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A different take on the situation... - April 17,2001 by Dorsola
Written by Dorsola
The last few weeks have marked a big change in the Emulation/Classic Gamingscene, as marked by the impending shutdown of one of the best emulationsites on the Web. After several years in operation, JoseQ is talking aboutshutting down this website entirely, so I felt that it would be good towrite an article discussing this whole issue from an alternative viewpoint.
I'm sure many of you are familiar with me by now. I've been a ratheroutspoken firebrand on the EV Board and in other forums regarding the stateof emulation as it exists today. I've been providing commentary, somewelcome and some not, on many of the issues surrounding emulation. I'vealso provided numerous reviews of classic games for this site, and I'vevery much enjoyed my relationship with JoseQ. He's been a goodfriend. Being a regular contributor to this site has given me quite a bitof insight into what it takes to run a site like this, and even a broaderview of what it takes to really BE somebody in the emulation community.
I've said numerous times that I think the "scene" was much cooler when wewere focusing on older games - the ones that started this industry in thefirst place. Those games appealed to a narrower audience, those of us whoare now in our twenties and thirties. Many of us grew up with those gamesand with the innovation they brought to the games industry, the technologyand computer industries, and to the technological movement that has shapedmuch of what we take for granted today.
The turning point for emulation came when the focus shifted to more recenthardware. Playstation, Nintendo 64 and CPS2 are just a fewexamples. While the hardware itself may be fairly old, it's still inpopular production today. More importantly, the games for these systemsare quite mainstream and appeal to a much larger audience: The currentgeneration. Emulation of these systems brought about many importantbreakthroughs in emulation, but it also attracted the mainstream audiencesto the emulation "scene". And unfortunately, history has shown that manyof these people simply wanted to play these games for free - regardless ofany interest in the hardware behind the games.
Now, what does all of this have to do with JoseQ? Quite a bit,actually. This site, Emuviews.com, has been a News & Reviews site forseveral years. During this time, it hosted thousands of ROM downloads, aswell as downloads for virtually every emulator available. (Some of that isstill available here now.) When the ROMs were removed for fear of legalrepercussions - a decision that I fully understand and support - this sitecame under heavy attack from a large number of people who had come toregard this site as just a ROMs repository.
When the Final Burn debacle occurred only about a week or two ago, theso-called Lamers that were heckling Dave (Final Burn's author) seemed tocome out of the woodwork and started blasting him full-force on theboards. Like the riots in Cincinatti, this quickly got out of hand andstarted involving innocent bystanders - two of which were JoseQ andmyself. The "final straw" for JoseQ was when an anonymous poster on the EVBoard impersonated him and attempted to make him look like he was aracist. The EV Board was unlinked not more than three hours later.
The Comments boards for news articles - which have been one of this site'smost endearing features - have recently become yet another place foranonymous posters to start flame wars. The rapid spamming activity thereand other peoples' attempts to deal with it resulted in quite a fewmisunderstandings, a couple of which have led to declarations by thissite's regular users that they will not be coming back. Whether these arereal claims or not, quite a bit of damage has been done, and now theComments boards have also disappeared.
So, largely due to the incessant flames that have besieged the community ingeneral (don't be misled into thinking this is the only site where ithappens), Emuviews.com has been reduced to a simple News & GeneralDownloads site, with a couple of very nice but unfortunatelyunder-appreciated features. JoseQ has expressed to me that he is feelingburned out on the site and is considering just shutting it downcompletely. While he has other reasons aside from the lamers forconsidering this, this is definitely a major part. Trying to deal withthese people has caused many good friendships to be hurt in one way oranother, and that's when it starts hitting home. As he said himself, "Icannot deal with people who hate me for no reason and hide behind anonymizers."
Let me tell you, I consider it a privilege to see this situation throughhis eyes. He has slaved over this website, building it up day after day,diligently posting news articles, the Rumor Mill, emulator downloads, ourcontributions to the Reviews section, and has until recently maintained awell-organized message board and the News Comments boards. He has put anincredible amount of money into running this site. He has done far morefor the emulation community than I think people realize. It's hard work.
And I know how much it can hurt when the efforts of a single man gounnoticed, unappreciated or even abused, as they have been time and timeagain here.
I'm sure I speak for all of the Emuviews.com supporters when I say that wedo appreciate all of your hard work, and we will respect your decision ifyou decide that it's time to call it quits.

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Name: John Posted: Thursday, July 22, 2004 - (23:07)
Subject: marvel vs. capcom 2
From: 69.158.107.174
who ever has marvel vs capcom 2:new age of heros for computer please reply and give the web site adress so i can get it.

THANK YOU

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Name: Gecko Posted: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 - (19:18)
Subject: lamers
From: surfer142.chipsnet.com
You people are bitching and complaining about so-called "lamers." I think that you need to wake up and see the big picture. People, like myself, download emulators and roms for one simple reason:to play games for free. Then, however, they see the hardware, and become interested in it. Many times, the debugers and basic emulation prorams are too complicated to be understood by someone who is computer illiterate. These "lamers," as you call them, then try to learn about them, and then become very interested in the entire emulation "scene." In turn, i've seen these "lamers" found some of the most helpful emulation sites on the net today. Some, in fact, have created some very exceptional emulators. This has happened to me and many of my friends, and I, quite frankly, am sick and tired of people complaining about the actions of other people. The real enemies are the people eliminating ROMs, Emulators, and entire emulation sites. Thank you all for being loyal members of the emulation community, and I hope that my voice is heard.
Gecko
P.S.: You may be seeing me a lot more.

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Name: Dethpigor Posted: Friday, April 20, 2001 - (18:02)
Subject: Legality can't be Overlooked
From: 143.55.185.99
The up-to-date information and reviews giove this site enough merit to warrant frequent visits. I enjoy reading reviews emulation news. Jose-Q has built a wonderful site.

Of course, without the roms, the site loses a great deal of appeal and functionality.

To me, the eventual removal of roms was inevitable--just a matter of "how long" until the legality of them is called into question. Like napster, I knew this was too good to be true.

We must face the reality that there are legal issues that will likely be defined in the near future. I completely understand Jose-Q's legal fears.

The bottom line is, as great as it is to have roms on one's web site, the legality of them is questionable enough that we should all understand his decision to remove them...

Thanks for the site, Jose-Q

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Name: JocPro Posted: Friday, April 20, 2001 - (9:59)
Subject: Hard Life
From: cache2r.reuna.cl
C'mon, i know the life is really hard. I live in a country where when you get a little higher than the rest, they knock you off. Maybe in your land this kind of stuff don't happens, but in the emu scene there are people from all over the world and we can't just throw the towel for a bunch of $!@#in' lammers. I think they wanted that you quit the scene ¿Envy, maybe?. Farewell. JocPro.

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Name: Seegaw Posted: Friday, April 20, 2001 - (5:29)
Subject: Why is emulation...
From: wdslppp183.mpls.uswest.net
home to so many sensitive flowers? If you don't like what someone says, you have a few choices. You can argue. You can ridicule. You can ignore. Or, as is so often the case in emuland, you can go red in the face and...

QUIT THE SCENE!

Heh. Buck up, old Jose. You don't really want to go off pouting, do you? :)

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Name: APE Posted: Thursday, April 19, 2001 - (22:45)
Subject: People
From: ac96bd22.ipt.aol.com
My friend is in the emulation scene to get things for free. He doesn't harass the authors though. His Friend is the same way. So is another. But I'm not. I may only be 14, but I grew up with, Commodores, Apples, Master Systems, Odysseys, and Colecovisions. I don't want the games for free. I don't bitch if something doesn't work. I just live with it and support the authors.

If you guys haven't noticed, but many a Pokemon sites have roms. These are 10 year olds who know that its free and they want it. These are the lamers. I say that we make a huge web page and put the ip addresses, e-mail accounts, phone numbers, home addresses, and anything else about them on it and let anybody mail-bomb them, harass them, and just plain torture them. I hate lamers. I have been accused of beeing a lamer by a Aluxcard on Efnet in CPS2Shock. Somehow I think he is the lamer. Only lamers would be lame enough to try to make people believe that a non-lamer is a lamer. I know a lot of people like that.

At my school I found SNES9X on a server and a Seiken Densetsu 3 save. I promply deleted them. I knew that someone used it for their personal gain. My lamer friends brother wanted to copy a file he had no clue about just to use SNES9X. He just wants it for free. I want to learn about the hardware. Thats one major reason I stay in emulation. Playing the games for free is a side effect. Not a right. Maybe those lamers just be sent to jail for harassment.

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 Name: Posted: Friday, April 20, 2001 - (6:44)
Subject: Re: People
From: isf1n1e1.seinf.abb.se
>lamers. I say that we make a huge web page and
> put the ip addresses, e-mail accounts, phone
> numbers, home addresses, and anything else
> about them on it and let anybody mail-bomb
> them, harass them, and just plain torture them.
Isn't his a bit too radical ? :)

I think this is one of the problems with this. Someone harass somebody, or to be correct, somebody sais something. Then somebody else takes this as an personal insult and returns some foul/mean words. All of a sudden a war has begun. And the ones being tortured is the ones having to read it and not being in the fight.

Nope, I'd say to do as you propose would only start a new war and possibly harm more inocent people.

>At my school I found SNES9X on a server and a
> Seiken Densetsu 3 save. I promply deleted them.
Why ? SNES9X is free. The save is also free. He/she maby also was looking at the technical part?

