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Final Burnout - April 09,2001 by wook
Article written by wooK
"Oh my god, they're literate, so how come nobody reads the fragging FAQ?", Dave might have screamed before running towards the nearest horizon. Nobody with a clue is going to blame a person for bailing from a job that offers little in the way of pay except adulation. More often than not the adulation is misplaced, someone will get eager to touch an emulation author.

The User's Mind:

Should I ask a question they know the answer for already. Drop them a line. It will be neat to exchange email with the author. Email that innocent question. They'll probably like hearing from me. I didn't really want to read that whole FAQ. It's time consuming. After all, the author is a fan of these games like me. We have something in common. They'll be glad to discuss that game with me. They will be happy to tell me about their work. Who would know it better? What could one little email hurt?

The Emu Author:

Usually only one person, rarely a team, handles all the email about a specific emulator. Resources are stretched thin. They try to maintain a life while finding time to code, doing online research, possibly trying to squeeze another hobby in, and then the email begins to trickle. Keep it in perspective. Emulation is just a hobby. The code begins to take on a life of its own. After an interesting turn, the summit you wondered if you could climb is in reach. Your obsession to mold the code propels your interest. Is it still a hobby when you're punching regular hours weekly without getting paid? You still enjoy what you're doing and learning more about your coding abilities weekly. Enjoyment plays a large part in your motivation.

The Story:

Slowly, people take notice. An ebbing tide of email begins to claim more moments of time from real life, the family, the sun, work, hobbies, etc. In an attempt at damage control, you create an updated frequently asked questions file, a FAQ, better documentation should end this email crescendo of redundant questions. It’s starting to feel more like work, but the code beckons and it can erase any tired feelings.

Nose to the grindstone mode only maintains for a time. One morning, one evening, one moment; you notice the joy is fading. Sacrificing more and more of yourself to maintaining this carcinogenic project whose existence devours your time. Occasionally you receive an email or word of encouragement from a person that understands some of what you’re going through, these junctures create a small reminiscent pleasure. At least someone appreciates the amount of effort you’re expending on this thing. Burnout mode appears idled for the time being.

As subsequent down periods ensue, till one point. The cat pukes in your sock drawer, the car gets a flat, some fool mail bombs you, or you go away on a small business trip and return to find that tide of redundant email. This time the notes of support seem fewer; you draw less strength from a smaller pool of positive thoughts. You try to step over the email that sets on the other side. Darker in nature. Negative at times. Some of these people are taking your work for granted. Some seem almost spiteful. What were you thinking by spending time on this emulator anyways? Life calls, the summit was climbed months ago, and to continue seems a pointless cause. Something snaps. This is a waste of resources, life force, time, and energy. Burnout reigns.

During the next few months, Dave may pick at the Final Burn code and consider was it worth it? Or he may never touch the code again. Or he could be tweaking the code for his own interest at this very instant. Deciding whether a public release of any revision brings more trouble than enjoyment. Does continuing this project justify the time he spent on it?

Dave, what you have given of yourself was not unappreciated by everyone. Emulation exists on coder’s efforts. Yet, how long will they tolerate the spotlight created by public releases which can produce a heavy price while offering little compensation.

What can emulation fans, emulation fanatics, emu scene people, or the general emulation community do to help emulation authors out?

Before sending that email:

  1. Keep in mind, time’s a limited resource, which few authors have enough of.
  2. Be close to 100% certain that your question wasn't addressed in the enclosed FAQ, documents, text files. Take the time to check the emulation project’s home page.
  3. Consider other options: your favorite emulation site's message board, IRC, or keyword searches using search engines.
  4. Never request binaries. Supplying your roms is not what emulation authors do. Try emulation sites, search engines, IRC, ICQ, peer to peer programs, etc. Try anything other than bothering the emulation author.
  5. Never request particular game support. The authors do not work for you. Time is scarce. Cross your fingers and hold your breath, someone may eventually support what you’re hoping for. Especially, if the author gets to spend their time on their coding and not reading pointless email requests while trying to maintain their energy level for the coding.

If you’re still convinced that you have something to say that the author needs to know or hear then consider when sending that email:

  1. Be courteous. The recipient isn't paid for their time. They do not work for you. Their name is not mom or dad.
  2. Supply relevant information. Information is good when it's concise. The time Uncle Pete brought his Atari 2600 to the family picnic might amuse people that know Pete, yet the emulation author doesn’t know Uncle Pete and their time is short.
  3. If your question revolves around something you’ve read or seen, try to enclose the URL’s or note where the author could find the information.
  4. Avoid attaching files, pictures, or items. With current issues concerning viri, trojans, and macros, authors would sleep a little easier if you keep your email friendly. Only send attachments if requested to do so.

Emulation authors consider ways to help ease the email burden on yourself:

  1. Use a FAQ based catch phrase to sort your email. State in your emu FAQ that all submitted emails must contain a specific phrase in the subject line. Example: “I have read the FAQ” must appear in the subject line. Use a spam filter, outlook express, Eudora, or Linux spam file to move any email with this subject line to an “incoming” directory while all other email sent to this address without the requested subject line is received at a “delete” directory.
  2. Turn off anything in your email program that could allow a macro to go active. Be careful regarding email attachments. Use a non-standard email program; outlook and outlook express have numerous security issues. Consider using Eudora, Pine, or even a web based email client. Protect yourself and your system. Increase your security by limiting the availability of software bugs and issues. Reduce the likelihood of damage. If you’re going to stick with a standard outlook setup then get the patches, keep security settings set to disable attachments and macros, and get an anti-virus program that intercepts and scans email before you can view.
  3. Use a secondary email account. There are so many options here. Just get something that is not traceable to your daily email account. You wouldn’t want someone guessing yourname@thisaccount.com because your emuauthor@atthesameaccount.com shares a common host. Keep your worlds apart. Your private email address should be for your personal matters only. Use a daisy chain of forwarding email accounts to eventually send the email to the auxiliary email account that you use. Most major emulation sites are more than happy to provide some link in the email chain for authors. Yahoo, Juno, Conk, Excite, etc all offer free email accounts.
  4. Consider not accepting any email. This cuts off interaction with the emulation fans and fanatics alike. A few people could argue that this approach, although drastic, isn’t necessarily a bad thing. You won’t get mail bombed, leveled with redundant questions, or hounded by people who don’t bother to read the FAQ. You won’t get feedback that at times can be beneficial. But you can always find some public opinion stuff on message boards or IRC.
  5. Use that special friend. The one who occasionally tricks you into working free of charge for them. Next time they have you working on a special project, ask them to repay the favor. Tell them you’re getting a little behind on email and could use some help sorting it. While it might not be too helpful, at least they will think twice before bugging you to assist with that weekend landscaping project again.
  6. Avoid publishing your ICQ contact information.
  7. Use a bogus nick on IRC.
  8. Keep your sense of humor. Once the enjoyment is gone, it’s all but over.

    Copyright 2001 www.bakedemu.com All Rights Reserved. This article may not be reproduced in whole or in part without the express written consent of the author.

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Add Your Comments

 Name: emuh8r Posted: Saturday, November 15, 2003 - (2:17)
Subject: you suck.
From: c-24-118-215-76.mn.client2.attbi.com
your page is too long. suck the farts from my ass.

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 Name: trunamer4eva Posted: Friday, August 3, 2001 - (19:41)
Subject: Now Dat you figure Out
From: h24-79-79-239.vc.shawcable.net
PEOPLE I NEED SOME ROMS IF ANY1 KNOW WHERE TELL ME RITE AWAY .......AITE

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 Name: LamerZ Posted: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - (2:01)
Subject: Re: Now Dat you figure Out
From: cache-dc04.proxy.aol.com
>PEOPLE I NEED SOME ROMS IF ANY1 KNOW WHERE TELL ME RITE AWAY .......AITE
>

There are 2 really good sites dude:

http://baudejogos.vetorialnet.com.br(Brazil)
http://bullo7.interfree.it/index.htm(Germany)

Although they are in foreign languages, these are the freshest ROM sites...

By the way, fuck Dave and fuck Final Burn. I don't give a flying fuck about him or his emulator. He should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, what he's doing is ILLEGAL! He's not stupid, he knows he's taking a big risk of being arrested, and so his punk ass stopped developement.

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 Name: cap'n Posted: Thursday, July 12, 2001 - (20:15)
Subject: please
From: spider-mtc-ti074.proxy.aol.com
how come when i input the new dats for nebula..marvel vs. capcom ...or any other of those roms still won't work?!?!

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 Name: ben Posted: Thursday, June 21, 2001 - (1:37)
Subject: rockman 2 the power fighters
From: atmax-3-7.enter.net
anyone know where i can find the game rockman 2 the power fighters. I looked everywhere but can't find the romset. If any of you guys know please tell me.

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 Name: Posted: Friday, August 3, 2001 - (19:36)
Subject: Re: rockman 2 the power fighters
From: h24-79-79-239.vc.shawcable.net
>anyone know where i can find the game rockman 2 the power fighters. I looked everywhere but can't find the romset. If any of you guys know please tell me.
>i need rom but i can't find 2 download and i need it

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 Name: D.D.R Posted: Friday, June 29, 2001 - (8:32)
Subject: Re: rockman 2 the power fighters
From: dyn177-ras12.screaming.net
>anyone know where i can find the game rockman 2 the power fighters. I looked everywhere but can't find the romset. If any of you guys know please tell me.
>www.aracadeathome.com

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 Name: Johnathan Posted: Saturday, April 14, 2001 - (8:20)
Subject: Wellp..
From: 12.78.151.220
I now know where my kid has learned all of his foul email typing skills. From the last place I thought to protect my kid from, an emulation board.
Jeez.

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 Name: Atomic Skull Posted: Friday, April 13, 2001 - (19:15)
Subject: $!@# the lamers
From: 24.16.44.82
If I had been Dave what I would have done is simply drop the CPS2 emulation and done a few more releases, even if I was going to drop the whole thing anyway?

Why? To get back at the CPS2 lamers of course :b

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 Name: Dave Posted: Friday, April 13, 2001 - (17:01)
Subject: The Master talk
From: 212.43.206.55
You must go out now,and give a kick to nebula and it developer :-)
sure you do that cause i take you and nebula develop and crush either's brain
now,let's go and for the end of the week i want to see another release to show that licker you are good and anyone called nebula doesn't have to your final burn JOB
ha!,and in Last M.A.M.E Team gay must arse in flame
Razzola has got ten board game and startin the decryptage of them,now let's go for the coming of next final burn
and for all leave immediately dave or i get on you and sure you die under my feet!

let's go


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 Name: git Posted: Friday, April 13, 2001 - (5:42)
Subject: fb
From: 213.122.45.32
DAVE YOUR EMULATOR WAS SHIT, GLAD YOU HAVE LEFT THE SCENE!!!!

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 Name: amittyvile0 Posted: Friday, April 13, 2001 - (3:42)
Subject:
From: 63.57.55.119
i think dave did a good job and so what if he gives out like a bitch you didnt pay him a $!@#ing penny did you so stop you bitchen you should be thanking him for his talent to make kickass emulators for you bitch ass






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 Name: cri Posted: Thursday, April 12, 2001 - (20:58)
Subject:
From: 172.128.11.139
where can i dl nebula please help!!!

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 Name: dave Posted: Thursday, April 12, 2001 - (18:28)
Subject: toss
From: 213.122.134.109
DAVE YOUR EMULATOR WAS SHIT, GLAD YOU HAVE LEFT THE SCENE!!!!

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 Name: Alex Posted: Thursday, April 12, 2001 - (9:10)
Subject: xmen vs street fighter manhatan stage
From: 152.163.213.198
My xmen vs street fighter rom has a problem in manhatan stage:the police car doesn't appear in the backstage!Does anyone know how can i solve this problem?

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 Name: martin Posted: Sunday, June 24, 2001 - (20:09)
Subject: Re: xmen vs street fighter manhatan stage
From: 177.brs0109.brs.iprimus.net.au
> My xmen vs street fighter rom has a problem in manhatan stage:the police car doesn't appear in the backstage!Does anyone know how can i solve this problem?
>email me the url of this rom and i can fix it up for you.
martingi@iprimus.com.au

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 Name: Posted: Monday, February 23, 2004 - (23:50)
Subject: Re: Re: xmen vs street fighter manhatan stage
From: 119.77.111.219.dy.bbexcite.jp
>> My xmen vs street fighter rom has a problem in manhatan stage:the police car doesn't appear in the backstage!Does anyone know how can i solve this problem?
>>email me the url of this rom and i can fix it up for you.
>martingi@iprimus.com.au
>

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 Name: piss Posted: Thursday, April 12, 2001 - (18:27)
Subject: Re: xmen vs street fighter manhatan stage
From: 213.122.134.109
> My xmen vs street fighter rom has a problem in manhatan stage:the police car doesn't appear in the backstage!Does anyone know how can i solve this problem?
>

NO NOW !@#$ OFF

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 Name: Lorne Posted: Thursday, April 12, 2001 - (1:47)
Subject: Business Club
From: 208.181.165.249
Interested In Getting into a business club!?

http://www.northshorebusinessclub.com

we may be out of your area but theres probably one near you!

In Re: to emulators...I am glad to enjoy the ones I have. I feel so blessed! =-)

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 Name: Darius Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - (20:58)
Subject: Geez
From: 24.112.112.78
You know, personally, instead of moaning about emulators, authors quitting the scene, lamers ruining emulation. If we all need our fix of video games so badly, why don't we buy a roll of quarters and go play the /ACTUAL/ arcade games, now /there's/ a novel idea that I haven't heard before.

- No more lamers whining about game support

- No more half-emulated games since your playing them on the hardware they were designed for

- You're actually supporting those that dreamed up the games you claim to love in the first place and help them keep their jobs

I mean, flame me if you want but every time you play a rom on an emulator, you're taking money away from the original programmers/artists/designers that made them in the first place.

Perhaps it's something to think about hmm?

Peace

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 Name: NeoKyo Posted: Thursday, April 12, 2001 - (7:56)
Subject: Re: Geez
From: 203.134.152.95
>You know, personally, instead of moaning about emulators, authors quitting the scene, lamers ruining emulation. If we all need our fix of video games so badly, why don't we buy a roll of quarters and go play the /ACTUAL/ arcade games, now /there's/ a novel idea that I haven't heard before.
>
>- No more lamers whining about game support
>
>- No more half-emulated games since your playing them on the hardware they were designed for
>
>- You're actually supporting those that dreamed up the games you claim to love in the first place and help them keep their jobs
>
>I mean, flame me if you want but every time you play a rom on an emulator, you're taking money away from the original programmers/artists/designers that made them in the first place.
>
>Perhaps it's something to think about hmm?
>
>Peace
>
I agree with most of it.......................
but
the whole purpose of emulation is to make old classic games runnin so trhgey dont dissapear into video game history
playing the bgame is a nice bonus
thats why cps-2shock hasnt released XOR tables for most recent games
they bseem to be waiting for about over 5 years of the games release
already we have been blessed by the emulationg of XMEN VS streetfighter
and streetfighter alpha 2
let emulation take its course
and now final burn is downa nd out
ppl are making hacks for it to support new games when they come out because
everybody hates nebula and CPS2mame
I do
finalburn OWNS

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 Name: Kurgan Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - (22:19)
Subject: Re: Geez
From: 63.227.69.15
I agree with you in principle on most of your points. If we all care so much about the games and are so offended by the "lamers" we could eliminate all of it by just going to the arcade. ; )

However, it's not a foolproof plan because many of these treasured classics are difficult if not impossible to find anymore. And many that can be found are in sorry-ass condition (the technical term for it) and not as enjoyable in some cases as playing them on a high-end PC or mame cabinet.

And for games that are no longer being sold (agreed, some are still making money in the arcades, these we should support if we really care about them), use of the roms isn't hurting them at all. Of course I think people that are selling these roms without permission are really doing wrong, if for no other reason than that they are profiting from something they had absolutely no hand in making.

I emailed the author of Robby Roto and thanked him for releasing his game to the public for free. I got a very polite response back almost immediately. So, there are developers that are happy people are playing their games. Hey, at least nobody is being lame about most games.

So yeah, go to the arcades to get a breath of fresh air, or just stop and think about this in perspective. ; ) If everybody did that, it would probably cut down on a lot of the fighting and anger.

>You know, personally, instead of moaning about emulators, authors quitting the scene, lamers ruining emulation. If we all need our fix of video games so badly, why don't we buy a roll of quarters and go play the /ACTUAL/ arcade games, now /there's/ a novel idea that I haven't heard before.
>
>- No more lamers whining about game support
>
>- No more half-emulated games since your playing them on the hardware they were designed for
>
>- You're actually supporting those that dreamed up the games you claim to love in the first place and help them keep their jobs
>
>I mean, flame me if you want but every time you play a rom on an emulator, you're taking money away from the original programmers/artists/designers that made them in the first place.
>
>Perhaps it's something to think about hmm?
>
>Peace
>

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 Name: Daemon Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - (20:05)
Subject:
From: 153.107.40.234
All you people are too emotional. Get over yourselves. If you like an emulator, use it. If not, then don't. TAKE IT LIKE A MAN!!!

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 Name: Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - (20:19)
Subject: Re:
From: 166.102.66.26
>All you people are too emotional. Get over yourselves. If you like an emulator, use it. If not, then don't. TAKE IT LIKE A MAN!!!
>
ummm.. You're in here throwing around insults too, so what does that make you?

