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Dreamer is the name... - September 21,2000 by JoseQ
And Dreamcast is the game... This Dreamcast emulator that Emulatronia has been mentioning for a while now has gotten a name now and it is Dreamer. While it still doesn't play any commercial games, it apparently plays a Pong game coded for the Dreamcast by Jordan Delong and Dan Potter. There's a screenshot at Emulatronia displaying it. Apparently the controls are already emulated as is ISO reading capabilities. Apparently frame skipping has been implemented and the speed of the emulator also improved. While the idea of Dreamcast emulation seems ludicrous to me (with Dreamcast consoles still being sold on the mainstream), I guess it is still important to post about these developments, even though they're very early. We will see how this goes...

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Name: Brian Posted: Friday, September 22, 2000 - (20:50)
Subject: Emulation
From:
The Emulation Is One Of The Coolest Things Out There Right Now. But We Have To Control It. I Am A Programmer That Lost His Job. I Used To Work For Psx.
But Since The Sales Have Gone Down About 34% This Year, Now I Am Out Of A Job. That's Ok, I Guess. Since All Of The People Out There Are Getting (Stealing) What They Want. Yes, I Said Stealing! I Have Worked For Psx For 9 Years, And Becuase Of The New Generation That Thinks It's Ok To Steal.
People That Make Programs For Game Systems Will Not Make Any New Games.
Why You Ask? Why Would We, If People Like You Are Just Going To Take Food Out Of My Kids Mouth. So, I Would Like To Say In Closing, Thank You For Taking Away The Best Life I Could Have Ever Asked For, Programming For The World To See.

Sincerly,

Brian G. Forgs
(Just Another Unemployed Programmer Thanks To This Generation Of Thiefs)

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Name: Lando242 Posted: Friday, September 22, 2000 - (23:04)
Subject: Re: Emulation
From:
> I Am A Programmer That Lost His Job. I Used To Work For Psx.

Bummer.

>But Since The Sales Have Gone Down About 34%

So your telling me that 34% of the people who once bought your software went out and got PCs and emulated all your games and now arn't buying them anymore? I very much doubt that. In fact I very much doubt that more then 5% of the loss in sales is due to emulation. And how do you know that any of the people how have emulated your games would even buy them at all? I havent getten a new system since my GBC or my SNES, so if I emulated your games how would I been stealing money I would never spend in the first place?

This Year, Now I Am Out Of A Job. That's Ok, I Guess. Since All Of The People Out There Are Getting (Stealing) What They Want.

The newest system I emulate is the SNES, as well as many older ones, there are more people emulating old systems then new ones.

Yes, I Said Stealing! I Have Worked For Psx For 9 Years, And Becuase Of The New Generation That Thinks It's Ok To Steal.

By Psx you mean the Sony Playstation? Which wasn't even a concept mode 9 years ago? Cool. You much really have some connections in the industry, hmm then why would you get fired?

>People That Make Programs For Game Systems Will Not Make Any New Games.
>Why You Ask? Why Would We, If People Like You Are Just Going To Take Food Out Of My Kids Mouth.

Warez for computers has been around since the 1960's but I havent seen PC gamings sales take a 34% hit... Another thing: Napster. It was said that the music industry lost millions because on Napster, yet if you check the records it was a banner year for the music industry, only place sales didn't go up was in stores around school campuses.

> So, I Would Like To Say In Closing, Thank You For Taking Away The Best Life I Could Have Ever Asked For, Programming For The World To See.

Oh my god, ruined, crushed unable to program, can't get a job programing for another company. I hope I don't get fired from McD's, if I did I would just have to kill myself cause my life would be over!

> Sincerly,
>
> Brian G. Forgs
>(Just Another Unemployed Programmer Thanks To This Generation Of Thiefs)

Odd, a man ruined by emulating visiting one of the top emulation news sites? Man that is some major irony there, almost like a bad B movie.

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Name: Stifu Posted: Friday, September 22, 2000 - (12:04)
Subject: And what if...
From:
... They made emulators for DreamCast, but release it AFTEEEER...
I mean, when the DC won't be selled anymore, or something like that...

That way, the emu won't be too bad, or in beta stages, and it won't affect the console or Sega...

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Name: Stifu Posted: Friday, September 22, 2000 - (12:05)
Subject: =/
From:
Ah damn, what a bad spelling... "selled" !!... Argh...!!!

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Name: Lando242 Posted: Friday, September 22, 2000 - (11:05)
Subject: As a PC user...
From:
I would like to say that the last home system I paid money for was the SNES. It don't hurt Sega, Sony or Nintendo if I play their emulated games because I wouldn't pay for them anyway. And I'm willing to bet most emulater people out there are in the same boat as me. I quit buying home systems cause I was tired of them, tired of the crappy games, tired of the 5 years life spans, tired of my systems breaking and not being able to play my old games on new systems.