Have you thought about what this person "owning" these files thought when he/she found them gone? I don't think he/she though "dooh, now I had to buy a SNES". No, I'd say they more or like thought "Who's the son of a bith doing this? I'll kill him". By doing what you did didn't make the person in question to think, only angry.
Let the admins remove files not belonging there, that's what they're there for and people won't be pissed of finding out the admins removed something they wern't allowed to have anyway.

> I knew that someone used it for their personal
> gain. My lamer friends brother wanted to copy a
> file he had no clue about just to use SNES9X.
> He just wants it for free. I want to learn
> about the hardware. Thats one major reason I
Nice to see more people interesting in the technical part. But by helping others instead of not doing so, you can make them interested as well. They can't know if you don't tell them with LOTS of interesting stuff to excite them :)

Yours
Snejs

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Name: jay Posted: Thursday, April 19, 2001 - (22:14)
Subject: CPs2 ...
From: c69053-a.btnrug1.la.home.com
Is it just me, or has any Capcom junkie ever stop to think how much money he has spent on the arcades, bought the playstaion versions, and on rare occasions even went far enough to buy the arcade machine (MVC2).

I don't have any problem download cps2 games because quite frankly, I deserve them for spending what? Over a thousand dollars on capcom arcades, and I even bought MVC2 the arcade machine. Joseq has a great site, I have never requested anything from him, nor any other person, for anything in the entire "emuscene" If you have a game, I'll happly download it and if the link works, You get a banenr click, a valid click in which I actaully spend time on the site.

But on the same account, I never thanked him Either. SO thankyou JOseQ for your site, you helped me get some of the games I have for the psx, and I can now play them with out the freakin load times and scratching sounds.

I don't completely agree with most peoples idea of emulation though, I don't think emulation should be kept only in classic games. It helps a lot of people play games that have no good console ports, or some casses, e.g. Neogeo, kof 99 e.t.c., can't be played at all. I spent almsot 2 dollars eveyrday at my local arcades, and trust me, Capcom won't mind if I download the rom for a cps2 game if they know I already spent 200 dollars in tokens on it.


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Name: Posted: Thursday, April 19, 2001 - (22:13)
Subject:
From: c69053-a.btnrug1.la.home.com
Is it just me, or has any Capcom junkie ever stop to think how much money he has spent on the arcades, bought the playstaion versions, and on rare occasions even went far enough to buy the arcade machine (MVC2).

I don't have any problem download cps2 games because quite frankly, I deserve them for spending what? Over a thousand dollars on capcom arcades, and I even bought MVC2 the arcade machine. Joseq has a great site, I have never requested anything from him, nor any other person, for anything in the entire "emuscene" If you have a game, I'll happly download it and if the link works, You get a banenr click, a valid click in which I actaully spend time on the site.

But on the same account, I never thanked him Either. SO thankyou JOseQ for your site, you helped me get some of the games I have for the psx, and I can now play them with out the freakin load times and scratching sounds.

I don't completely agree with most peoples idea of emulation though, I don't think emulation should be kept only in classic games. It helps a lot of people play games that have no good console ports, or some casses, e.g. Neogeo, kof 99 e.t.c., can't be played at all. I spent almsot 2 dollars eveyrday at my local arcades, and trust me, Capcom won't mind if I download the rom for a cps2 game if they know I already spent 200 dollars in tokens on it.


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Name: Nighthawk Posted: Thursday, April 19, 2001 - (21:19)
Subject: Emulation
From: spider-wk043.proxy.aol.com
It truly paines me to see what has happened to emulation in the past few months. I first got into emulation back in 1992 or so running emulators on my 286 and 386sx computers. At that time, emulating something such as the Apple II plus or Commodore 64 (at 10-20% speed yet) was considdered a MAJOR accomplishment. I have been purchasing consoles, computers, and carts since 1979. If I see a good game--no matter what machine it is for--I have purchased it. I have carts for obscure machines that I will unlikely ever own. This said, I wish that the emulation scene would begin to asking the question "Should we emulate this" rather than "Could we emulate this." Hopefully, the scene will again focus on PRESERVING games rather than just getting free ROMZ.

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Name: Shade2074 Posted: Thursday, April 19, 2001 - (19:26)
Subject: You will be missed
From: h0000e84ffe74.ne.mediaone.net
I took a break from the scene for a wile for a new addition to my family, only to come back and see it in shambles. I'm still not sure quite what happend, or how it came to this, but I am sorry to see you in this state. As a silent watcher though I have come to very much enjoy your efforts through your site and only now do I wish that in the past I said something more. I can't make up for the past, but I'll take the time now. Thank you for sharing so much time with us, and giving us a great site to look forward to day after day. I'm sorry for not saying it in the past, like so many other nice things I take for granted.
If you should decide to take a break from it all or even quit, you will be missed, but I for one will both respect your decision and understand your reasons for doing so.
Thank you again for all your time and efforts, I wish we had a few more of you in the scene, and in everyday life.
Good luck in what ever you choose to do, both online, and in life.

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Name: Davo Posted: Thursday, April 19, 2001 - (19:04)
Subject: Legality?!?
From: webcachem08b.cache.pol.co.uk
In the space of time that I have owned my PC (almost 2 years now) I have logged onto this website almost every second day, eagerly awaiting the latest releases of the hardware I still own which is confined to a box somewhere up my loft. My SNES packed up a year ago, I have all my games for it running through ZSNES, My arcade machine with 'Wonderboy in Monster Land' has a corrupt graphics chip, it runs happily on MAME, my playstation is working fine, but the graphics are rough on some of the games, emulation made my old collection of games more playable and better looking, My ZX Spectrum+ is bubble-wrapped in a box alongside my ZX81, the software (200+ games) is strewn across the loft floor, RealSpec lets me play all my old games. My Master System is still working, but it's more convenient to play on the PC, I have only the games i currently own on cartridge. My Game Boy and Atari Lynx are still fine but GB games look better in colour with stereo sound, and my Lynx eats batteries like hell!!
Finally, my Dreamcast takes pride of place underneath mt TV set, I have no wish to Emulate it, or even see it emulated, cos it runs damn perfect all the time anyway :o)
My conclusion......

.....we're not all lamers JoseQ :o)

Hope you make the right decision

All the best

Davo

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Name: Schmoov Posted: Thursday, April 19, 2001 - (5:36)
Subject: Shut all the sites down!
From: stena.hbv.de
Shutting every emu site would be the only way to get rid of the lamers. There are various sources for old sceners which the lamers will never be able to get to...

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Name: init_2.win Posted: Thursday, April 19, 2001 - (0:08)
Subject: wheres the roms?
From: 1cust145.tnt1.feathersound.fl.da.uu.net
ive been waiting forever, thx.

have a nice day.

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Name: bwb Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (23:57)
Subject: Do What is best for you :)
From: buttons.uark.edu
Do what you want to do JoseQ, if you are burned out nothing we say will help, take some time off, maybe pass on the site to someone else :)

bwb

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Name: Dr. K Valgada Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (22:39)
Subject: Piolo's victory !
From: 200.190.238.39
Need to say more?

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Name: Capcom Fan Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (19:41)
Subject: I can believe!
From: 200.210.185.253
We can't let another great guy like you leave us alone...
Just to say that a lot of people in the world respect your
decision but we really want you to stay!!!

You made a great job!
Brazil

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Name: Mythos Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (19:16)
Subject: Too bad !
From: ppp24-065-gw01.athens.access.acn.gr
It has become a trend recently , I guess, that great sites shut down because the owner can't take it any more.
Jose, if you read this, know that most of the people who visit your site like it, and respect your decision.
While I must say that I wasn't very happy that you took down the rom archives, I must respect your decision, since it is after all your site, which I use for free. You do all the work, pay the bills and (maybe) risk a lawsuit from one of the game companies.
Unfortunately it seems that the emulation scene is turning into a new "warez" scene, and I must say that I don't like this any more than you do.
So, I hope you decide to just take some time off and think about it, instead of closing tha site down for good.
If you decide to do that, then good luck with whatever you do next. I wish I could tell you ro just ingore all those flames, but I know how hard it is to do that, still think that most of the people who visit your site do it because they like it !
That's got to mean something to you ...

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Name: Sir Lancetom Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (18:36)
Subject:
From: p3ee3ff63.dip.t-dialin.net
JoseQ - every day, right after checking the emails I go straight to your site, with or without roms. Y1our site is the haven, from wich I started shipping the seas of emulation a few years ago.
Shutting your site down would make me feel quite sad, but whatever you decide to do - I will respect your decission, despising the ones responsible for it.
Greetings from Germany and the best for you. TOMMES

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Name: Kurgan Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (17:09)
Subject: Well, in any case...
From: bdslppp186.desm.uswest.net
I love the reviews on this site, and if JoseQ plans to shut it down completely, I'd love it if some other site could be given the current reviews (which I still enjoy reading, and was hoping to contribute to, but I've got finals these next two weeks) so those could continue.

I would never post anonymous flames to the staff of this site, unless they really did something really wrong (and so far, they've given me no reason to think they have. And even if I felt the need to criticize, I'd use my own handle). ; ) I would try to be constructive, not bash simply to make them look bad or swear at them (and certainly not impersonate them, that's just immature).

