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Emulatronia stands by it's words - September 04,2000 by JoseQ
Today, Emulatronia (Spanish emulation news site) once again posted the Dreamcast Emulator criticized by many. These pictures were posted a few days ago and caused a flood of e-mail calling the Emulatronia staff to be lame, among other things. Today's posts mentions that, and other things. While I won't translate the complete posting, some of the details include the fact that those pictures were captured by themselves, not sent by an emulation author, so that they've known all along that the emulator is real. They've also setup a new page (also in Spanish) where one of the programmers tells some aspects of the emulator. This seems to be a very interesting turn of events as they are definitely putting their reputation and none other on the line. Hopefully they will get to post more pictures in the coming days and I'll post here as soon as they do with the translated details.

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Name: Tyrannical Posted: Wednesday, September 6, 2000 - (15:36)
Subject: With the DC windowsCE devkit leaked....
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It might not be as far fetched as it sounds. With a DC windows CE devkit out on the net, porting the DC winCE games AND porting mame(ala wince version) might be possible and fast. Sega has(d) plans for a genesis DC emu and the ability to download genesis games off their sega net. Once they relase their genesis emu, it is only a matter of time before a more friendly version that can read roms of a CD will be hacked out.

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Name: personan Posted: Wednesday, September 6, 2000 - (5:06)
Subject: revenge
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Hmm, interesting argument.

Personally I view my DC as an emulator in itself since it allows me to play some of the finest Sega arcade games around at the moment (Crazy Taxi, Virtua tennis, F355, HOTD2, the list goes on). For the first time in history we have immediate access to perfect arcade translations.
So, all you emulator (and therefore arcadegaming) enthusiasts should own one already. Of course there will always be a few bandits but by the time this thing runs at 60fps without glitches, we'll all be worring about something entirely different.
On a lighter note it might be amusing to see some of those awful PC-DC port-overs returned to where they belong.

Pers.

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 Name: Nostromo Posted: Thursday, September 7, 2000 - (9:12)
Subject: Re: revenge
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For first time in history?!?!?!?
What was the NeoGeo all about then?

>Personally I view my DC as an emulator in itself since it allows me to play some of the finest Sega arcade games around at the moment (Crazy Taxi, Virtua tennis, F355, HOTD2, the list goes on). For the first time in history we have immediate access to perfect arcade translations.
>So, all you emulator (and therefore arcadegaming) enthusiasts should own one already. Of course there will always be a few bandits but by the time this thing runs at 60fps without glitches, we'll all be worring about something entirely different.
>On a lighter note it might be amusing to see some of those awful PC-DC port-overs returned to where they belong.
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>Pers.
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Name: Kairi00 Posted: Tuesday, September 5, 2000 - (21:44)
Subject: Take it easy people...
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I don't see anything wrong with attempting to emulate a Dreamcast. To the authors (and other emulator authors out there, of course) writing an emulator presents a programming challenge to them, some kind of intellectual stimulation. Why the heck would you want to play, say, DoA2 on a DC emulator running at 30fps on a P8-100GHz (which probably costs a couple of thousand bucks), rather than playing it on a dreamcast (a measly $140 now.... definitely cheaper when the P8 is out). And to those of you who says that this promotes piracy, think again.... While it is somewhat true in the case of ROM-based consoles (dump a ROM... that's piracy right there), DC is a bit different. Oh and one other thing... there's not one copy protection scheme that's uncrackable in the world. If there's one now, there may not be one tomorrow.
Oh and DC doesn't need a ROM, it needs a bloody GD-ROM image, which basically means you either need the GD-ROM, or crack it (with the help of you-know-who's bootdisc and stuff). So is the emulator promoting piracy? I think not.

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Name: M4Rt1N109 Posted: Tuesday, September 5, 2000 - (21:39)
Subject: Don't worry about it :+)
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Oh come on guys... Why whould the owner of a pc buy a dreamcast anyway?
Can't you see that with or without an emu there are only few people who own a high end pc AND a dc because when you have a horse why would you buy a donkey? (this is a "translated" greek saying)...
After all even if (iiiiiif...) a perfect dc emu came out it whould give a boost to dc games' sales,right???
Personally,i don't care about n64 or dc emus just because i can't see why i need them...If i want to play a game i have many choices even if i don't have a n64\psx\dc emu... I thought emulation was just for the memories and the programming experience and i found out that this is true. Emulation never "killed" any machine and it never will.OK maybe when an ordinary pc will run at double speed than the best console out there it will,but can you see these times coming?Cause i don't...

p.s. Sorry for the crappy(?) english.