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 Name: Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - (20:07)
Subject: Re:
From: 153.107.40.234
>All you people are too emotional. Get over yourselves. If you like an emulator, use it. If not, then don't. TAKE IT LIKE A MAN!!!
>
That's right. Complaining isn't going to solve anything. In the end no one particularly cares so what is the point of complaining?

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 Name: Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - (19:32)
Subject:
From: 166.102.66.26
You know something, if I was an emulator author, and I
just came here to this site and read all this garbage,
I would quit too. I would keep the emulator to myself
and nothing would get me to post it for free to a bunch
of ungrateful lamers. I REALLY hope other emu authors
don't come here and read this, or the emulation scene
will be dead in months. Let's put it this way: Would
you like a job where you worked for free, and your
"customers" cussed and threatened you? I don't think so.

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 Name: Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - (19:26)
Subject:
From: 166.102.66.26
I just tried to play D&D2 on Nebula, and naturally it didn't work.
That's o.k., I just loaded the HACKED version of Final Burn, and
it works PERFECT. Just load the hack, and the save state that
switches the game to english. Over 200 posts on here over nothing.
Final Burn will continue without Dave. At least till the lamers piss
off whoever modified Final Burn. I hope whoever is is don't post his
e-mail! :-P

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 Name: raindog Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - (18:24)
Subject: I can see both sides
From: 24.161.56.225
On the one hand, I've written a few emulation related projects, though not an actual emulator. I got burned out even without any lamer factor (mainly because I was writing for a system that was already fading when most of the lamers were still in their dads' nut sacks.) Work and family life end up taking precedence no matter how you slice it.

On the other hand, having known and supported users all of my adult life, I can attest that their thought process goes nothing like this article's author thinks it does. I question at times whether they have any thought process at all, but most of them really believe "readme.txt" is some kind of code meant only for other programmers. I can't hold it against them. Most of them think FAQ.txt is like some kind of advertisement or something.

If you really want to avoid that kind of thing, release your emulators in source only form and let a team of l33t4ss d00dz make their funky binaries out of it and do all the support. I've suggested this before and I think it's sound.

I don't know much about this situation because the guy was presumably writing an emulator for games that came out after 1990 and I just couldn't give a sh!t, but like someone above said, "get in line." Someone should post a link to the overclocked cartoon about quitting the scene. The worst of it will be if we never see the guy's source code; if that ends up happening my opinion of him goes from neutral to "l0s3r" since nothing will have come out of his entire project. (The same can be said of Indrema, but that's a different post.)

Oh, btw, the mail filter idea is an excellent one. If you're at all serious about doing projects online you'd best learn about them.


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 Name: Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - (14:55)
Subject: Rom request
From: 130.212.18.202
If someone begs for a rom, just send him a virus. :)

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 Name: Poo Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - (15:00)
Subject: Re: Rom request
From: 216.104.228.146
>If someone begs for a rom, just send him a virus. :)

Send Dave a virus! hopefully it'll destroy all his code and he won't make a come back :-)

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 Name: Dave Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - (19:23)
Subject: Re: Re: Rom request
From: 63.17.9.116
You are a dickface dave hater. go suck a big fat juicy penis cock and let it cum in your face. You are the biggest bitch in the whole world dick lick. Suck my big dave $!@#ing balss cat eater hermaphrodite!

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 Name: shadowgeist Posted: Friday, April 20, 2001 - (20:04)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Rom request
From: 04-181.018.popsite.net
Damn.. ..

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 Name: Dave Hater Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - (14:31)
Subject: Final Burn S_H_I_T
From: 216.104.228.154
Shut the F_U_C_K UP you dave loving assholes. So what if he's given up with his crap emulator. We still got MAME. I knew he wouldn't last long as soon as he started FB. He was alway moaning people emailing him sh!t, knew the wimp couldn't handle it. Cut all that crap about him doing it for free and you can't program, you do better etc etc. He knew what was involved from the start! GO ON DAVE F_U_C_K O_F_F!!!

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 Name: Shut up dAve hateR Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - (19:24)
Subject: Re: Final Burn S_H_I_T
From: 63.17.9.116
You are a dickface dave hater. go suck a big fat juicy penis cock and let it cum in your face. You are the biggest bitch in the whole world dick lick. Suck my big dave $!@#ing balss cat eater hermaphrodite!

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 Name: Walk Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - (13:55)
Subject: Crying over spilled milk
From: 152.163.213.83
hey um...i don't know about you guys but to still hear people venting about the end of Final Burn, and how lamers destroyed the scene is getting really old. i mean, is there any new ideas (seeing that there's over 200 posts) about this situation that haven't been brought up yet?..this is going to just turn into a flame board where everyone's gonna start fighting.(although we have plenty of it already) My advice is to move on, i enjoyed final burn totally, but im just gonna find a new emu to use, instead of complaining about something thats not coming back.

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 Name: MrTruth Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - (14:15)
Subject: Re: Crying over spilled milk
From: 213.122.107.104
I hope that asshole doesn't come back with his stinking emulator!

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 Name: Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - (12:08)
Subject:
From: 162.39.196.34
Well, I just downloaded the decryption files for D&D2. I've
been waiting to play this game along time. I loaded the rom
a month ago. Normally by now, I would be able to quickly
load the latest Final Burn and begin playing in minutes. Now
I have to spend hours trying to get these 3rd rate wannabe
CPS-2 emulators to work all because of the whiners like most
of the people making comments below that seem to have some
sub-consicious desire to run off all the emu authors. Say
what you will, but the emulation scene is about to die out
due to 2 types of people.....

1) The paranoid cowards - Those that run emulation sites that
are freaking out worrying that they are going to jail for
posting that that "Yar's Revenge" rom, thinking that letting
people download it might "hurt" Atari.

2) Low I.Q. Lamers - Spoiled kids living a sheltered life at
home, getting everything handed to them when they want it.
These people have never been in the real world so they
haven't developed any common sense. They beg, whine and
flood the e-mail of emulator authors with messages that
are so inane they would embarrass any normal 12 year old.

Unfortunatly, these fools are the majority, and this is why
within a few years emulation will be confined to a handfull
of sites hidden away like the hacking and warez sites.

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 Name: JoseQ Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - (13:35)
Subject: Re:
From: 216.42.53.2
>1) The paranoid cowards - Those that run emulation sites that
> are freaking out worrying that they are going to jail for
> posting that that "Yar's Revenge" rom, thinking that letting
> people download it might "hurt" Atari.

Well, first of all, I don't think the ROM distribution that I had hurt anybody.

Second of all, if you think that it might be worth the risk, why don't you start your own site? It doesn't require much talent, or much time to run a ROM site. Go ahead and have fun. I did it for three years, now it's your turn.

JoseQ

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 Name: Paulisse Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - (13:00)
Subject: Final regret
From: 193.252.214.13
I agree with you, though I think you're a bit "hard" towards the sites unwilling to risk a trial for posting roms. I greatly appreciate sites who have the courage to continue to offer roms, but I don't blame though those who cease this: as you write it concerning the emulators, it isn't obvious whether many leechers are worth or not the roms offered on the Net.

However, I prefer to think that they are not so few a number those who really appreciate the efforts of authors, a witness being the numerous messages in favor of Dave posted since he ceased Final Burn.

Personnally, I want to express too my BIG thanks to Dave for his great job: even if other emulators will pursue the CPS2 emulation, HE has shown the path. However, I regret the incomplete emulation of Sega games such as Thunder Blade, and those, I fear, aren't interesting many other authors.

But, no matter, thank you very much, Dave, for the hours of nostalgy and pleasure your hard work has permitted.

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 Name: joel Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - (10:08)
Subject: it lives!
From: 209.94.200.61
Check out also nextburn.cjb.net. This program uses the dat files from nebula and will modify the new rom renaming it to cyberbots so just select cyberbots from the list and you can also play dd2 on final burn0113.

So far nextburn0.5 version is out.
So you have now two different methods of using final burn to play new releases.

Oh yeah some might disagree with these methods. I to want to thank Dave for this excellent emulator. I was sad when he gave up on it but now thanks to these other people we can still use it.

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 Name: Posted: Saturday, June 16, 2001 - (23:30)
Subject: Re: it lives!
From: customer-tep-169-13.megared.net.mx
>Check out also nextburn.cjb.net. This program uses the dat files from nebula and will modify the new rom renaming it to cyberbots so just select cyberbots from the list and you can also play dd2 on final burn0113.
>
>So far nextburn0.5 version is out.
>So you have now two different methods of using final burn to play new releases.
>hola idiotas como mahonri cambero ortega

>Oh yeah some might disagree with these methods. I to want to thank Dave for this excellent emulator. I was sad when he gave up on it but now thanks to these other people we can still use it.
>

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 Name: Joel Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - (10:01)
Subject: Um it lives!
From: 209.94.200.61
Ok check out the message boards at retrogames. A guy has released final hack1.2 that allows dungeons and dragons2 shadow over mysteria to be played and he says for future releases of games he will just hack final burn 0113 so the games can be played.

So in fact we really haven't lost final burn, we can still use it.

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 Name: Posted: Sunday, February 8, 2004 - (13:22)
Subject: Re: Um it lives!
From: user-0ce2cc8.cable.mindspring.com
>Ok check out the message boards at retrogames. A guy has released final hack1.2 that allows dungeons and dragons2 shadow over mysteria to be played and he says for future releases of games he will just hack final burn 0113 so the games can be played.
>
>So in fact we really haven't lost final burn, we can still use it.
>

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 Name: Simon Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - (7:24)
Subject: Unbelievable
From: 195.65.214.131
This has turned out to be quite a debate. I have heard from a reliable source Dave was contemplating to continue with Final Burn, but the comments made yesterday put the final nails in the coffin. Well done to all, let's see if you can stop some other projects through your abuse and misaligned reasoning.

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 Name: Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - (9:53)
Subject: Re: Unbelievable
From: 165.247.42.12
look here you $!@#ing computer nerd, no life, losers, FINAL BURN is a GOOD emu, it is nothing historic since both MAME and NEbul suppport all games on it. What you assholes seem to not realize is that Dave is a true $!@#ing prick and he is a tru cry baby. Let him rant and bitch and stop final burn, who gives a flying $!@#!!! if dave is that immature and lame, let him be. i bet the guy just loves all this attetntion that you guys are giving him. Do me a faor you all AND SHUT HTE !@#$ UP, he left, big sh!t, NOW MOVE ON!

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 Name: Posted: Thursday, April 12, 2001 - (4:15)
Subject: Unbelievable
From: 195.65.214.143
So why did you have to open the big mouth on that ugly face of yours then? Is swearing now an Olympic event?, must be as it would appear your putting some hard training in.. you imbecile.

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 Name: Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - (23:10)
Subject: Re: Unbelievable
From: 24.169.45.112
FB was not only CPS2. It was a great Sega Arcade emulator.

Many of these games are not in MAME, and they certainly are not in Nebula.

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 Name: Spiderman Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - (9:38)
Subject: Re: Unbelievable
From: 209.239.68.213
>This has turned out to be quite a debate. I have heard from a reliable source Dave was contemplating to continue with Final Burn, but the comments made yesterday put the final nails in the coffin. Well done to all, let's see if you can stop some other projects through your abuse and misaligned reasoning.
>

If that is true then FB is dead for ever wich is a sahme becaus of a cupel of Idiots a great emu like FB is gowind down i never sent dave any e-mail but i did read the log on his page and it's not a suprising that he did what he did from what i read i would quit as well and i respect daves decision and suport his decision.

sorry for the speling i em for Croatia

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 Name: rcp Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - (7:17)
Subject: from a coder's perspective
From: 207.69.38.137
i code first and foremost for me, yet a close second is reaction from ppl that use my emus. while i care about what they think, if they think stupid things, then i ignore it. i try to do lots of things ppl like and few things they don't like. part of the fun and challenge is putting you 'baby' out into the world... seeing what others think about it. it is a scary experience, and the fear of failure very real... but if it were not, it wouldn't be any fun. the greater the risk, the greater the reward. to other emu coders out there, i offer the following advice. put yourself in '3rd person' perspective when reading comments about your work. honestly evaluate what is being said. ignore the stupid comments and pay close attention to the constructive ones. i am far more critical of my emu work than most of my commercial work. with commercial work you control more of the parameters, with emus, you control almost nothing. truth be known, emulation is the hardest thing i do... which is why i enjoy it so much.

Cheers,

rcp

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 Name: Atomic Skull Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - (7:02)
Subject: Lamer hell
From: 24.16.44.82
Oh yeah, and The Devil has a special arcade waiting for you.. Filled with pre '85 arcade games..

Hope you like playing Centipede and Robotron for all eternity, 'cause there won't be any crappy Neo Geo stuff, no lame fighting games, and DEFINATLY no 3-D crap either.

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 Name: Atomic Skull Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - (6:57)
Subject: CPS2 Emulamerz
From: 24.16.44.82
You know what?? I got a REAL kick when Dave dropped the CPS2 emulation, I cackled with glee when the lamers started pissing and moaning that they couldn't play their stupid CPS2 fighting games.. MAN that was a joy, seeing them get what they deserved..

Too bad it only lasted for one release :(

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Name: gwark Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - (3:21)
Subject: need to know basis
From: 198.142.179.16
hey man ... the emulator is a fine piece os software. you know that. some of us know that.

keep your "press releases" minimal and brief (like the bleem! team).
no-one bothers them, coz they nevwer answer. and when they do..its something worth saying.
forget these unapreciative emu users who $!@# the whole scene up.
Emu authors make the programs people love. so dont $!@# with them!!

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Name: Stabmaster-Arson Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - (3:03)
Subject: Dave never said he was "God"
From: 207.194.69.140
It was only overeager fans calling Dave God. Dave never said he was God or even hinted at it. And besides, if anyioneone deserves God status, it isnt Dave. it's the CPS2SHock team, they made it all possible. Mad Phat props to CPS2SHOCK.

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 Name: Kurgan Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - (22:32)
Subject: Re: Dave never said he was
From: 63.227.69.15
True.. most of the praise or blame for CPS2 emulation lies with the CPS2Shock team. Just about anybody could make an emulator support CPS2 games, once they were decrypted (the tough part was the actual decryption), as Dave himself admitted.

That is why you've been seeing Mame support and now Nebula support. Try out Kaillera, and play the games on the 'net. Final Burn was nice because it had save/load states, but it wasn't like nobody else could do it.

>It was only overeager fans calling Dave God. Dave never said he was God or even hinted at it. And besides, if anyioneone deserves God status, it isnt Dave. it's the CPS2SHock team, they made it all possible. Mad Phat props to CPS2SHOCK.
>

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Name: duhmez Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - (2:53)
Subject: More vagina's! YAY!
From: 207.194.69.140
Rotten, stink Vagina's!! Sweaty stinking $!@#ing BUSH.

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Name: Bacslasher Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (23:16)
Subject: complain complain
From: 216.8.7.232
complain complain some one like dave sticks his head out for us and gets it choped of off. we have no one to blame but our selfs well not me thanks dave for final burn the the first and best cps2 emu out there oh yeah people with the big mouths why dont you try to write a better emu than dave oh i forgot
you guys dont know how to program and if ya do show us!

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Name: raistphrk Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (19:34)
Subject: think for a sec...
From: 12.64.25.221
If you're really that peeved about the lack of an emulator, learn C and ASM and write your own software. These people aren't paid to be your personal slaves. They thrive only on the excitement of knowing they could manipulate a system (such as an x86-based PC) to run other software. They can create a world of their own. Truth be told, they do this for themselves. And maybe they get some sort of emotional high when you compliment them - which is rarely if ever. Read their mail sometime, and I'm sure you'd find that 40% of their mail is most likely rom-begging, another 50% are requests for new features, and 10% is just flame mail. And you expect them to keep going? Grow up.

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Name: mr. truth ??? Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (19:16)
Subject: $!@# that asshole
From: 200.56.138.142
emu authors to their best for assholes like you. what you are playing is on the efforts of that guy Dave, he cant ignore all the people he is puttin his faith on (us users) and the least we can do is congrats him for his awesome work, it cuz people just like you here today we have lost a great emulator... hope yer happy asshole

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Name: Mr Truth Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (19:07)
Subject: Asshole
From: 216.104.228.154
Dave is an asshole. Jesus you always get emu authors doing giving up after 6 months cos they get fed up with peeps emailing him. Why the $!@# doesn't he just ignore them ? Quit moaning Dave you must have known it would happen ? Cry baby!

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 Name: Atomic Skull Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - (6:53)
Subject: Re: Asshole
From: 24.16.44.82
>Dave is an asshole. Jesus you always get emu authors doing giving up after 6 months cos they get fed up with peeps emailing him. Why the $!@# doesn't he just ignore them ? Quit moaning Dave you must have known it would happen ? Cry baby!
>

Since when does he owe *you* anything?? are you paying him? What... no? Well then shut the $!@# up. He's doing it for free, he *is not* obligated to provide you with free games, so shut the $!@# up and write your own emu..

Oh, what, you cant? To $!@#ing bad then..


!@#$ing lamers, go back to your Mortal Crapbat or Street Lamerz 2 or whatever it it you play and leave us *real* retogamers alone please.

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 Name: Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (22:45)
Subject: Re: Asshole
From: 63.226.184.146
Another emu author "quit the scene"? LOL! Take a number, pal, and get in line.

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 Name: Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (19:16)
Subject: Re: Asshole
From: 165.247.42.126
I TOTALLY AGREE!! !@#$ you dave you cry baby $!@#ing loser. You think you are god? YOU ARE NOT! FUck final burn, we have MAME and nebula. Get off your pedistal, I for one dont care if you "left" i ahve this bullsh!t before and you came back. THIS TIME STAY THE !@#$ OUT!