It was inevitable that the 'hot' topic of final burn would get hotter, and the issue of the roms was to be expected. However nobody need bash JoseQ or his friends for issues beyond their control. I certainly don't see any reason for it. Again, hopefully this won't all go down the tubes because it is percieved that a vocal "lamer minority" sees fit to attack it. I agree, nobody likes to be insulted, even if it is by an anonymous person in text-format. I don't blame JoseQ or Dorsola for being angry. But we all get that from time to time from somebody.

I'm sick and tired, frankly of people quitting good things because they "can't take it" (from the lamers) anymore. Hey, I know it sucks when people are ungrateful or whiney, but is it really that bad? But, I can't force good sites to continue delivering their content, my personal will is not supreme in these matters, so best of luck, come what may.

I personally hope this site continues, even if in a radically different form, as I like discussing and reading comments about old games. I don't care if your classics are from the 1990's the 1980's or the 1970's. I don't think 30something or 20something retrogamers OWN the scene or should OWN it more than those in their teens. Of course we all resent those who act as if it's only about free games and bashing whomever doesn't do what we want right now, the way we want it (without contributing anything ourselves). In short, those who simply whine and complain and blame others when things don't go their way. Those people should chill. But everyone, regardless of their age, I think has equal claim to the "scene" to express their appreciation for the games they remember from the arcades. That's the beauty of the scene, when we can coexist and discuss our gaming past and share stories.

My thoughts.

Here's hoping you continue,

Kurgan

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Name: Daniel Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (16:46)
Subject: yes
From: proxy2-external.rdc1.mi.home.com
I have been following the emu scene for a lot of years. In all the years I have been following this "scene", I have never posted on message boards, etc. In fact, this is the first. So, I guess this is a "Thank You" to everyone who reads this that has been involved with emulation, be it news sites, programmers, or any other roles that exist. Emulation is still the coolest thing I have found on the internet.

take care!

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Name: PoderOmega Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (16:05)
Subject: seriousness
From: sea.divms.uiowa.edu
Emulation is great, but you can't take it so seriously. Guess what, we can't do anything about the lamers. Articles about lamers or readme for lamers lamers are almost never read by lamers, that's why they are lamers. When you have a site like this you DO have to deal with it. You can't sit there saying "I dont have to deal with this! I've contributed so much to emulation..." Nope, sorry. You're a popular site and you have to deal with it and if you cant... goodbye. But I'd be sorry to see you go.

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Name: JoseQ :) Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (16:04)
Subject: great guy, great site
From: ras13-p204.tlv.netvision.net.il
hey,
the 1st time i hit this site was for roms.. while i was just surfing.. few years ago..

my sole interest was spectrum.. :) roms. throughout the years i came back over and over again, at the begining for the games i loved so much, but as the time went by, i found the news and especially the roumor mill the best news source about emulation. i actually waited for thursdays for the mill :)
it's a shame some ppl r lamers.. :( but that's ppl.

if this site goes down it's gonna b a massive loss for the community, and i hope it won't happen.

regardless of that, thank u JoseQ for this great site.

i hope u'll enjoy everything u choose to do in the future !!

best warm regards

avih.

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Name: Galaga7 Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (15:47)
Subject: The Show Must Go On
From: lexky-rt6.mis.net
I have supported JoseQ for a long time now. Many great news reports have come thru and the rumor mills have provided great news on projects.

It is true that while most of us grew up in the "Classic" era (And I remember the days) that emulation reached new highs and lows. While the preservation of Arcade games from PAC-MAN to Killer Instinct and classic consoles like Intellivision and Atari 2600 were great causes, I think it began to get out of hand with emulations of the Playstation, N64, and the Dreamcast as most of the lamers decided they wanted their games supported and harassed the authors to the point of pulling the plug. And While I supported emulations of the Capcom ZN1 & ZN2 systems, which were altered Playstations for the arcade (The Impact) and CPS2, the authors of the emus Impact and Final Burn did not deserve to be treated with such disrespect by the lamers.

If you Lamers had brain one in your melons, you would hold back on your useless lies, demands, and verbal attacks as you should know that supporting emulation is also known as a risky game of legal hardball. To this day, I'll bet it was the lamers that got the authors of UltraHLE in trouble with Nintendo and set them off on their ISDA backed anti-emulation campaign. And I'll bet some of those lamers work for Nintendo and told the higher powers about it just to make extra $$$$.

Nevertheless, JoseQ, You are considered a Saint of emulation in my book for contributing to the community. And even if you decide to pull the plug on EmuViews, remember, THE SHOW MUST GO ON!

-->Galaga7

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Name: adnans Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (15:26)
Subject: damn the mainstream.
From: c627074-a.olmpi1.wa.home.com
the mainstream ruins everything. they want changes, additions, things removed, etc. why? they think their the only people in the world that matter.

i remember watching liquidtv (remember that show?) on mtv years and years ago... they had this show with these two morons that went to a monster truck show and a giant crapcloud ended out the show by covering the stadium full of fecal matter. everyone i told about the show said 'thats stupid, blahblahba, sounds like crap (no pun!)'. a year or so later, everyone was talking about beavis and butthead. mtv bent to public opinion and kept changing the show, until it was turned into a worthless waste of time. the mainstream ruined it for me.

now, i got into emulation back around when nesticle was still seeing releases. hardly anyone knew about it, and they did it to relive old games they played long long ago, but couldn't anymore. i had a few roms, just the ones i had owned through the years. cps1 was emulated, and things went bad from there. the mainstream has come, and is demaning things that are totally unreasonable. 'i want to know when you're going to have this brand new game emulated!' and so on...

mainstream morons need to realize something: this isn't being done to play games for free. theres a reason i have a small patch of skin missing on my hand right now, its due to an arcade stick at a local Tilt. emulation is done to keep games from going into obscurity, not to save you from spending a couple of bucks and time spent in the arcade!

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Name: Emufanboy Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (15:23)
Subject: Old Games
From: cc899840-a.lwrnc1.in.home.com
I really hate what's been happening to emulation over the last few years, and I can tell you I've been following the scene a long time. I've been around long enough to remember the days before "MAME" was unleashed, and emulating something like SNES was a dream we never thought we'd see.

I agree with those who say that a great majority of the problems stem from the newer games being emulated. Which brings up a question about this site:

If it's a problem, why cover the newer systems? Why not just focus on older systems, consoles, and computers? Eliminate the problem by not carrying information about N64, PSX, or Gameboy Advanced Emulators.

Personally, some of us could use a refuge where we can find information on older systems being emulated (which is beginning to be an area that's overlooked...)

Just a thought. I don't want to see this site go. I've been coming here a long time, I've been clicking ads when I felt it would help, and I stuck to this place even after the ROMs were gone. I understand being burned out...so maybe the updates should be less frequent, if it'll help. But, it would really be sad to see it all go away, and it would be unfortunate for those of us that have been here despite the adversities that have cropped up from time to time.

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Name: Fatal Zapper Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (15:18)
Subject: Emulation
From: webcachem07b.cache.pol.co.uk
JOSE Q, your site has been the best, weither those lamers hate it or not; its their loss.
All your loyal fans will support any decision (weither you blow up the world)
and you probably know that.
If you do decide to go then dont just sneak out the back door, do something really big to leave, a big celeberation, or a big issue of Romour Mill, so that you go with a bang.
Otherwise you could have it hanging in the back of your head for a long time.
Good Luck whatever you do,
Good Luck.

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Name: Jesse Micheals (Sugga Daddy) Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (15:18)
Subject: Game Over :(
From: adsl-63-238-185.mia.bellsouth.net
Thanks for the years of dedication you've given us Jose Q. I'd hate to see the site close, but i myself am fed up with the scene as of late. The bickering, whining by either the fans or the authors. Its really hectic, but theres always a good side. The games will still be there, and hopefully your friends will be there. So good luck my friend, see you on irc sometime. Btw Jose, if you ever want to find a site of quality like yours the day you do want to download an emu or find out the latest news check out www.emuhelp.com. Belive me when i say, its of JoseQ quality and that is to say that its of greatnes.

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Name: Adam M. Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (15:16)
Subject: Emuviews
From: 209-239-214-48.lax.jps.net
Some may remember me from my arcadeheaven days.

I wanted to let Jose Q. know that there are those of us who respect, and appreciate the work he has done, and understand how difficult it is to take unwarranted abuse.

Few realize just how much time, effort, and money some put into the "scene". as with the Final Burn situation this is a sad day, and it should be pointed out that those narrow minded individuals who harrass Great sites/authors into retirement aren't true emu fans.

To Jose Q. Thanks for the everything you've put into the scene, and if need be walk away with your head held high!

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Name: Michi Mueller Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (14:55)
Subject: . . . . .
From: p3e9e2025.dip.t-dialin.net
:(

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Name: BlackIce Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (14:53)
Subject: About the Lamers!
From: ip171.stamford7.ct.pub-ip.psi.net
I usually visit this site at least once a day, at varying times of the day, depending on my work...hehe! Anyways, lamers are like a bad rash, they flare up and then they go away. Don't worrry about stupid, foolish people, because you will meet them everyday, whether in real life or on the net. Just ignore them, because they are not well informed or behaved people that just come around to find ways to leech roms and start flames. They WILL "ruin" the scene if we let them. Do us a favor, JoseQ. Don't be another statistic. 'Cuz we need sites like yours, man. Peace....