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Name: lag Posted: Tuesday, September 5, 2000 - (20:43)
Subject: Why is it a crime?
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The way I see it, it will make it easier to promote development on the DC. Whatever it takes to help all those EMU authors writing programs to run on the Dreamcast.

I am personally a Sega fanboy...but I love all the systems out there for one reason or another.

The temptation to tell all those "moral" people out there to choke on it is immense, but that is too typical. What I can say is, pause...take a deep breath and try and see things without your black and white, good and evil, filters on...Try and see it from a few angels. Don't tell me that you can't see the good of this project because there is plenty of positive.

I too see that there are negative aspects to this emulator, possible exploitations. But, I hope that this will be used for good. And if that possibility is there, then lets see what it can do.

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Name: Xiaou2 Posted: Tuesday, September 5, 2000 - (18:13)
Subject: #@!$
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Maybe its companys faults for not putting better encryption on game systems... but then there is Capcom2 boards that are near impossible to decript - meaning (maybe) lost forever.. :(

If the people force the industry to create games like this... then be prepared for games to dissapear as hardware goes bye bye... :(

As far as speed is concerned... there are PC's that run incredibly fast... and depending on the emulator and the type of functions the DC has - it could actually run at a very good rate.

Especially if its using assisted 3d card support... And also since it has a windows OS...

Not that I really care too much for the DC... (played much more fun games on my genesis) But rather the backlash that could be created if the authors release a working Emu. (or it gets leaked)

Its not to hard to wait a while is it?

And for that person who suggested Sega give him a Cookie - Wft? Youve got to be kidding? You build a console and right away someone rips it... and your supposed to be happy for his effort in hacking it??? !!!

Its one thing to bring back 10 yr old games like Afterburner, Thunderblade, Galaxy Force...ect.. which are hard to find anymore and are in danger of exstinction... That may get a pat on the back award... but this wont, I can assure you of that.


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Name: Mysterio Posted: Tuesday, September 5, 2000 - (16:59)
Subject: BUY A DAMN DREAMCAST IF YOU WANT TO PLAY IT SO BAD!!!! SHEESH!
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It's only $140.00 now at Best Buy and that's not that much to me.And if something like this should come out! God forbid. They might cancel emulation altogether then we won't have any games
to download and play. Be satisfied with
the emulators and roms you got people.
Peace.

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Name: PTS Posted: Tuesday, September 5, 2000 - (12:51)
Subject: DC EMU
From:
JoseQ, el emulador y la demo que rula ya están en Emulatronia.

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Name: Dolapcev Posted: Tuesday, September 5, 2000 - (11:48)
Subject: DC
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Really, very few people have PC that can run DC games well. I mean it's a lot cheaper to buy a Dreamcast than make your PC good enough for DC emu.

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Name: Samor Posted: Tuesday, September 5, 2000 - (11:18)
Subject: DC emu eh?
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while I don't think it will be advanced enough to run games yet, just the fact it is a dc emulator might hurt the emulator scene...just like that swapoo thing that fortunately vanished.

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Name: Majestic12 Posted: Tuesday, September 5, 2000 - (11:07)
Subject:
From:
I would guess very few people have PC's that can run
a DC emulator at a good speed plus I would
bet compatibility would be very low with many
many buggy games. I don't understand the
outcry from the emulation world about this emulator.
I won't hurt Sega and we should congradualte
the author for taking on such a challenging
project and making good progress on it.

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Name: wild eyed Posted: Tuesday, September 5, 2000 - (8:00)
Subject: 2 pencils up the nose and land face down
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i own the system and sega have a bad rap for not supporting their systems for long so to the author eat sh!t and die i wont support u!!!

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Name: anti-kail. Posted: Tuesday, September 5, 2000 - (7:30)
Subject: hmm
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1. who cares about nintendo? The big N will survive through hell and high water. Sega on the other hand are going through a rocky patch, and taking any profits anyway from what they make on the system is a nice stab in the back.

2."Its not intended to promote pirategames selling" Yeh, if it reads the normal gdroms, but id bet you its designed for the little bootleg versions that utopia, kalisto and friends have been dishing out daily.



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 Name: Kail the sage. Posted: Tuesday, September 5, 2000 - (8:31)
Subject: Re: hmm
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>1. who cares about nintendo? The big N will survive through hell and high water. Sega on the other hand are going through a rocky patch, and taking any profits anyway from what they make on the system is a nice stab in the back.