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Name: ImSickOfThis Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (18:29)
Subject: Come on...
From: 206.47.244.93
Come on guys, wake up & smell the coffee... Were all nobodies here. I dout know any of you guys, you guys dont know me. So why whine about all this? Use the emu, let dave speak, easy enough? when youre using final burn, does dave sits near you & beg : worship me! ? no. So use the damn emu, shut your mouth & let the kids suck it up on him... because youre only using a program anonimously right? *hint* *hint*....

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Name: Carnage Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (15:54)
Subject: The Truth
From: 208.223.14.172
Finalburn is dead, but forever be
one of the awesome emu's of all time
that brought CPS2 emulation possible.

For now have CPS2Mame32 Windows.
>:)

on to the Future.

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Name: jus'joshin' Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (14:47)
Subject: the truth!?
From: 64.209.134.135
Maybe Dave RAN OUT OF TALENT and he wants to leave the emu scene in style. How about using flaming hot emails as a reason for quitting the project?? ...Ahhhhh the perfect scapegoat!

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 Name: JoseQ Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (15:14)
Subject: Re: the truth!?
From: 216.42.53.2
Let me rephrase...

I think you just might have ran out of talent. =P

JoseQ

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 Name: jus'joshin' Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (22:44)
Subject: Re: Re: the truth!?
From: 63.27.124.104
>Let me rephrase...
>
>I think you just might have ran out of talent. =P
>
>JoseQ

HEY LOOK EVERYBODY!!! JoseQ Flamed Me! And I didn't even have to use the words sh**,da**, or fu**!Proof that even the the "emulator news" guys are touchy.
Watch out! STEER CLEAR! L@@K L@@K L@@K!

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 Name: JoseQ Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - (1:46)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: the truth!?
From: 24.93.19.224
>HEY LOOK EVERYBODY!!! JoseQ Flamed Me! And I didn't even have to use the words sh**,da**, or fu**!Proof that even the the "emulator news" guys are touchy.
>Watch out! STEER CLEAR! L@@K L@@K L@@K!

Hey, it was a funny comment. I just found it funny how you said "RAN OUT OF TALENT" in caps like that... how can someone run out of talent? Neat concept, and I found it funny. Sorry =P

JoseQ

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 Name: JoseQ Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (15:11)
Subject: Re: the truth!?
From: 216.42.53.2
Have you ever ran out of talent?

I hope that never happens to me.

JoseQ

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Name: Tyler Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (14:44)
Subject: My thoughts
From: 209.128.34.4
I have 2 points to make and here they are.

1) No offense to the writer of this article or anything but correct me if I am wrong, I don't think he has made an emulator, so how can he understand the process of one? I haven't either so I really can't say alot. I do think what he is saying is symbolicly true to a certain degree though.

2) What is everybody's problem with Dave quiting the emu seen. Maybe I shouldn't say everybody since there are a few people taking this rationaly. I mean, come on! Some people are depressed over this. Dave quit the scene, oh well! Life go's on! Instead of complaining over the programmers we are losing we should be thankful for the ones we have! It's like the whole you see a glass of water half empty, I see a glass of water half full thing!

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 Name: wook Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - (10:48)
Subject: Re: My thoughts
From: 216.196.177.50
>I have 2 points to make and here they are.
>
>1) No offense to the writer of this article or anything but correct me if I am wrong, I don't think he has made an emulator, so how can he understand the process of one? I haven't either so I really can't say alot. I do think what he is saying is symbolicly true to a certain degree though.

what i've coded and when is my business. but i have had code published and copyrighted in the past. so I do understand the creative process and how close it comes to being somewhere between a child and a piece of art.

>2) What is everybody's problem with Dave quiting the emu seen. Maybe I shouldn't say everybody since there are a few people taking this rationaly. I mean, come on! Some people are depressed over this. Dave quit the scene, oh well! Life go's on! Instead of complaining over the programmers we are losing we should be thankful for the ones we have! It's like the whole you see a glass of water half empty, I see a glass of water half full thing!
>

the article was never meant as a complaint. more like ideas for all sides to consider ways to decrease the chances of another "event"

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 Name: Posted: Thursday, April 12, 2001 - (16:04)
Subject: Re: Re: My thoughts
From: 209.128.34.4
>>I have 2 points to make and here they are.
>>
>>1) No offense to the writer of this article or anything but correct me if I am wrong, I don't think he has made an emulator, so how can he understand the process of one? I haven't either so I really can't say alot. I do think what he is saying is symbolicly true to a certain degree though.
>
>what i've coded and when is my business. but i have had code published and copyrighted in the past. so I do understand the creative process and how close it comes to being somewhere between a child and a piece of art.
>

I meant no offense to you in any way. I assumed you didn't have experience so all I was trying to say was for everybody not to get hung up on something that is only a guess of what it is like for an emulation author

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 Name: JoseQ Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (15:10)
Subject: Re: My thoughts
From: 216.42.53.2
>1) No offense to the writer of this article or anything but correct me if I am wrong, I don't think he has made an emulator, so how can he understand the process of one? I haven't either so I really can't say alot. I do think what he is saying is symbolicly true to a certain degree though.

Well I know he's not talking from experience, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that there's a lot of work going behind Final Burn, any emulator or any elaborate piece of software for that matter. That's the whole point. Too much work, and too much hate mail.

JoseQ

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Name: JoseQ Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (14:33)
Subject: Here's something to put into perspective...
From: 216.42.53.2
For those of us who have a job and work full time:

Would you take so much 'crap' from your boss if he didn't have a check sent out to you every two weeks? What if he didn't pay you at all? Would you still do your job?

Mind you, 99% of the bosses out there are respectful and will not tell you things that the 'lamers' have told Dave, or myself. So imagine adding that into the formula.

JoseQ

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 Name: jus'joshin' Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (14:51)
Subject: Re: Here's something to put into perspective...
From: 64.209.134.135
JoseQ how do you know that's the real reason Dave left? Were you in his head at the time he made his descision. It could have been from"HUSH,HUSH" corporate threats!



>For those of us who have a job and work full time:
>
>Would you take so much 'crap' from your boss if he didn't have a check sent out to you every two weeks? What if he didn't pay you at all? Would you still do your job?
>
>Mind you, 99% of the bosses out there are respectful and will not tell you things that the 'lamers' have told Dave, or myself. So imagine adding that into the formula.
>
>JoseQ
>

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 Name: JoseQ Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (15:08)
Subject: Re: Re: Here's something to put into perspective...
From: 216.42.53.2
I know he was tired of it. You can read his later posts in the EV Message Board.

JoseQ

>JoseQ how do you know that's the real reason Dave left? Were you in his head at the time he made his descision. It could have been from"HUSH,HUSH" corporate threats!

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Name: Kurgan Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (13:14)
Subject: Too true..
From: 63.227.69.15
Some of the comments below are quite funny, in that some of the people think that by claiming if anyone ever criticized Final Burn or offered a legitimate suggestion, or even sent an email to Dave that they are somehow responsible for him quitting the scene.

Many of those same people are also insulting other emulators out there. Using their same logic, by criticizing Mame, CPS2Mame or Nebula or what have you, aren't they contributing to the destruction of "the scene" just as much as the people who "brought down" Final Burn by talking negatively about it?

And again the whole "$!@# you lamers" argument is pretty stupid too. Nobody owes you an emulator, so why should we care if Dave quit and you can't get one anymore? If you're so deserving of an emulator, why don't YOU go and code one yourself?

Or are you guys just as lame and you cant? Is it really true that everyone who is critical of any emulator or whatnot must be younger than you and spoiled? Maybe folks should remove the log stuck in their own eye before pointing out the spec in someone elses

Lets just stop getting so carried away with this

Dave decided to quit oh well life goes on


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 Name: {v_v} Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (13:43)
Subject: Re: Too true..
From: 208.50.80.71
I come to emuviews daily to get my news. I don't usually post on the msg boards but here goes.

People need to wise up, and leave the authors/coders alone. Like JoseQ says, it WASTES there time.

and if your so pissed at Dave for quitting, go code your own emu! That's all I have to say.....

later

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 Name: Kurgan Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (14:23)
Subject: Re: Re: Too true..
From: 63.227.69.15
Good call, I couldn't agree more.

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Name: Obi Wan Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (12:41)
Subject: An other perspective
From: 24.200.62.102
Well after reading for just about an hour (!), I realised there was one aspect no one talked about (that I know of).

Now I might be called a paranoid android but I'll give it a go anyways.

Now we all assume some of the nasty comments were made by 15 year old kids with shoddy education.

What if... what if someone or rather some group didn't like the fact that this emulation business is going on for free and would hapily see it go down in flames?

Mind you this is PURE SPECULATION and I have NO PROOF. It is just an idea. In fact I have a tough time believing this theory myself but I tought it might be interesting to share this with you.

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 Name: Kurgan Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (14:25)
Subject: Re: An other perspective
From: 63.227.69.15
I don't see the free emulation scene as being as threatening as say the sale of emu cd's on ebay or something, say to the companies that hold the copyrights on some of those games. But perhaps there is some ideolouge out there that says that if this stuff is free, it needs to be sabotaged. Would make a nice theory, but no evidence.. no proof. ; )

>Well after reading for just about an hour (!), I realised there was one aspect no one talked about (that I know of).
>
>Now I might be called a paranoid android but I'll give it a go anyways.
>
>Now we all assume some of the nasty comments were made by 15 year old kids with shoddy education.
>
>What if... what if someone or rather some group didn't like the fact that this emulation business is going on for free and would hapily see it go down in flames?
>
>Mind you this is PURE SPECULATION and I have NO PROOF. It is just an idea. In fact I have a tough time believing this theory myself but I tought it might be interesting to share this with you.
>
>

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Name: The Mighty Thor! Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (12:13)
Subject: errr
From: 198.142.5.232
Blaming peoples age is a bit silly. I'm 25 and been in the scene for about 5 years. I live at home. Mummy and daddy shelter me. I also am old enough to remember the colecovission system, having played Smurfs and that jumping jack game, whatever it was. I remember playing pitfall. I remember playing centipede on the old systems. Atari, C64, and all the arcae games down the road. I've never sent an email to an emu author, and I never plan to. I respect them all. Anyway, problem is nothing to do with age. It's to do with patience. Thats it. I know some people who are 30 and absolutely stupid to the core. If you want something badly, buy it. Otherwise sit back and wait.
Be happy you weren't charged for FB, like other emulators out there are. Everyone is dumb in this scenario. Move on and let Dave go off and do whatever he's doing. He'll probably return someday if you all shut up and he's in the frame of mind to screw abuot with coding again. Theres always one emulator thats better then the other in some way. But I only ever saw FB frequently updated. So that was pretty freaky to see an emu growing so quick. Might aswell go abuse Microsoft personally for not updating win98 fast enough, or the cops for not solving crimes fast enough. Oh wait...you'd probably get charged or something if you did that.. What a shame that would be.. Wake up and treat an author with respect. And if you cant do that, then don't pay them attention and go to one of your other precious emus and flame them to speed up their progress. Anyway, I'm gonna go play some up to date games on my pc or consoles untill the older stuff are emulated cause I am too dumb to do it myself. I'll always shake me head in amazement at all the emu authors out there for being able to bring back some magic from my childhood.

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 Name: Spiderman Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - (9:30)
Subject: Re: errr
From: 209.239.68.213
yes i agree with you that age is not a factor here
all so i agree with you that patienc is the most inportent factor here i jumped on the CPS2 badn wagon when it just stated to try to brake the code and ever day i when to cps2shock and looked at their page so age is not a factor here and we all must be pariant and just shut up and wait for the peole to do their thing when ever they whant to.










>Blaming peoples age is a bit silly. I'm 25 and been in the scene for about 5 years. I live at home. Mummy and daddy shelter me. I also am old enough to remember the colecovission system, having played Smurfs and that jumping jack game, whatever it was. I remember playing pitfall. I remember playing centipede on the old systems. Atari, C64, and all the arcae games down the road. I've never sent an email to an emu author, and I never plan to. I respect them all. Anyway, problem is nothing to do with age. It's to do with patience. Thats it. I know some people who are 30 and absolutely stupid to the core. If you want something badly, buy it. Otherwise sit back and wait.
>Be happy you weren't charged for FB, like other emulators out there are. Everyone is dumb in this scenario. Move on and let Dave go off and do whatever he's doing. He'll probably return someday if you all shut up and he's in the frame of mind to screw abuot with coding again. Theres always one emulator thats better then the other in some way. But I only ever saw FB frequently updated. So that was pretty freaky to see an emu growing so quick. Might aswell go abuse Microsoft personally for not updating win98 fast enough, or the cops for not solving crimes fast enough. Oh wait...you'd probably get charged or something if you did that.. What a shame that would be.. Wake up and treat an author with respect. And if you cant do that, then don't pay them attention and go to one of your other precious emus and flame them to speed up their progress. Anyway, I'm gonna go play some up to date games on my pc or consoles untill the older stuff are emulated cause I am too dumb to do it myself. I'll always shake me head in amazement at all the emu authors out there for being able to bring back some magic from my childhood.
>

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Name: Enigma Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (11:05)
Subject: Quit making emu for loyal users
From: 65.194.129.49
What about all the decent people who praise and compliment Dave on all his hard work. We know coding a emu is a bitch and are thankfull for all the hard work!!!!Now he discontinues it and says $!@#you to all his loyal emu users who love his emy...Just isn,t $!@#ing right!!!!

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 Name: JoseQ Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (14:31)
Subject: Re: Quit making emu for loyal users
From: 216.42.53.2
We're just the innocent bystanders.

JoseQ

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 Name: Kurgan Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (18:56)
Subject: Re: Re: Quit making emu for loyal users
From: 63.227.69.15
Exactly. It sounds like this was between Dave and a few people he didn't like.

>We're just the innocent bystanders.
>
>JoseQ
>

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 Name: Kurgan Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (14:30)
Subject: Re: Quit making emu for loyal users
From: 63.227.69.15
It can definately be seen that way. I concure with Tim Eckel's appraisal of the first "Final Burn" incident (removal of all of the CPS2 games without any kind of explanation).. that when an author seeks to "punish" lamers, using his free product as a weapon, he hurts his own fans as well as those who he seeks to teach a lesson.

When Dave snubs them, he snubs people like us too. If it's so important to send the lamers a message, he sends quite another to the rest of the community. I speculated at the time that perhaps Dave, knowing full well that many would "turn on" the lamers (ie: threaten them, cuss them out on forums, etc) that this was a good way to teach them a lesson. Personally he can do what he wants, but I feel if I was in his situation, I'd do things differently and wouldn't take it so personally.

But, as I've said many times, it's just a free emulator, something we all can live without, so it's not a big loss either way. If he couldn't see all the people who DID apperciate his work (but maybe didn't feel like heaping praise on him in email constantly), then maybe he was in the wrong 'business' to begin with...

It was nice while it lasted.. Thanks Dave, see ya later.

>What about all the decent people who praise and compliment Dave on all his hard work. We know coding a emu is a bitch and are thankfull for all the hard work!!!!Now he discontinues it and says $!@#you to all his loyal emu users who love his emy...Just isn,t $!@#ing right!!!!
>

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 Name: danny boy Posted: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 - (19:24)
Subject: Re: Re: Quit making emu for loyal users
From: host62-7-86-9.btinternet.com
Well it's right it's wrong who knows.WHATEVER artistic endeavours we take in life we're gonna get shot down by the lamers .Daves cool and should listen to all sides but know when to disregard crit/praise and also when to gain a sense of accomplishment when something good comes his way through his endeavours. I wish him well and hope he continues with his work as I for one think all the emu Krew rock.Take heart Dave don't let the ########### grind ya down but try not to punish the TRUE BELIEVERS (hahha)as we thought you were on to something good!

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Name: freak Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (10:57)
Subject:
From: 62.7.177.6
The article's correct, if you spend too much time on something you can lose your days working on it and forget all around you. The rubbish Dave was being sent must only have helped to lock him into the loop further and made it harder to get out. Well done to the article writer and Dave for kicking the habit... it can be like crack sometimes.


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 Name: Kurgan Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (14:32)
Subject: Re:
From: 63.227.69.15
Of course nobody asked Dave to start being a workaholic and releasing a new version every day. I assume if he did it he WANTED to do it, and if he quit, he WANTED to quit. Nobody forced him to do anything. If he was getting paid and then somebody fired him, then I can see placing blame, otherwise it was his free choice in both cases.

>The article's correct, if you spend too much time on something you can lose your days working on it and forget all around you. The rubbish Dave was being sent must only have helped to lock him into the loop further and made it harder to get out. Well done to the article writer and Dave for kicking the habit... it can be like crack sometimes.
>
>
>

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Name: mink Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (10:34)
Subject:
From: 198.142.192.208
i just wanna put this into perspective
WHERE TALKING ABOUT FRIKKEN COMPUTER GAMES

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 Name: Computer Guy Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (10:49)
Subject: Re:
From: 64.228.80.82
>i just wanna put this into perspective
>WHERE TALKING ABOUT FRIKKEN COMPUTER GAMES
>
And Frikken computer games are made by frikken smart people, if your so smart why not get a taste of what there going through and make one your self.

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 Name: danny boy Posted: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 - (19:46)
Subject: Re: Re:
From: host62-7-86-9.btinternet.com
Me again.Ive just given up stimulants and Pang
has been the best therapy one could every ask for
also Gemini Wing is quite beutiful i've always loved games they sharpen the reflexes and I see them as akin to music in expanding the minds thought processes. So come on nothing is JUST anything when so much intelligence has gone into
its production and in their own way they mirror the game that is life and have helped usher in this new technological age.We all kOde now,think
about it, it's as important a part of history as
Babbages difference engine in my eyes as it opned the door to the possibilities of what we see around us today.Hey if we didn't have Space Invaders where would nanotechnology be today.Only joking but from little acorns do great oaks grow?
I mean do we go around dissing Chess,it's just a
frikken game.

