)
Subject: The Mill
From: 198.30.209.70
...ahhhh... fresh rumors! :)

I hope the rumors return to a semi-regular schedule. I need my fix.

Thanks!

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Name: ShinobiZ Posted: Thursday, March 9, 2000 - (2:11)
Subject: System 32
From: 198.30.209.70
Hi!

The author told me that S32 is on hold until April, he is too busy with his job right now (important project to finish).

Btw, new S32 & S24 dumps are coming... ;)

Thierry / ShinobiZ

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Name: Toma Posted: Thursday, March 9, 2000 - (8:09)
Subject: Re: System 32
From: 198.30.209.70
Just a little question..

Would it be possible to ask directly SEGA to provide some specifications about that special chipset handling mathematical operations into AfterBurner Hardware ?



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Name: Jon Posted: Thursday, March 9, 2000 - (10:37)
Subject: Re: Re: System 32
From: 198.30.209.70
Best bet is track down a former employee. Sega is good
to emulation but not that good.


>Just a little question..
>
>Would it be possible to ask directly SEGA to provide some specifications about that special chipset handling mathematical operations into AfterBurner Hardware ?
>
>
>
>

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Name: Toma Posted: Friday, March 10, 2000 - (7:38)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: System 32
From: 198.30.209.70
OKay, but such chipset is getting old now !

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Name: A.B. Posted: Thursday, March 9, 2000 - (2:57)
Subject: Re: System 32
From: 198.30.209.70
Dammit man, you deserve a reward. I sent you some pages, hope you found some boards from there. I don't know how all of us can repay for all the dumping you did. By the way, does anyone know what hardware Time Killers would run on (not a Sega game)? Anyway, thanks Shinobiz for all that you did. I was thinking that System C is this Sega 16 bit emulation project that they're talkin' about on emucamp, but is it really? Anyone know? I know it has very similar hardware to Genesis.

>Hi!
>
>The author told me that S32 is on hold until April, he is too busy with his job right now (important project to finish).
>
>Btw, new S32 & S24 dumps are coming... ;)
>
>Thierry / ShinobiZ
>

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Name: Trebuken Posted: Thursday, March 9, 2000 - (0:40)
Subject: Emulation In the Here and Now
From: 198.30.209.70
Heh, who needs emulator releases... I'm having a hell of a time playing with Cowering's Line of Goodies... As to the System 32, I hope they take a note from impact and release a fully working dream machine... controller.ipc included this time please... And of course RealityMan will hopefully come through... I have complete faith in him...

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Name: Trio the Punch Posted: Thursday, March 9, 2000 - (4:29)
Subject: Re: Emulation In the Here and Now
From: 198.30.209.70
yeah,buts whats the point of good___ if you cant play the games?

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Name: Bruno Posted: Thursday, March 9, 2000 - (0:35)
Subject: Williams Dynarec???
From: 198.30.209.70
You seem to be a bit out of the Mame Beta picture, JoseQ. The Williams games were thought to be perfect dynarec candidates when they were supposed to have a 40 Mhz CPU. Mames Williams programmers found out during this Beta cycle that the real speed is just a mere 6 Mhz. Since all of the timing issues have been sorted out and the sound system also was sped up - those supposed dynarec monsters easily go 100% on a PIII 500. And most of that performance is not eaten by the CPU...


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Name: JoseQ Posted: Thursday, March 9, 2000 - (1:12)
Subject: Re: Williams Dynarec???
From: 198.30.209.70
Well, to be honest I haven't tried them for quite some time, but last time I looked, they were still slow on my P3-450. I'm also not sure how 'average' a 450MHz chip is, although I'm aware it doesn't sound as fast as it was when I got it. =P

JoseQ

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Name: JD Posted: Wednesday, March 8, 2000 - (21:49)
Subject: Gig Chip
From: 198.30.209.70
Well, I don't know about a gig chip, But I do know that KOF98 does run on my p3 550 lol
JD

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Name: A.B. Posted: Wednesday, March 8, 2000 - (20:19)
Subject: System 32
From: 198.30.209.70
I know nothing has been said about this emulator lately, but I never questioned that the project was dead. I know the author would not want to leave something as big as this unfinished. Truth is, I will be patient because I have been waiting for this emu for a long time, and I know it must take forever to get a product like this finished, especially if it's gonna be good. So lets just not complain and wait.

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