That was only an example. Only to tell that we wont get a perfect emulation now. Ho, well, think what you want, if you feel involved. Its my opinion after all.
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>2."Its not intended to promote pirategames selling" Yeh, if it reads the normal gdroms, but id bet you its designed for the little bootleg versions that utopia, kalisto and friends have been dishing out daily.

Exactly like the real system. This is emulation.
The boot disc exists, & emulation wont put another protection.

Ho, another thing : pirate games exist since the begining of videogames.

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Name: Kail Posted: Tuesday, September 5, 2000 - (5:22)
Subject: What's the problem ?
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Each time a new-system emulator appears, everyone cry "it's a crime ! It's the end of the vgame industry".

Bullsh!ts.

1)The emulator is far from perfect. Remember Ultralhe, Corn, etc...he ? I know loads of people who prefered to buy the system instead of using the emulator, which hard to configure & which ran few games.

2)It emulates the system. Its not intended to promote pirategames selling.
So, what's wrong ?

So, stop complaining, you can't stop it anyway.

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Name: Andro M Posted: Tuesday, September 5, 2000 - (3:29)
Subject: This author is a criminal.
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Kill this emulator, kill Emulatronia, someone must stop the guy who's making the emulator.

This is a crime.


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 Name: eldavo Posted: Thursday, September 7, 2000 - (12:32)
Subject: Re: This author is a criminal.
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>Kill this emulator, kill Emulatronia, someone must stop the guy who's making the emulator.
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>This is a crime.
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>Hey buddy, the Emulatronia people is not to blame, they just told the news, they weren´t paying the programmer. Don´t go telling people to die around like that please.
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Name: xiaou2 Posted: Tuesday, September 5, 2000 - (2:25)
Subject: Its wrong...
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I think its wrong to emulate such a new console. This is exactly the type of thing that can ruin emulation for all of us. Emulation should be about preserving history from fading... not to make your Pc run a system that was produced with 2yrs of its arrival.

The result will be hundreads of possible sales down the drain... and then as a result - super strict regulations (IDSA). You think its hard to find a rom now... wait til someone releases an emu like this...


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 Name: JoseQ Posted: Tuesday, September 5, 2000 - (10:07)
Subject: Re: Its wrong...
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We all went through this when SNES emulation started (the console was new then) and then once again when UltraHLE came out and the N64 was less than a year old (I think).

Most likely any DC emulator would be slow and buggy as hell for the next couple of years, so it should not ruin anything. Not the emulation scene, and not sales.

The emulation world is slim pickings when compared to the real gaming audience. We are probably just about 3% of the complete gaming world, and even in this small group, not everyone likes playing emulators of such new things. At least I for one still buy games for N64, PSX and DC, and still would even if there were perfect emulators for them. Heck I buy PC games and warez for those are incredibly easy to find.

It really won't mean anything if there are DC emus out there, but I'm pretty certain that it will be very difficult to have an accurate DC emulator that runs fast in the near future.

JoseQ

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 Name: Weapon X Posted: Tuesday, September 5, 2000 - (3:10)
Subject: Re: Its wrong...
From:
>Tend to agree there, son.


> I think its wrong to emulate such a new console. This is exactly the type of thing that can ruin emulation for all of us. Emulation should be about preserving history from fading... not to make your Pc run a system that was produced with 2yrs of its arrival.
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> The result will be hundreads of possible sales down the drain... and then as a result - super strict regulations (IDSA). You think its hard to find a rom now... wait til someone releases an emu like this...
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Name: xiaou2 Posted: Tuesday, September 5, 2000 - (2:19)
Subject: Its wrong...
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Name: NeoMaX Posted: Tuesday, September 5, 2000 - (1:15)
Subject: It makes no sense...
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I dont understand what the deal is? The emulator isnt released is it? Oh well, I don't care either way. Probably because I have the system.

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 Name: Posted: Tuesday, September 5, 2000 - (8:34)
Subject: Nintendo emulator on Dreamcast
From:


Sorry to bother you all but isn't that a Nintendo emulator that runs on a Dreamcast ? whats the deal ??? Its not a Dreamcast emulator people !!!

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 Name: JoseQ Posted: Tuesday, September 5, 2000 - (10:03)
Subject: Re: Nintendo emulator on Dreamcast
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No no, it is a DC Emulator on a PC.

JoseQ

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