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 Name: mink Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - (10:54)
Subject: Re: Re:
From: 198.142.192.106
>>i just wanna put this into perspective
>>WHERE TALKING ABOUT FRIKKEN COMPUTER GAMES
>>
>And Frikken computer games are made by frikken smart people, if your so smart why not get a taste of what there going through and make one your self.
>
huh did you miss my entire point
im saying all this flamage,death threats,finger pointing and these massive debates are over arcade games....do any of you see what utter B.S this is

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 Name: Kurgan Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (14:33)
Subject: Re: Re:
From: 63.227.69.15
'course there's a difference between making games from scratch and merely emulating games that have been around for years... not saying it's easy, but it's definately different.

>>i just wanna put this into perspective
>>WHERE TALKING ABOUT FRIKKEN COMPUTER GAMES
>>
>And Frikken computer games are made by frikken smart people, if your so smart why not get a taste of what there going through and make one your self.
>

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Name: User Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (5:52)
Subject: Final Burn runs DD2
From: 216.34.244.8
Nomatter what happened, go to emumania and you will find answers in running dd2 in Final Burn. Nice stuff!!!

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 Name: Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (9:08)
Subject: Re: Final Burn runs DD2
From: 211.2.147.208
>Nomatter what happened, go to emumania and you will find answers in running dd2 in Final Burn. Nice stuff!!!
>

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Name: User Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (5:50)
Subject: Final Burn runs DD2
From: 216.34.244.106
Nomatter what happened, go to emumania and you will find answers in running dd2 in Final Burn. Nice stuff!!!

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Name: test Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (5:38)
Subject:
From: 212.205.218.212
Nomatter what happened, go to emumania and you will find answers in running cps2 roms in final burn

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Name: Atomic skull Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (5:11)
Subject: Question
From: 24.16.44.82
>Do you happen to be the dude who makes naked anime girls in 3D?
>

Yes.. why?

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Name: what are you looking at ugly? Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (5:05)
Subject: get stuffed
From: 203.58.22.131
who gives a crap one way or the other?

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Name: Evasis Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (4:55)
Subject: Stupid Melodrama
From: 24.76.121.156
That's all this little deal is. I have used Final Burn a few times and it's a good emu. If Dave wants to stop making it that's his decision.

HOWEVER

If he says he is stopping because of e-mail, then he should simply NOT ACCEPT EMAIL ANYMORE.

Emu users are not a good beta test audience and Dave should not think that he can 'control' them. There will always be true assholes, there will always be a majority of newbies and lamers.

Make no mistake, this is melodrama. If Dave doesn't want to make the emu, he shouldn't. If dave wants to make the emu and not release it publically, that is also reasonable. But he should not let the lameness of "the scene," which is an uncontrollable, unchangeable fact, destroy something he has obviously worked so hard at.

Obviously I'm sorry to see a good emu end, but I'm more concerned that Dave would let lamers bully him rather than adopting a less friendly approach.

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 Name: Computer Guy Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (10:57)
Subject: Re: Stupid Melodrama
From: 64.228.80.82
>That's all this little deal is. I have used Final Burn a few times and it's a good emu. If Dave wants to stop making it that's his decision.
>
>HOWEVER
>
>If he says he is stopping because of e-mail, then he should simply NOT ACCEPT EMAIL ANYMORE.
>
>Emu users are not a good beta test audience and Dave should not think that he can 'control' them. There will always be true assholes, there will always be a majority of newbies and lamers.
>
>Make no mistake, this is melodrama. If Dave doesn't want to make the emu, he shouldn't. If dave wants to make the emu and not release it publically, that is also reasonable. But he should not let the lameness of "the scene," which is an uncontrollable, unchangeable fact, destroy something he has obviously worked so hard at.
>
>Obviously I'm sorry to see a good emu end, but I'm more concerned that Dave would let lamers bully him rather than adopting a less friendly approach.
>
>Yes, I also agree. Why let the public control Dave of what they want or ruin the EMU scene, if they don't like it then SHOVE IT. Let see one of the LAMERS make a emu of their own and let us Flame them. Probabaly the're laid off from work or either riased by their rich Mommies and Daddies that they had no time to teach them the birds and bees, enuff Bullsh!t Metafores. Let Get real, If the Author decides to quit, then quit, just state either no more intrest. No time? BS take five for a candy bar, go to the johns for a wee, that's take off, its not that you don't have time, its just you don't WANT TO STOP, right? Please in the future for all Authors, PLS PLS PLS Retreat in Silence, Better done in Silence, then you can come back with a BANG! and gone with with wind....

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Name: A thoroughly disappointed chap. Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (4:00)
Subject: Take heed.
From: 195.65.214.144
Gentlemen, can we now give this a rest?

It is all getting rather childish, abusive and more offensive by the day. We have threats to beat Dave up, we have a loony threatening to pump all of the lamers full of lead (which does nothing for the stereo-type images the Europeans may already have of the Americans), but worst of all, the whole tone of these postings (and site) has been lowered to the ranks of the gutter thanks to the disgusting language being used. This debate has obviously become quite heated, but let's try and stay civilised without the obscenities. Stop and think about the other developers who may be reading this, and ask what they may think about such an ungrateful and unruly mob making threats and slanderous remarks. I think the damage may be irreparable, don't you?

Whilst it is wonderful to have a medium whereby everybody can vent their frustrations, now is the time to "nip it in the bud".

Gentlemen please act accordingly.....

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 Name: DiTTo Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (22:32)
Subject: Re: Take heed.
From: 208.165.47.96
>Gentlemen, can we now give this a rest?
>
>It is all getting rather childish, abusive and more offensive by the day. We have threats to beat Dave up...
>Whilst it is wonderful to have a medium whereby everybody can vent their frustrations, now is the time to "nip it in the bud".
>
>Gentlemen please act accordingly.....

Well said! At least someone has the right idea. Shut up and go play yer little games already! This topic has been abused enough.

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Name: Lorne MacInnes Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (3:10)
Subject: Final Burn
From: 207.194.174.155
FINAL BURN is the best emu out there. Dave picked the best and origional games to emulate! After Burner 2, and Marvel Comics VS Super Heros. My pc is a piece of junk but final burn made it feel like a ferarri! Thank you so much Dave and all the programers out there for bringing my teenage years bak to life. I spent hundreds of dollars in arcades in the eighties and now I get all those games for free! It must be a dream. I will enjoy the games I do have and will always be greatful. Thank you!
AND to all you weiners out there who tore down Dave's Spirit...May God have Mercy on your souls

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 Name: Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (3:37)
Subject: Re: Final Burn
From: 142.165.70.131
Well, its terribly sad that Final Burn is gone. It controls well, needs very little hardware to run, and can be played in a small window. I'd like to join the many fans of the emulator to truly thank Dave for his efforts, and the great emulator he provided. Once again, thanks Dave for the best CPS2 emulator to date.

Oh...and for all of you that made criticsms towards Final Burn, or its creator...I'd like to offer this giant !@#$ YOU. It's idiots like you that endanger the emulation gaming community, by bogging down authors (who aren't paid) with your uneducated commentary and dumb questions. Oh, and a special !@#$ YOU to the idiot who said in his commentary below that MAME will solve all of our CPS2 problems. MAME is a great emulator, but requires way maore machine to run ROMS. Besides, with the quality of Final Burn, it was clear that there was room for more than one CPS2 emulator. As well, the fact that Dave was adding a game or two every COUPLE OF DAYS should impress the fact on people that he truly worked hard, for the benefit of those of us who love the old school games, and hoped to see newer CPS2 releases. I only hope that MAME can catch up to the brilliance that was Final Burn. Don't get me wrong, I love MAME, but Final Burn was also fantastic. Thanks for your time Dave...and I hope to run into any of your critics in dark alley with no witnesses...

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Name: NeoKyo Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (2:09)
Subject: $!@#!final burn was unreal,DAVE WAS GOD
From: 203.134.156.244
this was one of thebest emulators for any system i have ever used
$!@#ing cps 2 mame my ass
what ever lamer brought finalburn down i got a XM1014 shotty ready to take em down
this emulator was simple,fast and was based in windows so u could actually use your sidewinder gamepads
ye alright,i know playing the game is a nice bonus that comes from emulating a game.
He leaded the CPS2 emulation era
his emulator supported such classic games such as MHS,Xmen cota,sfa2
and SFVXM
finalburn ..........was........perfect.
to all yo lamers out there who think dave is a $!@#ed up sh!t
ill fill u full of lead

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Name: Nephrite Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (2:04)
Subject: Final Burn
From: 209.251.11.79
Oh well. In my opinon CPS2 emu wasnt a big deal. There are already great ports of *most* of them.I was more interested in the Sega stuff anyway. No one seems to care about system 16, 18 or 24 at the moment. (good thing we have guys like Richter Belmont on System 32)

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 Name: Mirror Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (22:41)
Subject: Re: Final Burn
From: 208.165.47.96
>Oh well. In my opinon CPS2 emu wasnt a big deal. There are already great ports of *most* of them.I was more interested in the Sega stuff anyway. No one seems to care about system 16, 18 or 24 at the moment. (good thing we have guys like Richter Belmont on System 32)
>

Sure it "wasn't a big deal" to you, as obviously you haven't got the brains to do it, let alone comprehend how difficult it is. Emulation is basically coding hardware. You have no clue how difficult it really is, and your "no big deal" comment proves it. Most people posting in this forum haven't got any idea of the difficulties of coding even a most basic emulator. Cripes, I write code for a living and I don't understand how emulation coding is done. For a non-programmer to say it's no big deal... well, you just have no clue. And you never will. It's like saying that building a car from scratch is "no big deal" just because you drive one to work every day. You have no room to talk unless you've coded a CPS2 emulator yourself. And if you had, there's no way you'd say it was "no big deal" because you'd most certainly know better. It IS a big deal, more so than you'll ever know.

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 Name: Takis Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (23:36)
Subject: Re: Re: Final Burn
From: 172.139.3.158
Minnor Correction.
CPS2 is about decryption, not hardware programming. CPS programming was done by Callus

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 Name: Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (3:35)
Subject: Final Burn
From: 195.65.214.153
No one is interested in your opinion. Do some great coding and then give your opinion - you twat.

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 Name: Nephrite Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - (15:30)
Subject: Re: Final Burn
From: 209.251.11.57
>No one is interested in your opinion. Do some great coding and then give your opinion - you twat.
>

I DO Code you $!@#wad, but CPS2 doesnt interest me! Heaven forbid that I dont worship Cps2 SHIT of which IS NOT RARE and I can find in any arcade!
Dave is a great programmer, but EMULATING Cps2 wasnt too tough, DECRYPTING the roms was the challenge!


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 Name: Nephrite Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - (15:30)
Subject: Re: Final Burn
From: 209.251.11.57
>No one is interested in your opinion. Do some great coding and then give your opinion - you twat.
>

I DO Code you $!@#wad, but CPS2 doesnt interest me! Heaven forbid that I dont worship Cps2 SHIT of which IS NOT RARE and I can find in any arcade!
Dave is a great programmer, but EMULATING Cps2 wasnt too tough, DECRYPTING the roms was the challenge!


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Name: duhmez Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (1:22)
Subject: Vagina!
From: 207.194.69.162
!! Yup! Stink vagina! ummm!

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 Name: Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (11:01)
Subject: Re: Vagina!
From: 64.228.80.82
Hey man!, your should be in www.freeporn.com go there quick or you'll miss more stick VXXXXXa

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 Name: Posted: Friday, February 27, 2004 - (19:08)
Subject: Re: Re: Vagina!
From: tnt-15-145.easynet.co.uk
>Hey man!, your should be in www.freeporn.com go there quick or you'll miss more stick VXXXXXa
>

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 Name: Posted: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 - (14:54)
Subject: Re: Re: Vagina!
From: 65.171.11.189
>Hey man!, your should be in www.freeporn.com go there quick or you'll miss more stick VXXXXXa
>

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 Name: Posted: Monday, May 17, 2004 - (1:56)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Vagina!
From: 140.west-valley-10rh15rt.ut.dial-access.att.net
>>Hey man!, your should be in www.freeporn.com go there quick or you'll miss more stick VXXXXXa
>>
>

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 Name: Posted: Saturday, June 26, 2004 - (0:23)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vagina!
From: 180.dallas-14rh16rt-15rh15rt.tx.dial-access.att.net
>>>Hey man!, your should be in www.freeporn.com go there quick or you'll miss more stick VXXXXXa
>>>
>>
>

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 Name: dx Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (17:29)
Subject: Re: Re: Vagina!
From: 212.137.177.59
>Hey man!, your should be in www.freeporn.com go there quick or you'll miss more stick VXXXXXa
>


!@#$ you pdaphile

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 Name: Posted: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 - (16:17)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Vagina!
From: pcp04975992pcs.brodwy01.nm.comcast.net
>>Hey man!, your should be in www.freeporn.com go there quick or you'll miss more stick VXXXXXa
>>
>
>
>!@#$ you pdaphile
>

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 Name: Posted: Saturday, May 22, 2004 - (2:32)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Vagina!
From: pcp04357461pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net
>>Hey man!, your should be in www.freeporn.com go there quick or you'll miss more stick VXXXXXa
>>
>
>
>!@#$ you pdaphile
>

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 Name: DIDE Posted: Friday, May 21, 2004 - (13:13)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Vagina!
From: 209.247.222.101
>>Hey man!, your should be in www.freeporn.com go there quick or you'll miss more stick VXXXXXa
>>
>
>
>!@#$ you pdaphile
>

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 Name: me Posted: Saturday, November 22, 2003 - (19:37)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Vagina!
From: webcachew05b.cache.pol.co.uk
>>Hey man!, your should be in www.freeporn.com go there quick or you'll miss more stick VXXXXXa
>>
>
>
>!@#$ you pdaphile
>

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 Name: Posted: Wednesday, June 9, 2004 - (17:35)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vagina!
From: cache-mtc-ad02.proxy.aol.com
>>>Hey man!, your should be in www.freeporn.com go there quick or you'll miss more stick VXXXXXa
>>>
>>
>>
>>!@#$ you pdaphile
>>
>

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 Name: Posted: Tuesday, June 1, 2004 - (7:22)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vagina!
From: h000bdb53ee22.ne.client2.attbi.com
>>>Hey man!, your should be in www.freeporn.com go there quick or you'll miss more stick VXXXXXa
>>>
>>
>>
>>!@#$ you pdaphile
>>
>

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 Name: Posted: Sunday, September 21, 2003 - (15:48)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Vagina!
From: user-3960.tcl27.dsl.pol.co.uk
>>Hey man!, your should be in www.freeporn.com go there quick or you'll miss more stick VXXXXXa
>>
>
>
>!@#$ you pdaphile
>

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 Name: Posted: Monday, February 9, 2004 - (23:01)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vagina!
From: d198-53-155-159.abhsia.telus.net
>>>Hey man!, your should be in www.freeporn.com go there quick or you'll miss more stick VXXXXXa
>>>
>>
>>
>>!@#$ you pdaphile
>>
>

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 Name: Posted: Monday, February 9, 2004 - (23:00)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vagina!
From: d198-53-155-159.abhsia.telus.net
>>>Hey man!, your should be in www.freeporn.com go there quick or you'll miss more stick VXXXXXa
>>>
>>
>>
>>!@#$ you pdaphile
>>
>

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Name: Walk Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (1:04)
Subject: This is crazy
From: 64.12.105.157
All these posts are the same, and we all know that lamers brought down Final Burn and we all heard every different opinion about Dave imaginable..i read in this article the various things an emulator author can do to quiet or ignore the lamers, my question is..i know everyone got to Dave, but what about other emu's?...im sure they put up with a lot of crap, but while some retire..others march on, i'd like to hear a few more opinions from some other authors about how they fight off lamers and keep going..and while Dave must've bene flamed like a barbeque, im sure the Mame team has taken their share of abuse, i mean they must recieve millions of rom requests from everyone and their brother.
~just a thought.

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Name: caprikron316 Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (0:46)
Subject: "emulation community"
From: 208.50.50.38
It saddens me that yet another emulator got flushed down the virtual toilet. I don't know if I'm more sick of the authors having to quit because of the lamers, or the lamers themselves. I remember when Nesticle, Genecyst, ZSNES, Gensx, and NeorageX each came out. All of those were great emulators that got killed prematurely.

I wish that I had the skills to be able to code my own emulator. Though I doubt that I would share it with the world, unless it was completely done. Then I would release one version and be done with it.

The community has really turned into a witch hunt. Lamers always hunting down emu authors and burning them at the stake before their emulator matures. Final Burn was just starting to be something great, ie. Nesticle and Impact. I love the old games and play them as often as possible. Just having something new and exciting was reason enough for me to keep up with the emu scene. CPS2 kept me going for the last year and a half when CPS2Shock announced they were going to work on the encryption scheme. I always had faith in them. Just didn't think it would happen so quickly.

This fiasco is surprisingly worse than when the Neo Geo first got emulated. I've never seen so many lamers asking for ROMs on all the sites. Especially for the newer games that were just coming out.

Anyways, to any new and old emu authors, there are people out there that respect your work. We just know to be quiet and enjoy your hard work.

PS. I'm 24 years old and love Pac-Man, Tron and just about any shooter.