BlackIce

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Name: Pelican Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (14:11)
Subject: Lamers
From: ss05.ny.us.ibm.com
There are always "lamers" no matter where you go or the subject matter. They are the stupid, or slightly educated that think they know it all because they know a little. There words are empty and worthless. Consider anonymous posts as a fart on the message base of your choice. It stinks up the place and as a fart it dies and falls to the ground in the end, no matter how it lingers. Jose, you are emulation, we all are, those who program, report, host news and info, all of us. That will never die. Pac-Man never died dor will we. If you go from this site you will still be a part of emulation, you will still program and play, history is being made here. There have been ups and down with me as with other, thats life, but I can always drop a quarter or #3 and forget about the crap. Lamers are another piece of crap that floats down the river of life. Call the poolman and fish 'em out. Don't let a great person, a great coder, a site master walk away from who he's become because of a few terds in the pool. Either clean the pool or have someone else cleant the pool. We can have impartial moderators on the boards, we something stupid or indignate is posted or "non" emulator related, delete them. You can removed replys like this from your web page. Your words are what matter, the news, the mills. The heck with the users comments if they are a pain in the ass, call the pool man, but dont turn away from your faithful followers :) Think about it, if you love it stay, if your done, drop the last coin in the slow and show us the game over message :)

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Name: Shadow Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (13:48)
Subject: My support
From: cache.iae.nl
Hello JoseQ and all,

I came in contact with emulation back in 1993 or 1994 when I was still in school.
A couple of buddies and I decided to revolutionize the world by making an MSX2 emulator
for our PCs. It never came off the ground though. I bought my first emulator 'Z80', a
Spectrum emu in 1994.
There was no Emu-scene then, at least I had not discovered it yet.
Later I discovered that there were a lot of guys on the net who just loved the old
systems and kept them alive by emulating them. I even found some of my quarter-swallowing
arcade addictions were emulated in Raine, Mame and System16.
Message boards were places where questions on old games and hardware were asked and answered.
Nowadays, they are a commonplace for ROM-floods and 4-letter words.
I know that I sound like an old f*rt right now, but I am only 29.

I also look out for the new PSX emulator, but one of the games that I have does not work
perfectly, I don't shoot off my mouth to the person who created a great program for free.
I just play on the real thing until yet another version of the emulator arrives.

I visit EV every day, and more times on Wednesdays. The Rumor Mill is a highlight of the week.
Not only the creators of emulators contribute ot the scene, also the maintainers of news pages
like EV, and the reporters that supply the news.

I salute you, JoseQ on a job well done.
I hope that you can find the inspiration and joy to continue your work.
Just remember, you do not do it for the lamers, you do it for the fans.

PS: I notice no lame posts in this thread. Either they do not pay attention to this thread,
or they realize the dammage that they have done already.

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Name: fivefeet8 Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (13:34)
Subject: just a thought
From: 198.189.164.10
"ignorance will end emulation and is the root of all evil.."-somebody

been coming here for 2 years now... Still a great site... Thanks JoseQ. Remember that we, the true emu fans, do appreciate this site and all the persons involved in its continuance...

"Teachers get a lot of bad students but it only takes one good student to make it all worthwhile"-aTeacher

"Don't look at the bad, cause it will make you sick, but look at the good and it will keep this site going"-me


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Name: D@Z Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (13:31)
Subject: Right behind you
From: inktomi2-lee.server.ntl.com
Well said Dorsola.Wise words.I totally agree with you and Joseq.

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Name: The_Scarf Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (13:25)
Subject: Thanks for this page of emulation!
From: bruink01.chello.be
Thanks for those years of Emulation new, rumour mills, downloads... Damn, it's really sad to see the roots of emulation disappearing this way...
May you have lot of fun whatever you do next!!!

(Now I remember I miss Emu News World badly)

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Name: richard Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (12:47)
Subject: emmulation
From: userbg33.netscapeonline.co.uk
having grown up with the sinclait zx80 zx81, spectrum, C64 and so on
i can only thank all at emuviews for there hard work and effort, if you
decide to give it up, so be it, but thanks for all the
good times!!!
cherrs

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Name: (-o-) Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (12:31)
Subject: Thanks JoseQ
From: 212.21.228.22
If you decide to leave the scene it's your choise, there are a lot of lamers out there who aren't (and will never be) able to appreciate the enormous job you do and have done all these years (I've been involved since '96) but there are a lot of people who DO appreciate it, unfourtunately the comparison in quantity is ridiculous, but don't go thinking you are alone or uncredited just a bit, I just have to say that in case you "retire" your place in the scene won't be replaced, we will have to retire your number... won't we?... ;-)

My best wishes...

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Name: trenthead Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (12:06)
Subject: what a shame!
From: c205521-b.saltlk1.ut.home.com
emuviews is one of the top emulation sites. what a shame that a bunch of pricks are causing Jose to think about shutting down. regardless of your decision, thanks for everything jose!

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Name: YaZ Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (12:04)
Subject: It's been coming our way now.
From: 62.7.249.6
Anyone remember Node99? I started the scene when the internet was in its infancy (sheesh I still remember using Quarterdeck Mosaic. IE was non-existant) Back then it was MSX all the way for me, only the enthusiasts saw it my way. Node99 was my first time, and it also introduced me to the early days of emulation (old UAE, that old snes emulator I can't remember the name of but ran so quickly on my 486, etc) It seems that since the CPS1, NeoGeo, ZN1 and ZN2 craze we've lost our ways. For me I hope the scene falls into obscurity, it's far too accessable to the masses (who are as we know a little fewlish) Those of us that are in the know can easily find our ways around, and those that are looking to leech will find it increasingly more difficult to do so.

Just my take on things . . . enjoy yerself JoseQ, u more than most deserve to do so. Just a thanX from me (I also send thanx to all the others who have been screwed by lamers, Dave, Nicola, NeoRage, etc)

Take care, best Reg


YaZ
y_abbas at hotmail dot com

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 Name: Filip.. Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (13:47)
Subject: Re: It's been coming our way now.
From: d212-151-241-215.swipnet.se
>Anyone remember Node99?

Yupp.. Was one of the news sniffer for it..

Sure miss that one.. still waiting for him to re enter the scene..

> Node99 was my first time, and it also introduced me to the early days of emulation (old UAE, that old snes emulator I can't remember the name of but ran so quickly on my 486, etc)

I think it was VSMC.. it became shareware and then dissapeared, right?

>It seems that since the CPS1, NeoGeo, ZN1 and ZN2 craze we've lost our ways.

Not everyone has lost their ways..
btw.. check this out..
http://www.geoshock.com/editorials/11july1999/
and what's left of the Node99
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Arcade/9753/


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 Name: Fantastic ;-) Posted: Thursday, April 19, 2001 - (5:55)
Subject: Re: Re: It's been coming our way now.
From: 62.7.249.6
Great links, thnx for the reply dude.

Geoshock summed it up perfectly (gosh he even talks about the MSX ;-)) far too good).







>>Anyone remember Node99?
>
>Yupp.. Was one of the news sniffer for it..
>
>Sure miss that one.. still waiting for him to re enter the scene..
>
>> Node99 was my first time, and it also introduced me to the early days of emulation (old UAE, that old snes emulator I can't remember the name of but ran so quickly on my 486, etc)
>
>I think it was VSMC.. it became shareware and then dissapeared, right?
>
>>It seems that since the CPS1, NeoGeo, ZN1 and ZN2 craze we've lost our ways.
>
>Not everyone has lost their ways..
>btw.. check this out..
>http://www.geoshock.com/editorials/11july1999/
>and what's left of the Node99
>http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Arcade/9753/
>
>
>

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Name: The Mighty Thor! Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (11:53)
Subject: Great Work
From: darax1-220.dialup.optusnet.com.au
I wont pretend that I come here regularly, but I do check it out from time to time. This is definately a hobbie for JoseQ, at least it should be since hobbies give us enjoyment. If the hobbie is not enjoyable anymore, then it's time to move on and find another.
If you do plan to keep the site open, then perhaps maybe you could change it to reflect the proper emulation community that was here from the beginning. As in things like C64, Amiga, Spectrum. All the old classics. Not the PSX, then N64's, none of that. We should keep the emulation scene pure as it used to be. Made mainly for memories and reliving them. Not playing games we are too stupid to go out and buy on current systems.
All the best J. You've done an increadible effort with this site.

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Name: FatheadX Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (11:41)
Subject: Support
From: 205.167.23.140
JoseQ, Here's another lurker sending you best wishes and a belated 'thank you!' for your great site. It was the first one I found when I was a newbie and I still check the site every day. I certainly hope you'll continue, but if you don't, we will understand. You've provided a great service without compensation, and in this country, that's amazing! ;-) Thanks JoseQ!

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Name: Kommunisator Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (11:36)
Subject: The good ole´ days
From: cw07.wes1.srv.t-online.de
I fully agree on the statements made about the "change" in emulation attitude. I started off myself emulating the C64 on my 486 (slowmo: on), then I was infected, I could´n´t stop, although I never begged for roms (they are easy to find if you know HOW to look for them), I downloaded them tons apiece. In the past 2 years, my attitude has changed. I suddenly started buying the consoles, I formerly only knew through emulation, I started to buy the ones which are not emulated yet such as Saturn, Jaguar, 3DO (would like to see this one as an emu, tougher than CPS2? maybe) because I wanted THE GAMES, nothing else. As of now, I own or have access to almost every major system which came out after, say 1986 (except NeoGeo and PCEngine, cost control ;) ) and I hope that the current generation of rom beggars and "lamers" will change their attitude like this as well, because playing the stuff is one story, but OWNING it is another.
Some games have become holy grails for me, and I will probably not rest before I own genuine copies or carts of Vampire Chronicles (DC), Radiant Silvergun (Saturn or ST-V) and Viewpoint (NeoGeo Cart, the PSX version lacks the spirit). It is good to have goals to save money for.