On a PC I can still play my old games on my new system and that is what killed the home system in my eyes. In ten years the home system will be nothing more then a dumbed down PC with internet access so why bother with them now at all? Hell theres been internet gaming on the PC for years now and only now are the home systems relly catching up. The systems are dated the very year they are released and are completely useless just a few years after that, I know that sounds like PCs also but when a PC is replaced you can still play your old games without worry of losing them when your hardware breaks. Isn't that why they started emulation in the first place? To save the games?

Lando242

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Name: APE Posted: Thursday, September 21, 2000 - (21:19)
Subject: crappy
From:
they wont be able to emulate the DC because of the way it reads and writes to the disc.

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Name: JoseQ Posted: Friday, September 22, 2000 - (8:56)
Subject: Re: crappy
From:
They said that about copying the GDs too =(

JoseQ

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Name: Majestic12 Posted: Thursday, September 21, 2000 - (14:19)
Subject: whats ludicrous?
From:
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the PSX,
N64 and gameboy still being supported.
Do you consider emulating those consoles
ludicrous as well? Sorry Jose not really
flaming you but I hear these same views from a
lot of places and I don't get the hipocracy.

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Name: TheBeaver Posted: Thursday, September 21, 2000 - (16:39)
Subject: Exactly
From:
I still believe it is too early to be emulating the Dreamcast, N64 AND PSX.
I think the emu community should start policing itself and stop emulating / distributing stuff thats less than 7 years old. Yep, I said 7 years that everything after 1993 !!!

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Name: JoseQ Posted: Thursday, September 21, 2000 - (15:14)
Subject: Re: whats ludicrous?
From:
I wouldn't consider Dreamcast in the same 'support' fashion as say Gameboy or N64. Given they are still being developed for, but Dreamcast is the main Sega console right now. N64 development has pretty much faded away in favor of a newer console.

On the other hand, GBC you're right, that's pretty much current. So I guess that's ludicrous too. =) Well in all aspects, there are very old Gameboy games that you probably can't find on stores anymore. Some for N64 as well.

Can you say the same for Dreamcast?

JoseQ

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Name: Majestic12 Posted: Thursday, September 21, 2000 - (17:24)
Subject: Re: Re: whats ludicrous?
From:
Ok maybe N64 and PSX maybe fading now because of the
Dreamcast but a year or so ago they were still the only consoles available
and we had active and working emulation of those consoles yet
I don't recall the outcry. Maybe it was there but
I just don't remember it.


>I wouldn't consider Dreamcast in the same 'support' fashion as say Gameboy or N64. Given they are still being developed for, but Dreamcast is the main Sega console right now. N64 development has pretty much faded away in favor of a newer console.
>
>On the other hand, GBC you're right, that's pretty much current. So I guess that's ludicrous too. =) Well in all aspects, there are very old Gameboy games that you probably can't find on stores anymore. Some for N64 as well.
>
>Can you say the same for Dreamcast?
>
>JoseQ
>

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Name: JoseQ Posted: Thursday, September 21, 2000 - (20:15)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: whats ludicrous?
From:
Well there is always the cry for the "End of emulation" thanks to a newly developed emulator for a recent console. But historically, consoles never get emulated to a real good point until quite a while after the emulators run a few demos. So maybe 'ludicrous' was a bad word I used because of my biased situation. I love Sega and I love my Dreamcast. I am one of those people that think everyone should go out and buy a Dreamcast, and I can't say I was in the same position with the PSX as I never owned one. =)

I apologize, it is not ludicrous... it's just a bit early, as usual. =)

JoseQ

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Name: Blizz Posted: Thursday, September 21, 2000 - (19:47)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: whats ludicrous?
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The problem with Dreamcast Emulation is that it is seen as damaging Sega (Which it may do but then iso files are doing the damage already). While everyone assumes Sega is on its last legs, (It will need a miracle if it's movement online fails, purely due to the strength of the Playstation brand name)

Can the Emulation community attempt to police it self via a collective conscience, hope to realistically save Sega?

Time will tell...

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Name: zOzO Posted: Thursday, September 21, 2000 - (14:15)
Subject: Dreamcast
From:
hey, like what's all this dreamcast junk goin around here. I would like to see 1 dreamcast emulator that works.

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Name: wing Posted: Thursday, September 21, 2000 - (14:13)
Subject: Dreamcast
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Name: Dolapcev Posted: Friday, September 22, 2000 - (7:53)
Subject: DC Emulation
From:
Very small amount of people who own PC will buy Dreamcast and that's the fact. So if I play DC ISO's on my PC I don't make damage to Sega because I wouldn't buy DC anyway. Plus very small percent of people with PC use it for emulation. It's still a lot cheaper to buy DC than a PC which can run DC emu.

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Name: Qrayg Posted: Friday, September 22, 2000 - (14:59)
Subject: Re: DC Emulation
From:
If you are interested in playing it, you should buy it.

What you ARE doing is hurting all of the programmers out there that get paid to make games for you and I to play. If they lose their job, we have no more games.

Let's say that you wrote a program that took you 2 years to write. You then start to sell the program to people that want to use it. Then I come a long and steal it from you and use it for free. My reasoning being that I would never buy the program to begin with so I'm not hurting you.

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