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Name: Carlo$ Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (0:35)
Subject: Dave is GOD
From: 194.138.17.181
I think Dave is a GOD. Only fuccking morons who ask's like this "Why dóesn't function this...." "Where can I dowload the roms"....etc. Thi people are killing so much emulators. Especial much Americana's are stupid for this. !@#$ You again!!!

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Name: Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (23:43)
Subject:
From: 165.247.48.251
SOMEONE needs to beat dave into a bloody mess! Dave you suck you egotisitcal $!@#ing prick! MAME will pERFECT cps2 so stop thinking you are god, you are FAR from it. YOu are the $!@#ing asshole who gave your email out. SHUT THE !@#$ UP ALREADY!!!!!!

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 Name: Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (3:42)
Subject: Re:
From: 195.65.214.153
Someone needs to beat you "into a mess". If you are so immature as to post messages suggesting a beating is appropriate treatment, then I would take great pleasure in obliging with you on the receiving end. You are a moron, and I will personally have great pleasure in inflicting injuries on your ugly face.

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 Name: Snake/Nick Spolec Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (0:05)
Subject: Re:
From: 63.78.224.10
Idiot Poster above me,

You are a $!@#ing moron.

Is that understandable? Is that clear?

I'm sick of people like you.

Everyone says Dave is "egotistical". But I don't get it. Maybe it is just me? I don't see how all you idiots invented this idea he is "egotistical".

Really.

But, I guess that is how it goes. Little emulator-babies like the idiot that posted above me, they got mad at Dave for not releasing a new Final Burn with more games supported every hour, so they go on the message boards and start to call him "stuck-up" and that he has a big "ego". It's pathetic. Really $!@#ing pathetic.

I don't know Dave. I'm sure none of you do. So I wouldn't go around making judgements on him. But, maybe I am the only one. See, when idiots like the one above don't get their way (like they deserve it in the first place), they resort to attacking and flaming. They will make up crap just to justify whatever little sh!t they have to. And I'm sure that is another reason he quit. All the bullsh*t mis-judgements on who he is. This guy wastes his time so you all can enjoy some good games, and you call him an "ego-maniac"? Where is the $!@#ing common sense in this day and age?!

!@#$ing assholes.


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 Name: Dustin Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (12:43)
Subject: Re: Re:
From: 140.192.15.103
Oh yeah, I couldn't give a sh!t about Final Burn being canceled, if it was the only CPS2 emu out there maybe I would.

The idea is that what we know about Dave is what he has done and said. Thats enough for me to judge him by. This whole thing is basically his fault, and for the most part it is his fault that it has had such a huge impact on the emulation scene. Bitch whine bitch bitch whine, is all I see.

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 Name: Mad at the Lamers Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (22:51)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: :eR :eR :eR
From: 208.165.47.96
>Oh yeah, I couldn't give a sh!t about Final Burn being canceled, if it was the only CPS2 emu out there maybe I would.
>

That's the whole idea, you clueless idiot. A few months ago it WAS the only CPS2 emulator out there. And now it's gone. And your attitude is "so what there's other ones". So what, it's ok to piss off the authors of them too as long as SOMEONE keeps writing code so you can play your games? I swear, I'd love to see emulation authors stop publishing ANYTHING for a year. MAME, everything - just STOP. Then maybe, just maybe some of you friggin' idiots would appreciate what you have. "Don't know what you've got till it's gone"... well I say make 'em all disappear and the self-centered whiny people will FINALLY get a clue. You people have everything handed to you. You didn't pay for it, didn't do the research, didn't fight with the code, you gave no input, yet you think you actually deserve something. I wish you'd get exactly what you deserve - NOTHING AT ALL.

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 Name: Dustin Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (12:40)
Subject: Re: Re:
From: 140.192.15.103
You should look up egotistical buddy, I'm not sure you know what it means. Dave fits the bill.

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Name: BLacK_OuT Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (23:07)
Subject: Hmmm....
From: 216.117.103.190
Who here besides me is sick of seeing this whole conflict between the various people go around and around? I got bored with this thread in about 5 posts because they are all basically one of 2 messages...

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 Name: Dustin Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (12:43)
Subject: Re: Hmmm....
From: 140.192.15.103
True

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Name: eDge_Master Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (21:14)
Subject: Well Done
From: 62.7.80.252
Thanks Dave, If you read this, Final burn is a great emu with support for some great games, well done.

www.vm2.co.uk

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Name: Ian Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (21:12)
Subject: beter late than never
From: 62.253.128.5
Wow .. i realy can't believe what i am reading :(
This Guy spends his spare time writing final burn FOR HIS OWN PLEASURE !!!
and then he dicides to share his progress at regular intervals with everyone ...and he gets slated : (
"scratches head in puzzlement"
dave ..i dont know you atall ...but i choose to call you friend :)
take care mate and thanks for giving me & others the chance at playing some of them roms on my nowhere near upto scratch pc : )

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Name: Jack Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (20:37)
Subject: emu authors
From: 63.215.235.11
I think that the authors should either
not give out email addresses, or should
pick only a few emails to get feedback.
I also think that messageboards and irc do
way more harm than good.

When the fun is gone, time to change direction!

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Name: WindDrake Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (20:24)
Subject: This whole issue`
From: 152.163.194.189
To Dave, thanks for the memories man, you had the best, fastest, easiest to use emu for CPS2 to date, and you even emulated the coveted Afterburner and Afterburner 2 (Remember Afterburneremu?) Have fun whatever your doing now, rather it being emulation related or not. And to all the uninformed, a lamer is someone who gets on there sh!tty little computer, and expects a world of software at thier feet for free, they want something for nothing, and when they find out they cant get it, they bitch, and moan and groan cuz there to 31337 ph0r 4ll j00 pp1z. Idiots. This scene is going all to hell in a handbasket if this keeps up. And the real fans of emulation, who used it as a way to have fun, to relive childhood memories, will laugh there asses off when it actually goes down in flames, along with the warez kiddies and there "31337" attitudes. Regardless, this scene is changing, and if we dont do something, and if attitudes dont change, we're gonna see more great authors, like Dave, Sardu, RealityMan, ect... Go and quit, just leave it all behind. And who will be left? Noone. Emulation will die, and we'll be stuck with maybe 1 or 2 emulators that still get updated. Fun stuff eh? *Recollects thoughs after straining rant* Anyways, to all Emulator authors out there who cant stand the sh!t that Internet-life throws at you, Remember, SILENCE IS GOLDEN!!!! eMail is a curse and a blessing all in its own, for the love of god, if ya need feedback, go on IRC!!!!!! Atleast you can change nicks, and just dissappear! Good luck Dave, whatever your doing now!

FB4EVER!!!

-WindDrake

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Name: Parn Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (19:21)
Subject: well.. some ppl just dont get it
From: 145.236.171.12
OK, I cut it short.. to all the badasses out there, who spoiled not only this project, but a whole bunch of emulation... hmm.. ever thought about waiting?

You COULD wait for that godforsaken FX chip for the snes, AND n64... so why in hell did you have to rush it now?

K, I have lotsa fav games as well, but how odd, I can wait.. I hope you guys learn to wait, or we may loose more fantastic projects like FinalBurn

and thanx Dave!

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 Name: Mr. Jay Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (19:46)
Subject: Sorry to hear this and Thanks Dave.
From: 24.167.16.243
I hope this is a lesson and for some of the users out there to have the patience to wait until a emulator project is completed or updated and quite bothering the authors. Now Dave who to me has done an excellent job on the final burn emulator got burned out and dumped the project. So to all the users that troubled dave well looks like you can now enjoy the roms final burn will support with no more rom updates. Thanks Dave for all the hard work put into the Final Burn project and all the roms that you made possible for play support. Enjoy all the free time you have now to relax doing whatever.

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 Name: Twigboy Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (19:45)
Subject: Finalburn Game Over
From: 205.188.200.24
Thanks for your emulator,I think you did an exellent job intergrating the controls and sound along with a easy to use format.I will miss it. Bye for now.

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Name: Runako Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (19:16)
Subject: many many thanks
From: 209.94.200.93
Dave gave so much of his time towards pleasing you people. Even my lil bro who's 12 understands that you shouldnt terrorize authors. Damn! you guys are immature assholes!

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Name: Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (19:14)
Subject:
From: 166.102.67.39
I am 32 myself. I fully stand by my earlier post that it's
lamers in their teens and 20's that keep bugging the emulator
authors with stupid e-mails. Seriously, just take time and
READ the letters sent to Dave. I work in a retail store near
a college and I deal with college and high school kids daily
and those letters sounds just like those whiny smoked-up losers.
When you read a post that says: "dude, your emulator sux more
than this other emulator over here and you better e-mail me some
romz or we'll come over and totally kick your ass", do you really
think that is comming from some mature person with a life? No,
99% of the time, it's comming from someone still living at home,
and everything they have ever owned has been given to them by
daddy, their car, their computer, and their dope money. I know
it's a stereotype, but it's the way it is.

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Name: Vulture Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (19:12)
Subject: best wishes
From: 212.205.217.94
ummm.... just in case Dave reads these msgs, I'd like to wish him good luck to whatever he decides to do next, emulation (I doubt it) or not - finalburn is just the best/fastest cps2 emu out there right now. I only wish he would release the sources so, other people can benefit from further developement while he won't have to spend his time on it.

Cheers!

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Name: lancerous Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (19:05)
Subject: uhhhh
From: 24.130.200.140
All this over video games? Some people just need to unplug.

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 Name: Reality Checked Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (23:04)
Subject: Re: uhhhh
From: 208.165.47.96
>All this over video games? Some people just need to unplug.
>

Unfortunately, it's all over attitudes. Video games was just the catalyst. It's bigger than that. Its the whole "gimme gimme gimme" attitude that these losers have. I wish it were only over video games. Instead, it just goes to show where we're at as a society. And frankly, the picture is pretty bleak.

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Name: dx Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (18:58)
Subject: FINAL BURN
From: 212.137.190.82
WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN???
Dave stopped making final burn weeks ago. Too many fools asking for roms and cursing him. Can't blame him but I home he changes his mind. Too many fools on the internet that can't read the fine print of finalburn.

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Name: Mclane Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (18:42)
Subject: My god!
From: 62.7.249.6

I hope not many other emu authors read these threads since there are some totally spoilt and truly ungrateful individuals out there.

FACT: If you can't write your own emulator then be bloody happy that someone has.

FACT: Emu authors don't get paid, why treat them like they owe you something.

FACT: It's your PC, learn how to bloody well use it...

FACT: If someone is doing you a favour you do NOT abuse it.

FANTASY: Emu writers have nothing better to do than feed your need.

So far the only thing I have seen apart from the normal folk who are like minded is that the 'idiot' brigade have seen there are other CPS2 emulators out there...

How long before your idiots spoil them???

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Name: Elricko Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (18:25)
Subject: Good Article!
From: 64.231.198.100
I first got into emulators 1n 1998 (3 years ago) and since i've played tons of games on tons of consoles in my chilhood, i really liked it a lot. The premise of playing all those games on my computer was too good to be true! But it was! Because of guys like Dave. As time passed by, they've helped my computer skills. And now after having a little coding knowledge i am more in awe than never seeing the work those guys did and still do.
I dont play the games anymore (not enough time) but i did tried a lot of versions of final burn just to see the holy grail of emulation in action: CPS2! That was something!
So just thinking someone could send those kind of emails to emu authors chills me. I mean those people just want to be bad with no other profits than destruction, the perfect description of what i call an asshole!

I will stop now and want to take this stand to thanks all the emu authors for the hard work and wonderful benefit for us, user. THANKS!!!

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Name: riep Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (18:08)
Subject: shut up
From: 200.52.197.90
ok,maybe Dave is a lamer, but the final burn emulator have changed the emuscene forever...

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Name: Superfly Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (17:49)
Subject: Damn CPS
From: 196.25.109.30
I wish CPS2 emulation never started in the first place. I have never ever in all my years in emulation seen people going for each other throats like this before.(Well not this bad, actually) Sorry guys and gals, but I am quite happy playing Double Dragon and Dragon ninja etc. on Mame. CPS2 is to recent to emulate anyway.

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Name: Poo9 Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (17:42)
Subject: Dave, Many Thanks
From: 192.9.25.11
I assume that there are some other great CPS2 emus out there. I don't know for sure since Final Burn does exactly what I want, it is beautiful and I've never felt any urge to use anything else.
As for everything that people are saying here... Dave did this for fun, he didn't get paid, he should only have continued as long as he felt like it. He owes us nothing, we should be grateful to him for releasing his personal work and allowing us to enjoy it.
and, in case Dave is reading this:
thank you so much. I have played and enjoyed Final Burn, I will continue to do so. I am glad that you quit, you don't owe anything to anyone and I much prefer to think that the guy who gave me so much happiness is actually enjoying some happiness himself.

One last comment, because reading a lot of these posts has really pissed me off:
I am guessing that you could sort these posts based on submitter's age, you'd see the negative ones sinking to the bottom of the age range. Those who are demanding and bitching, that kind of behavior can only be described as infantile.

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Name: Dayvee Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (17:35)
Subject: Myself
From: 209.105.155.54
I read the whole of your messages (most of them being very stupid), and I came straight to this simple conclusion: it was a very good idea to quit developing my emu. After all, Nebula is going to kick some serious ass, isn't it? Well, enjoy then, you damn $!@#ing kiddie lamers. And now, please never disturb me anymore.

Yours hatefully,
Dayvee

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 Name: Jogn Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (19:52)
Subject: Re: Myself
From: 165.247.43.194
Yeah ok loser. GO $!@# yourself, like anyone is going to believe you are Dave. Do me a favor and suck a dick, shut the $!@# up and get a life.

PS you are pathetic

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 Name: Superfly Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (17:41)
Subject: Yeah right
From: 196.25.109.30
No way you are Dayvee dude. Just doesn't sound like you.

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 Name: Dorsola Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (20:55)
Subject: Re: Yeah right
From: 12.46.137.2
>No way you are Dayvee dude. Just doesn't sound like you.

Dave did say earlier on that he would choose a "suitably random" nickname to participate in the boards again in the future, and he said that any new posts under his name were to be considered fakes.

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Name: TK421 Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (16:56)
Subject: Lamers
From: 24.183.83.139
I imagine this whole ordeal is probably pretty similar to what probably happens daily on this website.

I mean, how much bitching and moaning did we see when the ROMS were taken down? I shudder to think of the hate-mail that JoseQ's site gets daily for the ROMS being gone, or requests to put the ROMS back up...or even requests for locations where ROMS can be found...

So, let's do a comparison. The ROMS were here for a long time, and they didn't cost you a dime. In the same respect, FB was updated frequently, and
also didn't cost you a dime.

Now, the emulator is gone, and the lamers shout: "That's okay, because the XXXXX emulator is way better anyway, so suck my ass, Dave!" And how many messages did we see that said: "This site has no ROMS and you suck ass JOSEQ, because I like XXXXXX's site better anyway!"

If you wonder where I'm going with this...all I can say is that no matter what you do, if you try to do something for people (no matter what may be in it for you) at no cost, they will abuse you until you don't want to do it anymore. How you handle it will determine how everyone judges you.

Some folks don't like Dave because he bailed. That's one perspective. But, this site still runs...and so, in another perspective, some of us must still have respect for this site without the ROMS being around, or we wouldn't still be here...so we respect that this site didn't fold under pressure...

Hell...I don't know what I'm trying to say...I'm just ranting...

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Name: Caveman Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (16:52)
Subject: The simple facts
From: 152.163.194.181
Dave had good reason to leave, let's face it. If ya don't agree, that's fine, but why do we have to have everybody bitching at each other's throats? Let's just all calm down, we don't have to gossip and sh!t over this, cause now everybody's got a $!@#ing headache. And if you don't like Final Burn, and you prefer another emulator, that's fine too, but keep in mind that Final Burn was the first, and it sparked up most of the interest that caused other emulators to support it. So if you don't like FB, atleast give it that.

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Name: John Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (16:00)
Subject: Leave Dave alone
From: 213.108.23.154
Dave & Jose are right. Criticising Dave is highly ungrateful, as what he did was done for free, not to mention risky given the potential copyright issues.

Personally, I give my wholehearted thanks to emu authors.

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Name: Kevin Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (15:29)
Subject:
From: 165.247.49.18
You guys are PATHETIC! You guys ttruly need a life if you are bitching over an emulator that is in MAME and Nebula. Let dave bitch, leave, moan, groan, I DONT GIVE A FLYING !@#$! We thanked the conceited author for his work. I bet he is just eating this up. if he wants to be a true prick and leave, let him. Flame all you want you losers, I expect nothing BUT that from you guys.

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 Name: Another coder Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (23:13)
Subject: Re:
From: 208.165.47.96
>You guys are PATHETIC! You guys ttruly need a life if you are bitching over an emulator that is in MAME and Nebula. Let dave bitch, leave, moan, groan, I DONT GIVE A FLYING !@#$! We thanked the conceited author for his work. I bet he is just eating this up. if he wants to be a true prick and leave, let him. Flame all you want you losers, I expect nothing BUT that from you guys.
>

I wonder, would your attitude be the same if every emu author put a 30 day timeout in their code? If you actually had to rely on them for something, or you'd wind up with nothing? Maybe then you'd be just a little bit grateful for what you had, knowing it could be taken away at any time, that you'd have nothing to fall back on.
The only person you're concerned with is your ungrateful self. It's all about you. As long as you can play the games you want, you're happy. You freakin' ungrateful, selfish punk. You deserve nothing, yet you act like you actually have a right to bitch. If I had to face your attitude day in and out like emu authors do, I'd leave too.