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Name: [vEX] Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (11:35)
Subject: peace
From: h137n1fls33o873.telia.com
i just wanna say that whatever your decision will be i support it 100%
it's sad that sites are shut down and emus discontinued because ppl can't appreciate other ppl's work that they do entierly free
JoseQ and all others that ever worked here: i hope the best for you ...

I recommend you to listen to: "Metallca - Fade To Black" (lyrics: http://roadrunner440.tripod.com/lightning/fadetoblack.html)
since the text could be compared with the emulation scene

"Death Greets me warm, now I will just say goodbye"
peace
over and out, [vEX]

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Name: Ozymandias Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (11:20)
Subject: Support
From: 213.194.152.76
JoseQ, you had one of the best emulation-related webpages, and have been a source of inspiration for many of us. Your final decision will be supported by the whole emu community.

Thanks for all.

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Name: jSPY Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (11:16)
Subject: thanx
From: ac885564.ipt.aol.com
Thanx JoseQ for all you've done!

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Name: Crisis Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (11:10)
Subject:
From: 1cust68.tnt2.mel1.da.uu.net
Thanx for all you've done for us Over the years...


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Name: Headbanger Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (10:58)
Subject: Ups, Lamers...
From: proxy.p-ol.com
I know, its not easy to handle with this sh!t Lamers...

So, please ignore them...you know: turn arround and leave...

When they pull out lies about u, and the people who visit your Site listen to this sh!t, they are not better then the Lamer himself...

Yes, the Time is changing...nothing is like it was...

I remember this wonderfull Days in the C64-Scene...but: Lamers are everywhere...they stole you Intro and and and...

Nobody in real Live listen to this People who we called: LAMER

so: DONT GIVE THIS FOLKS A PLATFORM...JUST IGNORE THEM AND IGNORE ALL PEOPLE WHO LISTEN TO THEM...

Sometimes, i thought, its a Moneymakingjob...to "LAME" somewhere...and sometimes i thought, that some Guys earn Money when they Laming on the EMU-SCENE...dont ask me who pays them ;)

Stay a while....stay forever!


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Name: Headbanger Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (10:56)
Subject: Ups, Lamers...
From: proxy.p-ol.com
I know, its not easy to handle with this sh!t Lamers...

So, please ignore them...you know: turn arround and leave...

When they pull out lies about u, and the people who visit your Site listen to this sh!t, they are not better then the Lamer himself...

Yes, the Time is changing...nothing is like it was...

I remember this wonderfull Days in the C64-Scene...but: Lamers are everywhere...they stole you Intro and and and...

Nobody in real Live listen to this People who we called: LAMER

so: DONT GIVE THIS FOLKS A PLATFORM...JUST IGNORE THEM AND IGNORE ALL PEOPLE WHO LISTEN TO THEM...

Sometimes, i thought, its a Moneymakingjob...to "LAME" somewhere...and sometimes i thought, that some Guys earn Money when they Laming on the EMU-SCENE...dont ask me who pays them ;)

Stay a while....stay forever!


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Name: Karl H. Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (10:54)
Subject: A possible road ahead
From: 12.134.okr02.dialup.enitel.no
Just want to write and give my support to JoseQ, I've visited EmuViews daily for more than a year, and it has been the site with the best information-to-noise ratio, IMHO.

Sadly, the last year we've seen the "scene" getting nastier and nastier, and at the same time, one of the holy grails of emulation - CPS2.

It seems that everytime something of "mass market" interest has been emulated, the lamers show up. Notable examples are NeoGeo, CPS-1, Mortal Kombat in MAME, Impact, Nintendo-64 emulation etc.

Every time, some of the real contributors to emulation gets hurt.

Perhaps its time to lie low for a while, there are plenty of projects not yet done which hopefully won't attract the lamers:

*Enhancements - I think the recent thread on retrogames about video screen rasters was interesting, hopefully something like this will show up in emulators soon. Although I own a few arcade games myself, I would love to see emulators getting even closer to the real arcade experience.

*Correcting current drivers - some of the greatest joy for me from MAME updates the last year were from drivers updated to work correctly, for example finally having a correctly functioning NBA Jam. Also sound on the newer Taito games in Raine and MAME. Just stay away from the never games for a while.

*More obscure console emulators - AFAIK, neither the Jaguar nor the Saturn are correctly emulated yet. As the PSX/N64/Dreamcast/PS2 crew generally disdrains older consoles, releases won't attract too much lamerness. Personally, I've never had the chance to experience any of these consoles first-hand (never seen either of them here in Norway), I would love to get a sneak peek at the games I missed.

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Name: Sorteslyngel Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (10:22)
Subject:
From: 130.227.139.23
As Alex 75 stated it : without roms, with or without lamers, i simply want to start internet with THIS page.

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Name: -=Bi0hAzArD=- Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (10:16)
Subject: =) Thanks JoseQ
From: unknown-23-155.pilot.net
I have hit this site daily for years and years. Through the end of my college career and into my daily grind of 8-5. I have seen the changes and all are welcome. hmmmm cut to the point.... Thank you

-=Bi0hAzArD=-

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Name: JoseQ Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (10:06)
Subject: Thanks for all the support
From: 216.42.53.2
I want to say thanks to everyone who voiced their support overnight. I didn't reply to each entry, since there's a lot of them, but I did reply to some that needed some clarification. I did read them all though. Thanks so much!

After a lot of thinking, I've figured out some new ways of cleaning up the site, so the site should be here to stay, and of course, there will be a Rumor Mill posted tonight. =)

JoseQ

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 Name: Superfly Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (11:06)
Subject: Way to go
From: cbs-cache1-e2a.saix.net
Hi JoseQ, I am a 22 y/o nobody who visits your site quite a lot for a few years now (Actually it's my homepage). I have posted on here a quite a bit and I am very glad to see that you will manage to keep this site alive. Emulation is actually all I am on the internet for nowadays, and I feel if this site goes dowm, emulation also goes down. (One of those chain effects) I am sure there are lots of people like me who really apreciate what you are doing, and who are unable to show their endless gratitude. Fine, there is always the other sites, but emulation just wouldn't sound right without "JoseQ" in it. You have done much for the emulation scene, although people don't always realise it. You too have done much Dorsola. Anyway, should this site ever shut down in the near feature or in ten or twenty years or whenever, you will always have my support and understanding, even if I am just one of the countless nobodies out there. Thank goodness I don't have to find a new homepage as of yet ;-)

Thanks again for everything you have done for the scene. And kudos to all the hardcore retrogamers who didn't stop playing the classics after CPS2, playstation andsoforth started taking things over.

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 Name: miguel Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (10:11)
Subject: Re: Thanks for all the support
From: 158-vale-x13.libre.retevision.es
>I want to say thanks to everyone who voiced their support overnight. I didn't reply to each entry, since there's a lot of them, but I did reply to some that needed some clarification. I did read them all though. Thanks so much!
>
>After a lot of thinking, I've figured out some new ways of cleaning up the site, so the site should be here to stay, and of course, there will be a Rumor Mill posted tonight. =)
>
>JoseQ
>

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Name: Garou Ogami Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (10:00)
Subject: It´s sad...
From: telco-m-sao-203.ajato.com.br
Congratulations, lammers... another one bites the dust...
It´s really sad to see the "scene" collapsing this way.
It's even sadder to see people from my country, Brazil, poisoning and buggin' the good people who provide us the chance to remember the past.
Peace, JoseQ. And thaks for all the information, all the entertainment you provided.
Games are just for fun. Keep in mind that, readers.

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Name: Micael Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (9:36)
Subject: Thank you
From: 200-223-197-90.nuxnet.com.br
Jose

I'm a regular visitor of your site since the first days of mame (0.30) and talk with you sometimes in the IRC. Is really sad see some ppl wasting time doing such things like personal insults and hidding themselves in annonymity.

If your final decision is close down your site, Be aware of the fact that how many ppl really know how much effort you put to run your site at this point, so just ignore the stupid stuff ppl are saying . Remember: Is easy insult somebody when you not face to face to him...

Well, I think I`m talking for me and rest of the ppl of the first times of classic emulation: "We'll really miss you, dude!"

Be happy

Micael

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Name: Tyler Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (9:14)
Subject: My thoughts again JoseQ!
From: user___4.nf.sympatico.ca
Well, I have only seen this site for the past 8 or 9 months which doesn't seem that long considering some of you say you were here for a few years but I really like this site alot. I hope you don't shut this site down JoseQ because it's pretty much the only reason I go on the net. I'm 13 and most people will probably think of me as a lamer or that I'm too young to appreciate emulation for what it really is or stuff like that but I do appreciate emulation and I do appreciate this site and hope that JoseQ keeps it up. I know what it is like to not be appreciated for your work, it happens to me every day. But really JoseQ, do what you think is best.