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 Name: A coder Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (19:10)
Subject: Your issues
From: 66.27.72.191
Maybe he deserves to eat it up after all the useless sh!t he has taken. If I wrote an emu and people gave me sh!t I would sure as hell invoke my right to be an asshole. He has already apologized for what ever assholing he was doing and I think that should be enough. If you cant except that then go write your own amazing emu that is fast and runs previously unrunnable games. Maybe then I'll listen to you

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 Name: schwitzkopf Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (16:05)
Subject: Re:
From: 12.147.96.10
Agreed!

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Name: Dustin Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (15:07)
Subject: Dave
From: 216.133.166.124
Yes this article is true, but I'm not blaming Dave for bailing, go ahead dude, I don't care. There are other GREAT CPS2 emulators out there a.k.a. Nebula, and I'm sure they're going to be more. I'm blaming Dave for this whole incident for ever happening, he gave out his e-mail, and to not expect 'lamers' is rediculous. Once the lamers came, he didn't have to moan and bitch and moan and bitch constantly. Then it finally came that he became a total egotistical asshole. I read the faq, and he even made fun of people who e-mailed him innocently trying to help, then there is the whole deal with Nebula. He said it was fake first, and gave a pretty weak excuse for saying so. Then when he finally bailed, he only recommended CPS2 MAME and not Nebula. What a little bitch, eh?

The fact that Dave, or anyone, could compare him to Sardu is an insult to intelligence.

VIVA LA NEBULA!!!

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 Name: dx Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (17:38)
Subject: Re: Dave
From: 212.137.177.59
>
dx

You must be some $!@#ing idiot, a few brain cells less. Nebula is a piece of sh!t that ever grace the emulation scene,you cannot compare Nebula to the exellent Finalburn. My advise, stop smoking the crack and delete that piece of sh!tty code from you machine and pray that Dave changes his mind.

Dx

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 Name: AfroGod Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (16:44)
Subject: Re: Dave
From: 66.21.216.200
"For CPS2 emulation I can recommend CPS2MAME and Nebula"
from www.finalburn.com

read before you post dick

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 Name: Dustin Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (17:53)
Subject: Re: Re: Dave
From: 216.133.166.124
>"For CPS2 emulation I can recommend CPS2MAME and Nebula"
>from www.finalburn.com
>
>read before you post dick
>

!@#$ you ass, he changed it. You can ask people. Probably got a lotta sh!t for it I'm guessing.

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 Name: schwitzkopf Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (16:08)
Subject: Re: Dave
From: 12.147.96.10
>The fact that Dave, or anyone, could compare him to Sardu is an insult to intelligence.

Sardu had the best strategy. Silence is golden and if you don't like it, too bad!

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 Name: O_Pateta_Português Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (19:08)
Subject: Que Merda
From: 213.228.128.18
Português: Sardu foi um Deus.

Inglish: Sardu was a God.

Dave is just a coder, a good one, but he still misses a lot (a really big LOT) of stuff to reach the magnificence of the all mighty one SARDU.
I pay my "post-mortem" (at least in an emu related way) to the Alpha-Omega of emulation.
Dave seems to be a nice kid, he's temperemental, just like me, I put myself on his shoes a couple of times and I probably would react the same way he did, if things really whent like he told. Leave Dave alone, he needs some rest. Maybe he'll return... maybe he won't. Sure, I miss Sardu a whole lot more. Long live Sardu, long live Dave, and long live ALL emulator coders, the bad ones, the normal ones, the good ones, the great ones, and the magnificent one, where ever you are, you have my devoted respect.

Adeus cambada, deixem os autores dos emuladores em paz. Que porra, nem sequer há autores de emuladores portuguêses! Ai se eu soubesse programar...

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 Name: Dustin Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (23:40)
Subject: Re: Que Merda
From: 216.133.166.124
I can honestly say that I agree with you the most.

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Name: yo Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (15:02)
Subject: Lamers are not to Blame
From: 206.47.244.60
Dayvey was asked right from the start as to why he spends so much time on them message board answerring messages about his final-burn. Dayveey replied by saying
this is my way of doing things and getting feedback via e-mails and message boards for his updating, he said it himself. This worked well at first as he could get instent updates faster then any other Emu out there, But started to turn sour after 2 or 3 cps2 additions. At that time I could Imagine the rush he might have felt releasing update after update 2 minutes later. I was was told as a kid you can get sick if you eat too much candy at once.

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Name: Spiderman Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (14:39)
Subject: Yes i totaly agree!!!
From: 209.239.68.211
Ok for one thing we shoud stop emu bashing Cps2mame and Nebua
they are trying ther best we all know that FB is/was the best emu
and i know that every one is still hoping for dave to pick up the FB
project again { i know i em }

But we must be happy what we have at the moment

as for the lamers we all know they suck and that they are spoilt brats
and that they don't know what emulation is realy about.

I Today agree with the artical.

It just hurts me and all the emulation comunty to loause such a great
Emu and such a great person such as DAVE!!!! :-{

ps sorry for the speling i em form CROATIA

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Name: HIGHWAYMAN Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (14:21)
Subject: $!@# cps2
From: 62.7.25.99
kashka is right,
!@#$ CPS2.

I think sega stuff rulez.
I liked some of it so much that i purchased a GALAXYFORCE-II pcb on E-bay.

HOW MANY CPS2 LAMERS BUY CPS2 PCB'S SO THEY WOULD NOT HAVE TO WAIT FOR DAVE???


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 Name: Posted: Tuesday, June 8, 2004 - (18:04)
Subject: Re: $!@# cps2
From: p50199-adsau12honb6-acca.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp
>kashka is right,
>!@#$ CPS2.
>
>I think sega stuff rulez.
>I liked some of it so much that i purchased a GALAXYFORCE-II pcb on E-bay.
>
>HOW MANY CPS2 LAMERS BUY CPS2 PCB'S SO THEY WOULD NOT HAVE TO WAIT FOR DAVE???
>
>
>

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 Name: Posted: Thursday, May 6, 2004 - (19:38)
Subject: Re: $!@# cps2
From: 220-110-234-150.ip1.george24.com
>kashka is right,
>!@#$ CPS2.
>
>I think sega stuff rulez.
>I liked some of it so much that i purchased a GALAXYFORCE-II pcb on E-bay.
>
>HOW MANY CPS2 LAMERS BUY CPS2 PCB'S SO THEY WOULD NOT HAVE TO WAIT FOR DAVE???
>
>
>

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Name: MATT-B Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (14:07)
Subject: The payoff.....
From: 144.162.191.139
Forget about all the lamers or people
who are below that for a second,the
very act of coding and geting even just
one CPS-2 game or any game for that matter
to work is something to be proud of.I
know it is important for other people to
say "hey nice job" but you have to rember
what you are trying to do.Even if you
where to get mail saying "xyz emu is better,so ha"
why would they try to make you feel bad?Just
because you would not tell them where they
can download SUPER-FLUFFY-BROS-2:THE RETURN
,I mean come on they are clearly just trying
to get back at you.I know Dave has been asked
enough things but I hope he will release info
on the CPS2-VDP,it could help people like me
who want to code it or emulate it one day.
Anyways,just remember that people out there
do have respect for what you do,even if their
egos prevent them from saying so.One last
thing,the real payoff to you should be knowing
that so many people use your software,95% of these
fools dont code and they have no idea what it takes
to get one of these things of the ground,they
think that these things just magicaly fall from the
sky,they need to remeber what it was like before emulation,
but wait they cant....they where still learing to walk
and speak their first words "lam..lamm..lammme..LAMER"

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Name: Archlyn Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (13:55)
Subject: Just my two cents
From: 66.20.194.45
Although I have never used Final Burn, I have used emus wich ave knuckled under to the lamers... (UltraHLE).

To the emu authors.. god bless you for your hard work and dedication, you have my utmost respect.

To the REAL fans: You guys are SOOOO right about everything.. these damn lamers will be the death of us all in the end. It saddens me to see such great works as Final Burn and UltraHLE et. al to go down in flames because a bunch of f*cking lamers decide to ignore a basic rule: When all else fails...read the instructions... RTFM.

To you damn, heartless, and uncaring lamers out there who would rather send an email and wait 2-3 days for a responce ten to take 2-3 minutes of your oh so precious time: Burn in Hell... if you don't want to take the time to RTFM then you don't have time to sit down and use the emu... and thusly have no need to be lame.

I do have one question... how do people like the zsnes team do it? how do they survive the onslaugt of lame emails?

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Name: Rafael Coelho Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (13:26)
Subject: The Reality
From: 200.188.61.138
Now,CPS2shock released the XOR tables for Shadow over mystara....i want to see these lame and stupids running this game on the simple graphics CPS2MAME or in that sh!t called NEBULA....

Well,LAMERS and STUPID PEOPLE - DIE YOU MOTHER!@#$ERS!!!

Dave,you did a great job with FINAL BURN...If someone says it's not good,they are just saying lies... Your EMU was the greatest emu i saw.... The guys at MODELER promess some good things,but FINAL BURN rocks!!
Don't forget it.

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 Name: Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (14:18)
Subject: your the lamer
From: 206.47.244.60
your putting down another emu that might be better then final burn


>Now,CPS2shock released the XOR tables for Shadow over mystara....i want to see these lame and stupids running this game on the simple graphics CPS2MAME or in that sh!t called NEBULA....
>
>Well,LAMERS and STUPID PEOPLE - DIE YOU MOTHER!@#$ERS!!!
>
>Dave,you did a great job with FINAL BURN...If someone says it's not good,they are just saying lies... Your EMU was the greatest emu i saw.... The guys at MODELER promess some good things,but FINAL BURN rocks!!
>Don't forget it.
>

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 Name: Kurgan Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (13:51)
Subject: Re: The Reality
From: 63.227.69.15
Chill man.. this is the kind of thing that gets me. People who, because of a 'free' game or two, want others to "DIE" and wants to cuss at them.

Yes, let's get into a flame war.. the lamers will scream insults at the fans and the fans will butter-up Dave and scream insults at the lamers.

And what will all of this accomplish? It will just make each side look more and more like self-absorbed "idiots" (like the ones they want to label their opponents as).

Do you honestly think that your ranting is going to stop anyone from behaving as you just acted?

Have fun. ; p

None of that is necessary. I'm sure Dave can survive without your zeal, and so can the rest of us.

>Now,CPS2shock released the XOR tables for Shadow over mystara....i want to see these lame and stupids running this game on the simple graphics CPS2MAME or in that sh!t called NEBULA....
>
>Well,LAMERS and STUPID PEOPLE - DIE YOU MOTHER!@#$ERS!!!
>
>Dave,you did a great job with FINAL BURN...If someone says it's not good,they are just saying lies... Your EMU was the greatest emu i saw.... The guys at MODELER promess some good things,but FINAL BURN rocks!!
>Don't forget it.
>

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 Name: Kurgan Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (13:54)
Subject: Re: Re: The Reality
From: 63.227.69.15
Oh, and need I mention, nice job bashing other emulators in your attempt to 'defend' final burn. I'm sure you'll now be to blame if any of them ever quits the scene because of your lameness.

Isn't it nice how it all works out in the end?

>Now,CPS2shock released the XOR tables for Shadow over mystara....i want to see these lame and stupids running this game on the simple graphics CPS2MAME or in that sh!t called NEBULA....
>
>>Dave,you did a great job with FINAL BURN...If someone says it's not good,they are just saying lies... Your EMU was the greatest emu i saw.... The guys at MODELER promess some good things,but FINAL BURN rocks!!
>>Don't forget it.

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 Name: Dustin Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (12:46)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: The Reality
From: 140.192.15.103
Kurgan is awesome, honestly.

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Name: Anon Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (13:24)
Subject: Lame
From: 65.100.8.101
Lamers will never go away they are part of the scene in a way. The best way for emu authors is to be on the defensive,No email no icq. Boards should clean the abuse off the boards not let it fill it up. Irc is a decent way to talk to ppl. Lamer kicks always work.

Face it lamers are here to stay we just need to close the circle a little more to there attitudes and ignorance.

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Name: EvilTeddyBear Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (13:01)
Subject: Lame
From: 24.21.163.160
authors are not perfect, they can be a lame as the lamers

there are emu authors
there are emu fans

there are lame emu authors
there are lame emu fans

this whole ordeal speaks for itself

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Name: Charles MacDonald Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (12:54)
Subject: Nice job
From: 209.182.130.147
You pretty much said it all, I hope everybody who has even the slightest interest in emulation reads this article. End-users really do need a checklist of things to do before they send off another dumb e-mail.

Your advice to emu authors was quite good, though notice on the whole it is all protective measures, as if somebody was out to get them. :) Kind of creepy, isn't it? But then again from reading Dave's logs, a lot of people did get overly offended and downright nasty at times. Better safe than sorry, and your article covered all the important points fully.

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 Name: Kurgan Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (13:20)
Subject: Re: Nice job
From: 63.227.69.15
Good points. Interesting how that works. Of course no amount of disclaimers will make it impossible to be sent hate mail. The only way to prevent that is to not post your email anywhere.
; )

Regardless of all the pre-emptive measures, you can't stop 'em all forever.

>You pretty much said it all, I hope everybody who has even the slightest interest in emulation reads this article. End-users really do need a checklist of things to do before they send off another dumb e-mail.
>
>Your advice to emu authors was quite good, though notice on the whole it is all protective measures, as if somebody was out to get them. :) Kind of creepy, isn't it? But then again from reading Dave's logs, a lot of people did get overly offended and downright nasty at times. Better safe than sorry, and your article covered all the important points fully.
>
>

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 Name: Matt Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (15:05)
Subject: The most important thing
From: 209.179.141.3
All i want to say to Dave is Thank You.

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Name: Kurgan Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (12:51)
Subject: human beings
From: 63.227.69.15
The biggest thing to realize is that the emu authors are human beings. They aren't gods up on Mount Olypmus, nor are they mad genius's. They're just people.

And the "users" are human beings too. They aren't mindless leeches, they're people. ; )

In spite of all the misplaced anger towards emu authors who "quit the scene" or whatnot, and the anger towards "lamers" and "leeches" I think I can sum up my own position thus:

I've never flamed or bothered an emu author about anything, so if one of them wants to "quit the scene" and blame whomever, they can't blame me.

I've never gone on a public crusade against so-called lamers, and so nobody can claim I'm being "holier-than-thou" in relation to them.

I really don't feel any emu author owe's ME anything, nor do I feel that I owe any emu author anything, honestly. It works both ways. You see what I mean? Some people insist on acting as if the emu authors who quit are these glorious martyrs that we put to death with our bad intentions. Or the opposite: they're all a bunch of sniveling snobs who put their own egos before the masses that "made" them.

I try to take a middle path. Of course I figure that most emu authors get into "the scene" because they want to be noticed. Otherwise, why would they bother putting their name on anything or making it public if they didn't want anyone to see their work? And with that great power comes great responsibility.

Doesn't matter who you are, even Jesus Christ had at least as many enemies as friends when he was on earth. Think about it... You've just got to expect some of that.

"The Public" is far too large to be easily controlled all of the time, and so there are always going to be at least a few people who will NEVER appreciate what these people do, no matter how great are the things they do "for" them, and to blame everyone for what these few may do, well.. just isn't fair, honestly.

So these guys rise up, create something, then flare out when they can't take it anymore, and then "we" are left with whatever they made. Some of it ends up being remembered, some of it is just a flash in the pan.

Anyhow, yup, credit where credit is due, too bad about those that had misfortune, and maybe chill to the rest, bye bye...

; )

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 Name: Bob Job Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (13:02)
Subject: Re: human beings
From: 206.150.164.3
Get off your soap box,

The www is a public place for people, and people are stupid. If you don't want anyone to email you, don't post your email.


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 Name: Kurgan Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (13:19)
Subject: Re: Re: human beings
From: 63.227.69.15
I guess I agree with you, but what do you propose?

Stop complaining since everyone is stupid? I'm just speaking my mind bro. ; )

>Get off your soap box,
>
>The www is a public place for people, and people are stupid. If you don't want anyone to email you, don't post your email.
>
>
>

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Name: ThumB Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (12:32)
Subject: man....
From: 161.114.88.74
Nice article. I'd like to add that all this talk over and over again almost makes me understand what Dave must have felt like reading that e-mail. I know Dave quitting brings emotions but I'm starting to get sick of the whole thing. I cant even read about Ages, new mame, or other advancements with out swimming in FB discussion. Hey peepz, guess what, CPS-2 aint dead! There's already 3 great ways to run the games! And really, If you want to do something, Go over to CPS2Shock and donate some $$$. That will give the lamers something new to fight and the rest of us a good feeling that we actually contributed something rather then just a bunch of commentary.

Man, I really cant even believe I'm leaving a message at all on this topic.
Now Go give CPS2Shock your moneY!

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Name: Lurker Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (12:09)
Subject: Dave.
From: 207.218.2.253
To Dave.

Thanks Man.


To Everyone else who thinks that Dave has no right to make a mistake, or make his project exactly like he wants. Or kick back when some ass thinks he knows best.

Write your own code.

In a lot of these comments you see people saying dave should do this or dave should do that. What dave did is say RTFM, thats what i wrote it for. If you can't read a little text file when you have a problem, then i'd say your on your own.

Be glad, be grateful, be quiet.

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 Name: skid Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (7:16)
Subject: Re: Dave.
From: 203.164.3.179
yes, kudo's to Dave for FinalBurn. Good emulator, technically not as great as Callus, but yes, a good emulator.

Dave can make mistakes. If you were to acknowledge to YOURSELF that you made a mistake, wouldn't you expect some retaliation from the people it affected? His comment on Nebula was public - the reaction was of the same magnitude.

I currently code for a living. If my user's didn't like what I coded, I'd fix it - my users make me. Same should go for Dave, his users stroke his ego for him. Cater for them a little (don't say read the faq and leave it at that).