P.S. Could I become a mod? Just say no if I can't

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 Name: JoseQ Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (10:08)
Subject: Re: My thoughts again JoseQ!
From: 216.42.53.2
>P.S. Could I become a mod? Just say no if I can't

The initial Moderator task force will include mostly regulars of the EV Chat whom I have talked for months on a regular basis, and which I trust will make clever decisions as to which posts to delete. So I guess the easiest way to become a moderator, is to go into the EV Chat and chat with me for months. =P

JoseQ

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Name: Gedeon ! Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (8:51)
Subject:
From: 1cust203.tnt3.dial.nan2.fr.uu.net
JoseQ please...close down !!
For news of emulation scene: a lot of others sites are here and better!
For roms: the same, emuviews is only a chicken sh!t!
The really hero are emulator autors like Dave for example, we must respect him!
But emuviews is not a "free service" like Jose want to make believe :look all the banners!it's a cash opportunity and we have good news anywhere else and roms like i said (www.aceroms.com,www.rcroms.com).

Many thanks for Dave and others heros of emulation scene.
!@#$ opportunists and websites chicken sh!t !

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 Name: Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (14:52)
Subject: Re:
From: lyoink01.chello.fr
I bet Aceroms and rcroms generate more money than emuviews btw - and the people running those sites are no heroes, nor is Dave. Could you please stop overreacting to the small tragedies in the emulation world, talking of a person or another as being "Nazis" or "Gods" (Heroes in your case). There only have been motivated, passionate people and leechers who just don't get it, like everywhere else, especially when you're talking about the internet. Free stuff and anonymity make a dangerous mix - and I bet all of you guys who flame anybody are more concerned about playing pokemon stadium than really getting involved in an activity, a passion - RESPONSIBILITIES AHEAD.

P.S Please excuse my english, I'm french (romsites anyone ? :)

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 Name: JoseQ Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (9:37)
Subject: Re:
From: 216.42.53.2
>But emuviews is not a "free service" like Jose want to make believe :look all the banners!it's a cash opportunity and we have good news anywhere else and roms like i said

Like I've said many times before, I'd like to see you try it. You're right, it's not a free service. Not only does it cost me time, it also costs me money. Since last year, the banners have not been enough to cover the costs for the site, but hell, I do it anyways since I have to pay for the bandwidth, even if I use it, SpeedHost.Com uses it, or even if it's not used. My contract is like that.

It's true that during 1999, when banner money existed pretty much everywhere, the site made money. Then I used it to get more bandwidth, host more ROMs, and give away free Hot Rods among other things. So think again if you think this is a 'free service' or even cheap.

Just try to get a site transferring 200 gigs of bandwidth paid with banners that get 30-50 clicks a day.

JoseQ

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 Name: Paulisse Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (9:05)
Subject: Re:
From: afontenayssb-102-1-1-134.abo.wanadoo.fr
If you don't like the site, just don't come!

Personnally, I do appreciate the news offered here, and the efforts made by Jose (who are you, Gedeon, to talk about opportunists when you offer nothing to the others but simply wander and leech from site to site? I do nothing more than you -though I upload some CD games on another site-, but at least I don't criticize the others and I respect them.).

If Jose closes the site, it'll be a waste as well as Final Burn ending was: each time somebody altruist ceases its activities in favor of emulation, it's damaging the emu scene.

OK, Jose, do what you think the best: if you close, at least you'll leave many people like me a good remembrance of your contribution to emulation. And if you continue, you'll continue to deserve the respect of the visitors here.

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Name: N1ghTm4rE Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (8:37)
Subject: Shutting down emuviews?
From: pd9002715.dip.t-dialin.net
@JoseQ: It's your site so it's your decision too but... it'd be more than just a sad thing if you'd do!

emuviews was the first emu-page I found entering the emu-scene. And till now I visited the site once each time I went online... Okay that's nothing special but I'd like to know that there's one thing that stays the same - untouched by the changes in the scene (RAINE, FB...) what emuviews had been to me...

Or in less words: Keep it alive! PLEASE!

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Name: jus'joshin' Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (8:30)
Subject: emuviewed and not emuread
From: proxy.ord.netsetter.com
Since you speak on JoseQ's behalf, tell him for me that I come to look at news topics and not to read every long post or every long post's huge list of replies. He shouldn't worry because only a true lamer will study all those replies(like 30 or more) just to reply in hopes of being the King of Flamers. So JoseQ I don't care about the replies to posts...I'll still keep coming back for the news. And I know you're not trying to find a scapegoat like D*** did. CLICK CLICK CLICK (that's the sound of me clicking on your ad banners). Lighten up, this feels like a threat to a DEBACLE(I'm using tough words now) situation... am I right dorsoola?

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 Name: Dorsola Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (13:25)
Subject: Re: emuviewed and not emuread
From: 12.46.137.2
>And I know you're not trying to find a scapegoat
>like D*** did. CLICK CLICK CLICK (that's the
>sound of me clicking on your ad banners).
>Lighten up, this feels like a threat to a DEBACLE
>(I'm using tough words now) situation... am I
>right dorsoola?

Well, the truth is I don't speak on JoseQ's behalf - he's perfectly capable of speaking for himself. I wrote this article to give my view on things here - I've become a regular contributor to this site and I've seen, more or less first-hand, what all the trouble here has done to him. In the time I've known him, I've seen his confidence fade and his patience wear very thin.

Personally, I'd like to see us all get past the subject of who did what and who's trying to scapegoat who - most of this wouldn't have happened if the flames had stayed off the boards. The onset of moderators for the forums will help to keep things in check from here on out. =)

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Name: S.D Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (8:16)
Subject: About the lamerz
From: 61.140.108.205
1¡¢Lamerz never known themself lame
2¡¢Lamerz are everywhere.You can kill them once for all
3¡¢Your hate to lamerz help nothing£¬cause they are only lamerz.

So ... we must face to the lamer...No mercy...no pity...

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Name: Studmuffin Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (8:10)
Subject: Jet Set Willy, Double Dragon et al...
From: inktomi2-bir.server.ntl.com
I agree that emulation was a lot more 'friendly'when it was older systems, but then at the time some of these systems weren't in fact that old- when I first downloaded a Speccy emululator, I was still dragging my Speccy +2 out for the odd day or two, but emulation did stop the five minute plus load times...(why did the Speccy rarely get 'loading games' when the C64 had loads?)- and games like Double Dragon and Final Fight are still doing the rounds in taxi firms, and still eat several quids worth of 10 pees (remember when new games were 10p a play???). Don't get me wrong, I love the newer games too- x-men v Streetfighter seems the first one since SSF2 to capture the feel of SF2 and SF2T, but they attracted some ppl with no respect for the coders of the emus or the coin-ops themselves. On the other hand, the bigger emulation gets, the more chance there is of forgotten games being emu'd-eg. Final Burn emu'ing CPS2 *and Thunderblade! Emulation has even started entering PC games- Archer Maclean's Cueball features an emu'd version of his classic Dropzone on a virtual cocktail table! Ah...I love the smell of retrogaming in the morning...

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 Name: Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (8:17)
Subject: Re: Jet Set Willy, Double Dragon et al...
From: inktomi2-bir.server.ntl.com
Damn- forgot to mention the point of the post- you've been doing a great job for a long time JoseQ and I hope EV stays live for years to come- the number of quality sites is slowly dwindling and yet another casualty would be depressing. Anyway, without EV, where else would you be able to show off about your kick-ass ArcadePC cabinet ;)

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Name: Viper_Z Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (8:07)
Subject: like the brazilian scene
From: 200.210.229.196
I know some guys don't like to talk about it. The brazilian scene was killed with alot of arrogance and because the popularization. I was help $!@# the things around here putting the best places like #emuroms (brasnet) and good web-sites (like that), Daves (Vintage Gaming Network), The Dump, Emunews etc. in the best brazilian video-game magazines. The popularization comes, alot of lamers came asking for help, and alot of that new generation of gamers like Dorsola said, that guys think are powerfull because have a PSX, or DC or PS2 now. The arrogance came with that freak $!@#ing boys, asking for "games 4 free".
The emulation isn't that. The emulation is a Flashback of our past, right? It just like whatch CHIP's on TV, or The Dukes of Hazzard. Remember the best time of our lifes with old games are amazing! One of the best things in my life is that. But with my old web-site (www.emucamp.com/dump_masters) and some problems because that lame kids, I stopped to live "the brazillian emulation scene". I continue reading news at Retrogames and here, downloading some Roms in some web-sites and so... it's only like that. It happens with the brazilian scene some time ago, now it happens worldwide. Don't do like i did. Forget the lamers, and made the emulation grow for you, not that sh!t boys. Do like Kinox do, don't put your e-mail for that guys send sh!t to you. Give your e-mail for your friends, or the guys you trust, and $!@# the rest.

I want JoseQ and Dave (of Final Burn) read that.

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Name: Dexter Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (7:46)
Subject: Thanks 4 the memories
From: 213.190.129.17
Many thanks for your work on behalf of the emulation scene. In a scene born out of the tireless (and unfortunately too often thankless) work of so many talented people, its a shame that things are shifting the way that they are. Personally I'd hate to see the emulation community lose such a valuable site but on a less selfish level you could, under the circumstances, walk away from Emuviews and not be any less respected given the level of crap you've had to deal with, and you would probably be right. Just remember that for every dickhead that doesn't have a genuine love for retrogaming there are 100 that do and appreciate what you do.

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Name: Dexter Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (7:45)
Subject: Thanks 4 the memories
From: 213.190.129.17
Many thanks for your work on behalf of the emulation scene. In a scene born out of the tireless (and unfortunately too often thankless) work of so many talented people, its a shame that things are shifting the way that they are. Personally I'd hate to see the emulation community lose such a valuable site but on a less selfish level you could, under the circumstances, walk away from Emuviews and not be any less respected given the level of crap you've had to deal with, and you would probably be right. Just remember that for every dickhead that doesn't have a genuine love for retrogaming there are 100 that do and appreciate what you do.

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Name: Bubba Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (7:25)
Subject: Besides your Cinncinati thing sounds lame
From: nexus.tripnet.se
nt

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Name: Bubba Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (7:21)
Subject: !@#$ you!!!!!!
From: nexus.tripnet.se
You are just $!@#ing lame! You have no good reason to shut this down. You sound really pathetic. Asshole is what you are

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 Name: Randy Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (7:45)
Subject: Re: !@#$ you!!!!!!
From: r-66.125.alltel.net
>You are just $!@#ing lame! You have no good reason to shut this down. You sound really pathetic. Asshole is what you are
>
He most likely thinks the same about you. Anyways your post is not going to help much by cussing him out.

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 Name: Urz Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (7:31)
Subject: Re: !@#$ you!!!!!!
From: ns.dabs.com
>You are just $!@#ing lame! You have no good reason to shut this down. You sound really pathetic. Asshole is what you are
>

I'm sure JoseQ and Dorsola are grateful to you for proving their point......

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 Name: Dorsola Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (13:27)
Subject: Re: Re: !@#$ you!!!!!!
From: 12.46.137.2
>I'm sure JoseQ and Dorsola are grateful to you for proving their point......

Indeed...

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Name: RetroLover Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (6:34)
Subject: astalavista QMeister!
From: pec-41-250.tnt4.f.uunet.de
I will miss EmuViewers Chat!

Regards,
RetroLover

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Name: Darksol Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (6:30)
Subject: Good luck!
From: dinero.tcom.purdue.edu
You will always have to deal with lamers and idiots in this world! You unfortunately don't have the right to annihliate them in this world so you must either continue to run the site or shut it down. If you do shut it down then I wish Joseq the best of luck in his new endeavors, and I want to tell you that you have run a professional website for as long as I can remember.

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Name: KaptK Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (5:44)
Subject: Good Luck
From: mailhost.netdecisions.co.uk
Cheers for all the good work!

Good luck with whatever you get up to...

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Name: Trojan Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (5:33)
Subject: EV would be sadly missed if it closed
From: act2.sci-tech.org.uk
Jose,

You've always be a sound guy - from verbal exchanges on IRC and more recently in the EV chat room, the site would be sadly missed if it closed :(

But the decision is yours of course, how about taking a long break, and maybe even taking this site down during that time - then come back stronger than ever.

Best regards for the future,

Trojan

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Name: sikor_sxe Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (5:20)
Subject: plz do not overreact.
From: 195.63.12.2
personally i'm convinced that pulling of the roms was a good decision. the fact that some of the oh-so 1337 rom-leechers got troubled leeching their latest neogeo or cps2 releases, is quite positive in my humble opinion. roms are basically warez and joseq does not have any obligation to risk beeing troubled by copyright holders. roms like every kind of warez just aren't meant to be provided over the http protocol. there are other ways of distribution and everyone a bit into the emu scene knows them. mame.dk was great of course, but we all know to which $!@#ed up situation the necessary commercialism around those http sites has led and we should learn about it. the lamers will leave the site alone as soon as they begin to realize that their warez need aren't served here anyomore. those assholes really post ugly stuff (i remember someone beeing called a child molester on the rg borad) that's right, but i think they will fade with time. i love emuviews just for its newsposting (thumbs up for the weekly rumor mill!) and for its really decent webdesign. i hope joseq won't shut it down, while i can understand that his amount of frustration outweighs his motivation to keep the site running.

however i don't fully agree with the author when he says the emu scene should focus only on the older games. of course decent c64, nes or msx emulation is great, and i use those emus a lot, but my interest in gaming isn't reduced to old hardware. actually i'm very interested in quite new systems, too. first, systems like segacd, saturn, 3do, and jaguar were virtually not present on the market (at least in .de, where i live) and i would love to play some true classics only available on those systems (alien vs predator on jaguar, anyone?), second i appreciate high-end emus for systems like gba and dc, too. however, this is for developing purposes only. i don't think that neither gba nor dc emulation mean a serious threat to game-developers, gba gains its popularity mainly from beeing a handheld device, and real time dc 3d emulation is far from becoming reality, on the contrary the dc homebrew scene made emus for classic systems like the nes available on the dc.

ok, those were my two cents on the whole issue, and i hope emuviews won't take part in the very recent decline of the emu scene (or community, or whatever you want to call it).

out,

sikor_sxe

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Name: Peter Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (5:09)
Subject:
From: c76807-001.powersurfr.com
Sh!t man, you are the best at posting the news that i have seen. I think that it must have taken hours to do what you have done. I respect that. I look to your page first for the news and i'm sure many others do the same. $!@# lamers, $!@# them right up the ass. You've got my support and probably many others too. But do whats right.

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Name: KiLLerCloWn Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (5:08)
Subject:
From: herrmann.jrc.es
Hey Jose, hey Dorsola :)

Well written Dorsola, nice words. It saddened me to see Prophet go, one of the few whom I still remember from the early days of emulation who managed to maintain his integrity throughout. This does not apply to many out there, but it definitely applies to JoseQ. You gotta respect the guy for having been part of this for so long and always remaining impartial (more or less :)), keeping out of the petty site wars and providing a kickass webpage throughout. There's only a handful of us left, at least the ones who post and have sites, and it hurts to see any of these lose faith or courage.

All I can say is: Don't let them get you down Jose. They are nothing. Pity their poor souls and ignore their ignorant remarks. There are only a few which really mean harm. The others are just very young or very ill educated...it will come to them. Check out what this dude wrote to me on the EmuAdvice board, a board which only has one purpose: to help people out

http://www.mameworld.net/cgi-bin/wwwthreads/showpost.pl?Board=mameworldemuadvice&Number=810&page=0&view=expanded&mode=threaded&sb=5#Post810

Sad eh? But does it matter? No! We do this because we love the old games and we love sharing our hobby. I hope you will continue to do so...

Best of luck

KC

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Name: Samor Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (4:49)
Subject:
From: barneveld.bit.nl
sigh.....the emuscene is going downhill....

oh, btw...it can go the right way too: many people on psxemu.com are very friendly and not rom-begging...so not all next-gen public is bad.


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Name: Razoola Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (4:39)
Subject: My View
From: strawberry.cache.fi.jippii.net
As a 31 year old I tend to feel I have a good experiance of life.

My view is simply in the real world I would be around people about my own age, in the EMU scene people are on the whole much younger. In my younger days (14 to 16) and in all honesty I would say I would probably be acting in much the same way as the so called 'lamer' simply due to the understanding I would have at that time. Through this view I don't get affected by 'lame' mail/actions at all. In fact from my own experiance since breaking CPS-2 I would say 90% of the mails I recieve that could be considered lame are simply written by people who don't understand fluent English. They then use 'harsh' words in the mails to get their point across but in real life they arnt like that at all.

Of course this dosent account for everyone and yes there is a minority of 'real lamers' out there. I feel sorry for these people, just try to imagine their state of mind to do such things. They must be really unhappy people inside there hearts, I would wish that on my worst enemy.

Like anything in Life, the old must make way for the new, its just the way it is and there is no way around it. I really hope JoseQ dosen't call it a day just yet and want to say 'thankyou you have done a great job with emuviews over the years'.

*peace*

Raz


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 Name: Dorsola Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (4:47)
Subject: Re: My View
From: 63.232.236.174
>In fact from my own experiance since breaking
>CPS-2 I would say 90% of the mails I recieve
>that could be considered lame are simply written
>by people who don't understand fluent English.
>They then use 'harsh' words in the mails to get
>their point across but in real life they arnt
>like that at all.

Hi Raz. Actually, I hold no ill will whatsoever toward people who simply don't understand or speak/write fluent English. Tolerance for these people is rather important on the Internet in general, and I'm sure most of us understand that.

The problem we ran into with the boards was that there were some just out-and-out MEAN people on here who were going to such lengths as impersonating JoseQ and deliberately trying to make this an unfriendly place. It's not difficult to tell the difference, really.

It's people like that, especially those who hide behind anonymous, untraceable hosts such as anonymizer.com, that do the most damage - they have the capability of destroying friendships that are otherwise very healthy. And it's people like that who came very close to getting this site shut down.

I think the good news is that JoseQ is rethinking the situation and will be more likely to keep the site up and running with the proper kind of support from the community at large. :)

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Name: Dorsola Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (4:28)
Subject: *blink* Wow...
From: 63.232.236.174
I didn't realize that my writing this article and being in the EV Chat room all day would have this much of an impact on the community. I think it's really great how all of you are coming out in support of JoseQ and his work on this site.

Here's hoping that the feeling of burnout is just temporary - and that the "Lamer" influx is also just as temporary.

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 Name: NightBird Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (5:19)
Subject: Re: *blink* Wow...
From: ch2blm.bellglobal.com
>I didn't realize that my writing this article and being in the EV Chat room all day would have this much of an impact on the community. I think it's really great how all of you are coming out in support of JoseQ and his work on this site.
>
>Here's hoping that the feeling of burnout is just temporary - and that the "Lamer" influx is also just as temporary.
>

I'm pretty sure that everyone who's been here for a long time really does appreciate what JoseQ has done for the past several years. In general though, we don't go around saying "Great Work! Keep It Up!" or other complimentary things like that. We may mean to, but in general we just don't show our support. That, I believe, is one of the major problems. If everyone who really supports the emulation scene would be me open and say so then maybe a lot of this would've been avoidable. It's kind of sad really, that it takes a crisis to bring out all the supporters. But this sort of thing isn't limited to just the emulation scene, real life is just as harsh.