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 Name: Since I write code too... Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (23:29)
Subject: Re: Re: Dave.
From: 208.165.47.96

>I currently code for a living. If my user's didn't like what I coded, I'd fix it - my users make me. Same should go for Dave, his users stroke his ego for him. Cater for them a little (don't say read the faq and leave it at that).

There's the difference - YOU code for a living. Dave does it for a hobby. Why should he have to repeat stuff in email 30 times if it's in the FAQ? that's what FAQs are for. You get paid to cater to users. Dave gets nothing. If I were paying you, I'd expect you to spend time with me, holding my hand. But if I were coding something for free (and I have, lots of times), you'd be lucky if I even told you to read the FAQ. I figure if people ain't smart enough to read, they're too dang dumb for me to be concerned with. Screw 'em!

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 Name: skid Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - (4:15)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Dave.
From: 64.2.151.227
>
>>I currently code for a living. If my user's didn't like what I coded, I'd fix it - my users make me. Same should go for Dave, his users stroke his ego for him. Cater for them a little (don't say read the faq and leave it at that).
>
>There's the difference - YOU code for a living. Dave does it for a hobby. Why should he have to repeat stuff in email 30 times if it's in the FAQ? that's what FAQs are for. You get paid to cater to users. Dave gets nothing. If I were paying you, I'd expect you to spend time with me, holding my hand. But if I were coding something for free (and I have, lots of times), you'd be lucky if I even told you to read the FAQ. I figure if people ain't smart enough to read, they're too dang dumb for me to be concerned with. Screw 'em!
>



My point is a little different. I'm not saying that Dave should give out free support (you gotta be nuts!). Dave releases his FB to give to his users. In return he just wants some gratitude (or fame or something). When his user's aren't returning the favour, he should ask himself "Why not?". Maybe the pause function wasn't so obvious. How could he have helped that? I suggest in my older post below that he adds a pause button onto the grey window header. This will maybe take 2 hours to code, make some users happy, and cut his e-mail by some (his main complaint). In this gesture, he would have help himself and his users. It's all in your attitude.

I only mentioned that I coded as a job because only with happy users will my boss continue to pay me. My users make me, as Dave's users give his emulator an audience (otherwise he might as well keep it private - no flame mails that way). Without FinalBurn's users, FinalBurn is just x lines of code.

Some of the worship I see on this page is a little over-the-top. I'm not sure how many people realise that to add a CPS2 game to FinalBurn and release it takes maybe half an hour to map the roms and find the dipswitches. It really ain't that amazing. Sardu impresses me more ("obscene amount of self-modifying code?" - too cool).

But I'm not pissed off with Dave. The CPS2 part is just about perfect, couldn't ask for more. Woulda liked to see the Afterburner part fixed up a bit, but you can't win 'em all.

Who I am sour with is RealityMan - I waited impatiently but quietly from Jan 1999 (his announcement of UltraHLE 2.0) til Dec 2000 when he announced that it ain't gonna happen. But I guess you can't miss what you never had.

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 Name: skid Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - (4:17)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Dave.
From: 64.2.151.227
erm.. make that Dec 1999. (everyone makes mistakes)

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Name: Jack Knife Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (11:54)
Subject: Reading the FAQ?
From: 4.54.169.247
Why would Dave expect anyone to read the FAQ? I doubt if he ever read one in his life.
I remember him complaining..."I can't get Windows to install without performing a scandisk. Can anyone help?" Well, poor baby! If he couldn't read the text files that came with Windows, how the hell would he expect others to read his text file?
Was it too difficult for him to at least type "setup /?" or "setup /help"???

So long Dave...you are as lame as the rest of us!!!!

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 Name: Mclane Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (12:28)
Subject: Re: Reading the FAQ?
From: 62.7.249.6

>So long Dave...you are as lame as the rest of us!!!!
>
Obviously not...He wrote a cracking emulator, you on the other hand have written a sniping comment.

Go figure..

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Name: Addiction Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (11:44)
Subject: Age in emulation...
From: 130.127.3.2
For once and for all, none of this has anything to do with people's age! You people have referred to teens and 20 somethings as being the problem. Where do you think the extremely vast majority lies? How many 50 year olds do you think are into emulation?

A little about myself: I became wrapped up in the emulation "scene" four years ago when I started college. I had been looking for mp3's on a site, and it said that I could also play old video games on my computer. Much to my surprise, I found Deathlord for the Apple IIe!
Since then, I have tried out dozens of emulators, from NeoRageX to Bleem. When NeoRageX got sound, that was the greatest thing...when Bleem came out, and I could buy it...it was spectacular(If only I had known how badly I got ripped off...).

Age has nothing to do with "lamerness." If you like an emulator, you should give support. If that means money, and you can afford it, go for it! If the author wants feedback, send him an email that will help him. You people act as if the only way you can be a member of emulation is by writing the code youself.
You could not be more wrong...would authors write an emulator if no one would ever play it? If they never got any feedback from anyone? If they never got any support in any way? People who test the games, give feedback, and write reviews are as important to the emulation community as the authors themselves.

All you people who flamed everyone who ever asked for a rom, you are as much of the problem as they are. You pissed them off, and encouraged them to give up on emulation, thereby encouraging them to speak poorly of the emulator. If you don't have something nice to say, then shut the hell up and allow someone with some decency to make the reply instead of you.

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 Name: Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (23:36)
Subject: Re: Age in emulation...
From: 208.165.47.96
You people act as if the only way you can be a member of emulation is by writing the code youself. People who test the games, give feedback, and write reviews are as important to the emulation community as the authors themselves.

Really? How many reviews would there be if there were no emulators? And frankly, who gives a rat's rump about a review. I don't need some no-talent kid telling me he thinks my emulator sucks.
Granted, positive feedback is important. Support is important. But if no one had the brains to actually write the code, all the support and positive feedback in the world are worthless. There are a limited number of individuals with the brains to code an emulator. There are an unlimited number of people who can write a review. You do the math.

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Name: mink Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (10:35)
Subject: heh
From: 198.142.192.164
do lamers even know what FAQ stands for ???

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 Name: Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (12:47)
Subject: Re: heh
From: 140.192.15.103
>do lamers even know what FAQ stands for ???
>

you mean $!@#, right?

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Name: Kashka Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (10:21)
Subject: If only it could have waited..
From: 128.186.149.14
Ya know, I really wish that CPS2 would have taken another year to decrypt or so, because I was *so* looking forward to seeing Afterburner get fixed up, Thunderblade completed, and tilt effects in GF2/Powerdrift emulated! ...And perhaps one day... G-LOC!

I jumped for joy when Dave removed CPS2 support in ONE update but alas, it was reintroduced, and still no one learned a lesson.

Oh well. I suppose my opinion is quite politically incorrect. Perhaps someone else will take up the Sega torch :)

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Name: Sir Tom Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (10:08)
Subject: Dayvee
From: 65.194.129.181
I,m gonna quit my cps2 emu because i,m a loser.....Nebula is way better anyway Dave stick it up your ASS!!!! For months i download your emu and think damn this guy is really cool and then u show your true $!@#ing colors go to hell dave!!!!

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 Name: Jeff K Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (12:20)
Subject: Re: Dayvee
From: 209.98.182.112
"Hi, my naem si Jeff K! I think that evin tho I am 3l33T, all emultion authers r fagits!!1"
Seriously kid, if you want to go read about your idol, go over to somethingawful.com and look up "Jeff K". It's so sad to see that people like you aren't invented, but actually real.

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 Name: Fly Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (10:23)
Subject: Re: Dayvee
From: 196.25.109.30
Child

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 Name: Cronos Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (13:36)
Subject: Cut! Roll 'em! Cut! Roll e'm!
From: 172.170.83.212
Didn't you quit the scene yet? This is starting to shape up like "The last temptation of Dayvee" part 4!

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Name: zgrav Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (10:01)
Subject: what price fame?
From: 165.224.105.235
Dave also suffered the fate of writing
an emulator that was good enough to get
noticed and draw more newbies into the
scene. And the newbies wanted to play
the games without having to go through
any learning curve, or without having
any sense of perspective or history
about the demise of other great emus.
Impatient newbies are the birthing ground
of the lamers from Hell. Some eventually
learn. I agree that shutting off access
to the author seems to be the best way.

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Name: jus'joshin' Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (9:17)
Subject: emails
From: 64.209.134.135
One of the main problems it seems(sorry JoseQ but I couldn't stop to read your whole novel) are the emails. Next time the emu author should just ignore/delete all emails.I'm sure Dave was expecting his fair share of good and bad messages by giving out his email address in the first place.This is not a big-booty-Brittany fanclub afterall.End of discussion.

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Name: DeaDSOuLz Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (9:15)
Subject: I Love Dave,
From: 64.20.84.179
I love Dave,

Thanks for all your hard work. I will continue to use finalburn as long as I enjoy playing cps2 games.

Thanks again. Shame on all your assholes who persecuted dave.

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 Name: Cronos Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (13:38)
Subject: Re: I Love Dave,
From: 172.170.83.212
>Thanks again. Shame on all your assholes who persecuted dave.
>

Shame on all the sh33p that'll bend over and take it from an emu-author in d4 sphincter like true man-whores! ;)

I just want my free gamez! whhhhaaaa!

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Name: John Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (8:20)
Subject: Facing facts.
From: 24.221.60.151
It's not just one group-- it's people of all ages, all colors, all races.. who refuse to show respect for someone's work. I believe some of the people out there were having _fun_ ripping on Dave, from what I read on the messageboards. They'd find any small item they could use, then REPEATEDLY smash him on it (e.g. Nebula) even after apologies a *sane* person would accept.

Those who are 'lame' by definition are not going to read the FAQ, they're not going to learn, and they obviously don't care. I see two distinct possibilities:

Set up an email service for authors where a group of people would donate time to filter out the garbage mail before passing it along, leaving only the *constructive* criticism and suggestions.

Or...

No mail address at all, as described in the opinion above. There's nothing we can do to stop people from sending these pointless flames. In fact, by discussing it like this, we provoke it further, since they now have a forum in which to annoy and anger the people.

How many more projects are going to die under this sort of insanity before some kind of solution is found? Yeah, it's a hobby, but your hobby isn't supposed to provide you with more stress than your work.

JoseQ, what do you say? How about a special mail filtering service...? It's worth a try, don't you think?

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 Name: Exactly Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (13:26)
Subject: Re: Facing facts.
From: 206.15.235.6
>Set up an email service for authors where a group of people would donate time to filter out the garbage mail before passing it along, leaving only the *constructive* criticism and suggestions.

This is a great idea. Also, I would like to thank Dave for FREELY GIVING months of his spare time for absolutely NO MONEY!!! Any sane human being can see this:

Imagine this scenario, anywhere else in real life:
A man walks up to some kids on a playground, and hands them the coolest toy they've ever seen (Well, except UltraHLE), which he's worked months on, and charges them nothing. The kids say: "Dave, you suck. It doesn't have enough flashing lights." "The arm doesn't go back all the way" "You're not fixing it fast enough" "I want a robot sidekick action figure right now", etc.

Again, thanks DAVE, RealityMan, and all emu coders everywhere who walked up and handed me these shiny new toys FOR FREE and at great personal expense.

P.S. I know, a man walks up to a bunch of little kids, that's kind of wrong in it's own right ;)

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Name: Lord Sandwich Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (7:32)
Subject: Stereotypes
From: 24.188.186.200
I'm a twentysomething who loves fighting games and I take offense to being labeled as a lamer by "old timers." Please keep in mind that there are some of us out there who've never once emailed emu authors or filled up message boards with ROM requests. And that ANY experience of gaming nostalgia is a significant one, regardless of that game's genre or age. My memories of Mortal Kombat II are every bit as important as your memories of Pitfall.

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 Name: JoseQ Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (8:56)
Subject: Re: Stereotypes
From: 216.42.53.2
I don't think there's much blame going into the twenty-something people. I'm one of them. I'm sure most people in their twenties can write OK notes to emu authors. It's those guys in their middle elementary school that we complain about =P
Still a stereotype, but a closer one at that =P

JoseQ

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 Name: Jason Frothingham Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (9:51)
Subject: Re: Re: Stereotypes
From: 167.196.224.9
>I don't think there's much blame going into the twenty-something people. I'm one of them. I'm sure most people in their twenties can write OK notes to emu authors. It's those guys in their middle elementary school that we complain about =P
>Still a stereotype, but a closer one at that =P
>
>JoseQ
>
I'm one of those teen somethings that doesn't fit into the sterotype. Since I've started into emulation 6 years ago (Nesticle anyone?) I've collected just about every console available except the PSX. Why, with VGS, EPSXE, and a Logitach Wingman Rumble I just can't justify giving Sony $100 when I got my Dreamcast for the same price. Anyways, any guesses as to what games I spend the most time on? Mario Kart and Star Fox SNES. Sure, they had 64 updates. Sure, the poly counts in Star Fox are low, sure Mario Kart isn't pretty or well rendered. But the gameplay can't be beat, period. \

LONG LIVE THE SNES!!!!!!

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Name: Mclane Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (6:35)
Subject: Why bother.
From: 62.7.249.6

Dave could not have done more for people who used FB, he released it almost twice daily at one point (some times even 3 updates), the emulation was pretty marvelous and it ran full speed on most machines..

What more could you want yet he still got called enough names to warrant him calling it a day twice.

There are NO EXCUSES for these idiots who abuse, it does not matter that 'lamers' have been around for ages, it's about maturity and not giving way to some childish idiot who can't get his own way and needs to scream and scream.

You see what happens when you let an idiot take charge, you get that puppet who is in the White house.

(a joke)

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Name: VRB Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (6:31)
Subject: A good thing?
From: 212.24.66.242
I know what it's like when public demand becomes an overriding factor in what you do; when I first started my "projects" (mentioning no specifics), I just did it for fun, because I could, but later on I was just slogging away because it was *expected* of me. The ego buzz I used to get from seeing my name in lights (and I won't deny that's what spurred me on when my interest was waning) faded, and eventually things got too much -- I kept on getting lame emails requesting this and that, *demanding* this and that, accusing me of not being up to the job because I hadn't dont this and that -- so I quit. No big messages, no prima donna fits, I just disappeared. Didn't go back to the relevant sites, didn't check my email, nothing -- and I felt *so* much better for it :) So in a way, I'm kind of glad that Dayvee's quit; the amount of sh!t I got was miniscule compared to what he's had to put up with, and it really can't be good for someone to get that much abuse day in, day out. To Dayvee I say this: drop out of emulation altogether. Don't go back to sites, don't go to message boards, just fill the time you would've spent on emulation-related stuff with something else; I guarantee you'll feel like a huge weight's been lifted from your shoulders.

=VRB=

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Name: Paul Irvine Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (6:18)
Subject: A very true article
From: 62.7.249.6
Great article, it explains the facts well.

But will the ungrateful leechers / abusers actually care, the mindest is that if Dave calls it a day then some other person will do another emulator so they can upset that person...and on it goes.

We can all make mistakes and ask a silly question, no one is perfect and most authors understand that a few will slip the net. Sadly for every genuine mistake there's 100 numbskulls who can't be bothered to learn.

Why the hell won't this hard working emulation author who may have kids, a wife and most importantly A LIFE bother to read the manual for them or send them the roms or release a new version 2 secs after the roms are around or release a new version because they have some bloody awful cheap and nasty sound or video card...

Surely these emu authors are just sitting there all day waiting to help!

So Will the abusers learn, do they even care??

I doubt it!

In the end there won't be a problem since no one will bother to write an emulator..

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Name: Krool Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (5:43)
Subject: go back
From: 203.109.252.11
dayvee should jsut give up on his cps2 ordeals and get back to what he was doing before - SEGA. cps2 got him the fame he wanted and couldnt handle. back to what started finalburn coz if dayvee comes back with another finalburn and new cps2 stuff... what a punk whiney "ill quit" *waves* kinda guy.


K
check it

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Name: Atomic Skull Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (5:15)
Subject: CPS2 emulation = lamers
From: 24.16.44.82
Any time you emulate anything that was released in the last 5 years, it's going to draw lamers like moths to a flame. The only exception is shooters (like say, Gwange or ESP Ra.De.), which lamers just don't "get".. thank the gods.

But fighting games?? Draws lamers by the score.

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 Name: Kurgan Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (13:06)
Subject: Re: CPS2 emulation = lamers
From: 63.227.69.15
Yup, aren't stereotypes great? It's the other guy to blame, not you.

It was the Snes fans, it was the N64 fans, it was the neogeo fans, it was the cps2 fans.. that killed this emu. Yup, heard it all before. The BLAME GAME!

I love fighting games (my favorite genre of games in fact), I'm under 30 years old, I never owned an AtariVCS or a ColecoVision, I've never played PONG or Spacewars in the arcades.. I must be on everyone's hit list, must be part of the "lamer/leech" community that you're all so far above morally and ethically even though I didn't do ONE THING EVER to make anyone quit development of their emulator.

As one person rightly said on here: "My memories of Mortal Kombat II are just as important as your memories of Pitfall" couldn't have said it better myself. Age and tastes have nothing to do with it.

Just some people let their egos get carried away and don't think about the consequences of their actions, and others do. And some do most of the time, but forget on occasion. That's just human nature.

Just do the best you can.. if other people can't handle it, help them out, and if you can't, let it be. It's not your fault.. and you can't force the whole world to be just like you.

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 Name: Nephrite Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (2:09)
Subject: Re: Re: CPS2 emulation = lamers
From: 209.251.11.79

I never owned an AtariVCS or a ColecoVision

Woo you dont know what you are missing with the Colecovision. A truely awesome system.

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 Name: Nephrite Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (2:08)
Subject: Re: Re: CPS2 emulation = lamers
From: 209.251.11.79

I never owned an AtariVCS or a ColecoVision

Woo you dont know what you are missing with the Colecovision. A truely awesome system.

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 Name: Empyre Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (18:30)
Subject: Re: Re: CPS2 emulation = lamers
From: 212.23.31.21
But I bet youve never seen an emu author quit because hecouldnt stand the doodz rombegging for pacman roms

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 Name: Cracken Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (11:30)
Subject: Question
From: 24.232.1.222
Do you happen to be the dude who makes naked anime girls in 3D?


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 Name: Atomic Skull Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - (5:10)
Subject: Re: Question
From: 24.16.44.82
>Do you happen to be the dude who makes naked anime girls in 3D?
>

Yes.. why?

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Name: Fuzzy Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (4:57)
Subject: too bad
From: 195.238.2.163
Too bad it had to end this way (like it has dozens of times in the past - ultrahle, impact, ...) let's just hope that emulation authors stop caring about these lamers, en just think about the real emulation fans. There will ALWAYS BE LAMERS!! The emu authors should just try to ignore them (or even better, never publish an email adress, just use a messageboard).

LAMERS SUCK BIG TIME !!!!!!!!!!!
I've had enough trouble with lamers in real life too to make sure i hate them forever.

Therefore i never spread any URLS (mp3s or ROMS or Movies) to anyone i'm sure he / she isn't a lamer, cause i know they will get killed sometime when the lamers jump on it!!! (lamers aren't satisfied with the download speeds they normally have on servers, they want to use flashget or similar server-killing applications) if they want something they'll have to find it themselves!

so with emulation it could be if they want to play an unemulated game, they should program the emulator themselves too!!

cya people
Fuzzy

it may seem a bit selfish, but be sure I wasn't born selfish, all the stupid people around me made me that way!!

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Name: skid Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (4:53)
Subject: Think a little
From: 203.164.3.179
I think Dave was both right and wrong.

Dave shouldn't need to be concerned with DDSOM, AvP(J), ROM floods in his mailbox. If I were him, I would have filtered out any e-mail with an attachment or the word "ROM". He should then state that he will be filtering his mail in this manner on the finalburn web page. His mail would halve straight away. Either that or as other people have pointed out, don't put his address on the page.

When kids are screaming for a pause button, Dave's solution was to read the FAQ. Maybe he should accept that most people don't read any documentation before they double click the .exe. Maybe he should have instead thought of how he could have changed the UI so that more people would be alerted to the "ALT-P" command. Couldn't he have added a pause button on the window header labelled "PAUSE (ALT-P)"? Wouldn't that have helped everyone?

Dave should probably, before he started the whole thing, think about a definite goal for the project eg. emulate all of the CPS2 raster effects or perfect Afterburner road gfx. Once those goals have been reached, tell everyone that the project is now complete. Then release the emulator as open source or give the information to MAME (as he has done). In my mind, his FinalBurn-CPS2 emulator was practically complete. It's a shame that he has dropped the FinalBurn-AB part as I see that as half finished. Maybe tacking on the CPS2 code to FinalBurn wasn't as good an idea as creating a separate CPS2 emu altogether.

Dave's dummy spit on the SSF2T 12Mhz thing is over-reacting a little. There are players out there who would know an arcade game like the back of their hand (sad but true). He should respect what they say and state that due to the lack of information he has, he is going to put the clockrate at the default of 12Mhz. Then provide a clock rate slider for them to adjust.

His comment on Nebula was a mistake. He shoulda expected to be punished over that. But everybody makes mistakes, and everybody is gonna make more. Live and learn.

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 Name: Posted: Wednesday, May 5, 2004 - (1:33)
Subject: Re: Think a little
From: yahoobb220031060159.bbtec.net
>I think Dave was both right and wrong.
>
>Dave shouldn't need to be concerned with DDSOM, AvP(J), ROM floods in his mailbox. If I were him, I would have filtered out any e-mail with an attachment or the word "ROM". He should then state that he will be filtering his mail in this manner on the finalburn web page. His mail would halve straight away. Either that or as other people have pointed out, don't put his address on the page.
>
>When kids are screaming for a pause button, Dave's solution was to read the FAQ. Maybe he should accept that most people don't read any documentation before they double click the .exe. Maybe he should have instead thought of how he could have changed the UI so that more people would be alerted to the "ALT-P" command. Couldn't he have added a pause button on the window header labelled "PAUSE (ALT-P)"? Wouldn't that have helped everyone?
>
>Dave should probably, before he started the whole thing, think about a definite goal for the project eg. emulate all of the CPS2 raster effects or perfect Afterburner road gfx. Once those goals have been reached, tell everyone that the project is now complete. Then release the emulator as open source or give the information to MAME (as he has done). In my mind, his FinalBurn-CPS2 emulator was practically complete. It's a shame that he has dropped the FinalBurn-AB part as I see that as half finished. Maybe tacking on the CPS2 code to FinalBurn wasn't as good an idea as creating a separate CPS2 emu altogether.
>
>Dave's dummy spit on the SSF2T 12Mhz thing is over-reacting a little. There are players out there who would know an arcade game like the back of their hand (sad but true). He should respect what they say and state that due to the lack of information he has, he is going to put the clockrate at the default of 12Mhz. Then provide a clock rate slider for them to adjust.
>
>His comment on Nebula was a mistake. He shoulda expected to be punished over that. But everybody makes mistakes, and everybody is gonna make more. Live and learn.
>
>

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 Name: Superfly Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (10:31)
Subject: mmm
From: 196.25.109.30
Skid, whoever you are and whereever you are, I couldn't have agreed with you more. All my thoughts summed together in your post. Bottom line is - Dave was both right and wrong

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Name: x-edous 36 Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (4:17)
Subject: Don't bite the hand that feeds you.
From: 64.210.248.135
I don't know what is wrong with some people. Why do people give authors such a hard time? If you have a problem, learn to write code and make your own emu. If it wasn't for these guys, we would just have our thumbs up our asses wishing we could play the true Arcade versions of Ms. Pac Man and X-men vs. Street Fighter at home for free. You dumb asses are getting this sh!t for free and complain!!!? These people are human and are sharing their hard work with a bunch of leeches they dont even know. You ungrateful mother$!@#ers should only be thanking these folks. It seems this Dave guy gets way too much heat for something that seemed impossible a year ago. I've read that people say he is arogant and thinks he is God or something. Well don't you think he has the right to be a bit cocky about an invention like Final Burn? He must not be too arogant being that he does not feel people should pay for it. I have been to his site and he seems to be very modest. He has been worn down with insults and dumb ass questions and may not release the next ver. for a while if ever (Don't do that to us good guys Dave). But best believe he and his friends will be playing Marvel vs. Capcom. I remember when he released new vers. several times a day.
Although i'm sure the people how should be reading this probably won't, if one of you is reading this, just know that we should be indebted to these guys who have other things to do than try to stress over someone not liking his "free" gift to the world.

Jay
alwesk@yahoo.com

P.S. To coders, keep your heads up, dont let bitches get you down. More people respect you than don't, we just don't want to bug you.

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Name: HIGHWAYMAN Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (4:12)
Subject: LAMERS
From: 213.1.68.12
Dave should have seen the lamers on the horizon,
before final-burn had cps2 there where sh!t-loads of lame bastards on the MAME board doing exactly what they did to dave, to the mame-devs.

If somebody said to me:
'why dont you emulate streetfighter super-turbo-lamer edition v9 you lazy bastard'

I WOULD HAVE TOLD THEM TO GO AND !@#$ THEMSELVES!!!

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 Name: Reiver Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (8:33)
Subject: Re: LAMERS
From: 216.76.248.11
You would have had to say it 9 million times a day, and that's where the problem comes in...it loses its thrill around 1,543,024 times.
-J.G.

>Dave should have seen the lamers on the horizon,
>before final-burn had cps2 there where sh!t-loads of lame bastards on the MAME board doing exactly what they did to dave, to the mame-devs.
>
>If somebody said to me:
>'why dont you emulate streetfighter super-turbo-lamer edition v9 you lazy bastard'
>
>I WOULD HAVE TOLD THEM TO GO AND !@#$ THEMSELVES!!!
>
>

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Name: lizaatreides Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (3:57)
Subject: Emu sites should help as well...
From: 148.233.68.122
What can be done about the HUGE (pardon the caps) amount of lamers out there, who wish not to read a FAQ, much less pay heed to this article?

What about a little help from the emu sites? Emu authors should only release their binaries in the big (or not so big) emu sites, and not give ANY info about the emu author aside from the usual 'XXX emu updated', but also display a big (and I mean BIG) intro banner with these words:

"Do not ask for X game to be included, it is pointless and LAME. Delete any emu you dl from this site if it doesn't fill your expectations, flaming the author or this site for it is LAME. Do not ask this site or the emu author for any roms, they post and make emus, not roms... Rom begging is LAME. Do not ask when the new version of X emu will come out supporting X game as that is LAME as well, it will come out when it comes out. No information about the emu author will be made available to anyone, no exceptions, period. If you can not abide by the following or read the emulator's FAQ in its entirety, do the emulation community a favour and go bother REIROM with your lame requests."

If we are truly a community and not just a 'scene' we should care for 'our founding members' and support them. Our founding members are the emu authors, without whom we would not have what we have today, and best of all for FREE.

Maybe if we say 'LAMER' long and sufficiently enough, the actual lamers will stay away from the real emu sites, and hopefully, the emu authors as well...

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Name: Anthony Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (3:45)
Subject: Make it more accessible
From: 206.47.244.94
Too bad only true fans will be reading this and not the people who need it

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Name: Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (3:45)
Subject:
From: 206.47.244.94
Too bad only true fans will be reading this and not the people who need it

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 Name: Eviltar Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (7:59)
Subject: Re:
From: 24.19.40.118
>Too bad only true fans will be reading this and not the people who need it
>

Exactly. I have doubts that lamers who won't bother with FAQs will bother to read this article. ;)

You never know, though. A couple of them might read it.

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Name: Bman Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (3:05)
Subject: Final Burn
From: 63.25.239.104
Dave is just a whinny bitch that can't deal with the pressures that come from being an emu author.

Dave grow up. It's all apart of the life of an emu author. Nothing new here; has happend to many other great people before you and will no doubt continue to happen in the future.

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 Name: coko savagr Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (16:24)
Subject: u'z a bitch
From: 63.202.107.182
dave the man,u gon be eatin those words when thy come out wit new roms and all u got to settle for is buggy nebula and slow ass cpsmame.you never miss ya water til ya well runs dry.u need to grow the f... up kid.


***some of you n**gaz are b@*&ches too****
Bushwick Bill Geto Boyz 1989

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 Name: Jaydy Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (10:05)
Subject: Re: Final Burn
From: 213.251.0.195
Right.
...and you know all about it I'm shure.
You're very constructive.

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 Name: Reiver Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (8:35)
Subject: Re: Final Burn
From: 216.76.248.11
Wow, the post above this last one was right...some of them DO read it!
-J.G.

>Dave is just a whinny bitch that can't deal with the pressures that come from being an emu author.
>
>Dave grow up. It's all apart of the life of an emu author. Nothing new here; has happend to many other great people before you and will no doubt continue to happen in the future.
>

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 Name: Mclane Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (6:26)
Subject: Re: Final Burn
From: 62.7.249.6
>Dave is just a whinny bitch that can't deal with the pressures that come from being an emu author.
>
>Dave grow up. It's all apart of the life of an emu author. Nothing new here; has happend to many other great people before you and will no doubt continue to happen in the future.
>
And you have written what?

How old are you?

Have you ever met Dave?

Do you have the right to call him a 'whiney bitch'

The answer just so you know is :

Nothing, 10 at most, NO, NO..

Take your own advice and grow up..

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 Name: Bleugh Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (3:36)
Subject: Re: Final Burn
From: 212.250.135.144
>Dave is just a whinny bitch that can't deal with the pressures that come from being an emu author.
>
>Dave grow up. It's all apart of the life of an emu author. Nothing new here; has happend to many other great people before you and will no doubt continue to happen in the future.
>
Its all you f##king yanks,
you spoil it for everyone.
Heres to world war three, thanks George

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 Name: Simon Tan Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (3:36)
Subject: Re: Final Burn
From: 195.65.214.132
Dave has done a fantastic job so far, and his remarks are probably more founded than you would like to think. Leave out these nasty remarks, they're counter-productive, and will only go to show what a bunch of ungrateful a***holes are out there. When you have had to pay the author something to use this stuff THEN you can WHINGE.

>Dave is just a whinny bitch that can't deal with the pressures that come from being an emu author.
>
>Dave grow up. It's all apart of the life of an emu author. Nothing new here; has happend to many other great people before you and will no doubt continue to happen in the future.
>

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Name: finalburn fans!!! Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (2:46)
Subject: dave is needed!. .
From: 172.129.83.227
i think some people intentionally tried to put dave down. some people tried to get to him. to get to him emotionally. to get to him personally.

they want to see dave fail. cmon dave! don't let them! we know you love finalburn, almost as much as your fans!

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Name: Greg Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (2:42)
Subject:
From: 166.102.66.175
Those of us that have been in the emulation scene aren't
the problem. It's these kids in their teens and early
20's, with NO common sense cause they still live a sheltered
life at home with mommie and daddy. They have no concept of
work and expect everything to be handed to them just like at
home. What needs to be done, is every emulation site like this
should delete their stupid messages as soon as they are posted.
We really don't need to hear these lamers whine about which
emulator author sucks, and crap like that. When these lamers
lose their voice in places like this, they will get bored and
move on.

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 Name: Pato Fuo Fighter Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (3:12)
Subject: Re:
From: 200.212.9.187
Not every teen or 20's is like that.
I'm 20, in the scene for about 3 years. I've ever tried to write an emulator (CPS2). Gave up and started trying to reverse engineer the encryption code.
Ok, there are tons of other boys which are not the same.
Just for the record.

So to any emu author, simply, don't give any email. Give the executable to any big emu site (like this or retro) and let em ask questions in emu boards. If you want to, you might check these boards once in a while and answer the questions in your faq.
Guess this would be a lot wiser (and this what I'll do if i ever release an emulator).
patofuofighter@bol.com.br (i believe no one will respond to this post).

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 Name: Black Mariah Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (2:54)
Subject: Re:
From: 64.24.139.132
>It's these kids in their teens and early
>20's, with NO common sense cause they still live a sheltered
>life at home with mommie and daddy.

*cough* I happen to be 20 years old. You'd be hard pressed to call me a lamer (although we've never met on IRC or anywhere else I don't believe). The fact of the matter is that age has almost nothing to do with it. A lack of common sense has EVERYTHING to do with it. I know people twice my age who are dumber than posts. Don't go making blanket assumptions on people.

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 Name: PoderOmega Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (2:52)
Subject: Re:
From: 24.183.162.106
>Those of us that have been in the emulation scene aren't
>the problem. It's these kids in their teens and early
>20's, with NO common sense cause they still live a sheltered
>life at home with mommie and daddy. They have no concept of
>work and expect everything to be handed to them just like at
>home.

Haha how old are you? I'm saying its the kids that are in their early teens, your saying kids in the teens and early twenties.

Some guy in his 40s is saying its cause of those teens, 20 year olds, and early 30 year olds... and so on.

Guess what, there are people your age that are less mature then some 15 year olds. Its all of us, its not a matter of age. Its the same people with social standing and age and ethics of work that are sloppy, ignorant and lazy. No stereotypes.

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Name: am Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (2:38)
Subject: Suggestion for Coders
From: 194.243.194.2
Create a dedicated mailing list for
your emulator/project.
This helps a lot because power users
answer for you.
The mailig list subscription also
filters a lot of not so interested
people.

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Name: faceless Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (2:35)
Subject: wow
From: 216.175.68.201
that article was great, the only sad thing is, the people that need to read it don't have the attention span to do so.

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Name: sudo Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (2:32)
Subject: Good points
From: 64.166.225.161
Sometimes however, I wonder which group is actually larger. The "silent majority" or the loud fanatic morons. I would hope the former.

It's the few bad eggs that ruin it for the rest of us unfortunately.

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Name: SAV2880 Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (2:24)
Subject: Both sides ...
From: 216.196.185.26
Wook,

Good article. I'll say this for the masses ... I hope authors also understand one of your #3's, that message boards and general chat is a viable way to chat about issues, concerns, and even complaints in a way that others can help without directly trying to bug the author.

While sadly, they do sometimes melt down to insult trips in one way or another, I hope an emulation author is also able to partake in good discussion, even if it's not all total praise. I'd like to think, and this could be MAJOR wishful thinking here, that everyone posting on the boards was not looking to rip Dave a new one.

Scott

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Name: markm Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (2:13)
Subject: honorable, but a waste of time
From: 203.164.3.179
There's truth in your words,
you have the right attitude,
but if these people can't bring themselves to
read a FAQ, then what hope have you got
of reading your guidelines?

Regards,

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Name: Studly Do-Right Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (0:48)
Subject: Good article...
From: 198.81.17.53
I just hope the people who REALLY need to do pay attention to the reasoning and common sense that was written into the article.


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Name: LePuke Posted: Monday, April 9, 2001 - (0:22)
Subject: the truth
From: 206.47.244.93
This article is the bare truth, period.

Every one who's been involved in this sordid affair should be ashamed of themselves....

Its like : you dont know me, i dont know you but, youre all my slaves now. You, youre reading this? bring me a coffee now! faster! (we dont know each other but i ordered you to do stuff for me on your free time, get it?).

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