It's late, I don't even know if I'm making any sense. I guess what I'm trying to say is, whatever happens, I'm behind whatever JoseQ decides.

For those who don't remember me, this is my first message here in over 2 years. Wouldn't be at all surprised if I've been forgotten.
[Edited by JoseQ] Not forgotten my friend.

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Name: Mclane Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (4:18)
Subject: Respect
From: 62.7.249.6

The emulation scene is only seeing the same sad shift towards ignorance in society.

The word 'Respect' has sadly lost it's meaning and is now a mere greeting / trivial word amongst the less mature people.


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Name: Steveir Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (4:05)
Subject:
From: gevans.staffs.ac.uk
Whoa, wtf has happened to emu scene (no answers plz, rhetorical question). Jose your site has been/is brilliant and I'd miss it if it ever shut down. I completely understand your burn out tho. Emulation has changed soooo much since I got into it almost 3 years ago and its just full of back biting and lamers these days, which is such a shame. I really do hope the moderation stuff works out and we don't lose ya or EV because of those godamm kids!!

Fingers crossed that they go away

Steveir

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Name: crazy_tejano Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (3:54)
Subject: lamers
From: 85.45.24.208.dhcp.waller.net
Hey,

Part of running a successful website is learning how to handle "lamers."
People do not "hate" you, despite some of the comments on the message board.
Those are merely children who should be banned.
Lets face it, what does it matter if there is flaming on the comments board???
There are ALWAYS flames on the comments board. Just ban every vehemenent flamer.
If they have anonymizers, just keep rebanning them; eventually it will be too
much of an inconvenience for them to keep coming back. If you want to run
a website that focuses on interaction, you need to be steadfast as you address these issues.

Remember, there is no such thing as an interactive website without lamers. The BEST websites
are those that know how to systematically deal with them, which minimizes their occurence. How?
1) It causes them to exhaust themselves after multiple bannings.
2) As they fall in number, the ratio is picked up by non-lamers. These people in turn
influence would-be lamers to show respect.

Its not a Utopian idea, but nothing on the Web is.

In conclusion, I am merely trying to say that to run a good site, you need to
address the problems of the site professionally and pragmatically. If you tire of addressing the issues
, then shut the site down. Dawdling and hoping that the issues will dissapear is not a viable option.

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 Name: JoseQ Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (9:29)
Subject: Re: lamers
From: 216.42.53.2
Like Dorsola said, I've been dealing with it for quite a while, and while I don't really care about what those people think about me, I do care about my regular visitors. That guy posting as me, was casting a negative impression about me on people I do care about, and that's when it got out of hand. They can say all they want about me (as you can actually see on some posts here), it really doesn't affect me, or what I'll do with the site, but it's another thing when they try to change what others think of me with lies... Anyhow, I'll take care of that too. =)

JoseQ

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 Name: Dorsola Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (4:23)
Subject: Re: lamers
From: 63.232.236.174
Thanks for your comments. I'm pretty sure this is what JoseQ has been doing since Day 1 - it's just gotten unmanageable for him. In the process of trying to deal with all the lamers, either he ended up making some mistakes that pissed off some people who were genuinely interested in being a part of this site, or someone else was trying to do that to him instead.

The idea of adding moderators to the boards will help things out quite a bit, I think.

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Name: zezinho2000 Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (2:47)
Subject: Well
From: 200.255.220.150
I have posted on some boards years ago, but i realize that i must stop... i don't like words like "lamers" , since WE are people, not "lamers" or "good people"... I came to a conclusion some time ago that ALL ppl in emu scene IS/WERE "lamers", without any exception (well, maybe 1%)...
All ppl act like children, try to hurt someone, injuried so easy like pussy girls and try to dictate what other ppl had to think...
So, i think "$!@#, i don't wanna losing my time anymore here.." so i quit to the boards... I only go to emu sites the the news a dl thing...
i don't complain to the ppl ("lamers" like u said) are children enough to start flaming other ppl, i could be a site manager or a simple visitor...
but i don't complain either when someone try to dictate to my what is correct ans was is not...
Ppl ALWAYS look for the best things in his live, only the suicide not... If ppl bag for free games or games that are so new, what's the problem? It's the nature of the human being and webmaster (or emu makers or rom dumpers) will ONLY be happy when they resalize this! U could not control what ppl think/wants! If ppl want the "free games'" so what's the point? If ppl want the new NG games or CPS2 games what's the problems? copyright issues? yeah, it's a problem... moral issues? hmmm... leave to ur own mind for figure it out...
I DON'T know any problems in emulate some new machines/games for my point of view because the real think is 1000 better and don't hurt companies... Well, try to say this to Nintendo is a bug was of time u know?
One thing that makes me angry that this scene don't know yet is this: PPL don't dl an emu/roms because they are interested in the technical achieve or whatever or nostalgia whatever (well, nostalgia is good), but because THEY LOVE games and final point!
Maybe in 50 years u all understand that this word "lamer" is only in ur minds and ppl only wants what u wants: something to make his life better and if possible for free... and this story that emu scene or warez scene or mp3 scene or whatever hurts the capitalism ppl above us don't make ppl think about this, they u'll say "$!@#, i want my free stuff, i'm full of this capitalism ppl! $!@#' em"
So, $!@# 'em

Cal me pirate (i'm not, since pirate is the guy in essence that sells pirated stuff for money) but i'll ONLY buy an DVD player (well, XBOX and PS2 had DVD players insisde u know...) WHEN i could BUY an not expensive DVD copier device (burner) that still don't exist on the market that i at least know... I 'll know buy DVD's...
Call me lammer, but i pay a lot of counts in my life and the money isn't there, so i want my free stuff too...
I only agree with the words "lamer" when ppl lose his time attackink eatchother... But free stuff is the essence of the human being in nature...

killer joe (zezinho2000)

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 Name: Snejs Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (3:47)
Subject: Re: Well
From: isf1n1e1.seinf.abb.se
>All ppl act like children, try to hurt someone,
> injuried so easy like pussy girls and try to
> dictate what other ppl had to think...
If this is your view on the world I feel sorry for you.

> what ppl think/wants! If ppl want the "free
Correct, nobody can't control what people are to think or want, but in the same way the people can't boss around the one being having a free service for the people.

>One thing that makes me angry that this scene
> don't know yet is this: PPL don't dl an
> emu/roms because they are interested in the
> technical achieve or whatever or nostalgia
> whatever (well, nostalgia is good), but because
> THEY LOVE games and final point!
This again is wrong. I've been into emulation since there only was c64/Plus emus since the PC couldn't handle more. The good old DOS days with lots of emus. SIGH. These last 2 years I havn't really downloaded any emu because I wanted to play the games. I am more interested in the technical part in the emus. How did these authors make this possible? The technical part makes me feeling more respect to the authors and there knowledge of programming. NOT that the gave me the possibility to play something for free.

Yours
Snejs

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 Name: Deth-Axe Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (19:57)
Subject: Re: Re: Well
From: host213-123-14-109.btinternet.com
WTF?? if you are interested in the tech side, then you are sad. people who are real gamers, ues enulation, to play their classics and new games that they cant afford. its all about the game play baby live with it!!

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 Name: Posted: Thursday, April 19, 2001 - (3:00)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Well
From: isf1n3e1.seinf.abb.se
>WTF?? if you are interested in the tech side,
> then you are sad. people who are real gamers,
> ues enulation, to play their classics and new
> games that they cant afford. its all about the
> game play baby live with it!!

Why is it sad? I find more satisfaction in solving a problem than in completing a game. In my case I solve problems by programming, both in work and home. I never said I was a "real gamer", just that I cared about the technical part.

What is sad though is people bitching and wailing about games X or feaure Y to an author giving HIS knowledge for free to others.

Yours
Snejs

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Name: Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (2:37)
Subject:
From: tfahs.resnet.rutgers.edu
I suppose it will have to end sometime, but I surely hop that EV will be around for years to come. We all love you, JQ.

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 Name: mandrix Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (3:00)
Subject: sniff ...
From: alyon-102-2-1-119.abo.wanadoo.fr
I just wanna congratulate JQ for all the good job that has been done.
I still hope that u won't quit, but i understand what a huge job running this site is.

Whishing u a good luck, whatever u decide.

Bye

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Name: Matt Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (2:36)
Subject:
From: iras-4-77.ucdavis.edu
Well, I hope the whole "lamerz" scene hasn't been to detrimental to your well-being... EmuViews was the first emulation site I ever logged on to (the Rumor Mill was my section of choice); I'd hate to see it disappear. Whatever you do decide to do, I wish you good luck!

-Matt

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Name: Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (2:29)
Subject: About FB and what followed it..
From: igw-se.astra.com
Hi Jose..

About a week after Dave released his FB with CPS2 support, I E-mailed him telling that he shouldn't forget the Sega part.. He didn't listen and we all know what happened.. Now here comes an advice for you.. Your Rumour Mill is one of the features that sets this site aside from other sites on the net about emulation.. It would be a real shame to see that dissapear.. You can also choose to stop posting about newer hardware emulators like Daves Classics did for a while.. I never order someone to do what I say but the only thing that I require is that the person thinks about the idea.. Same here Jose.. You have the support from the people that grew up with Pac-Man and others..

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 Name: JoseQ Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (10:03)
Subject: Re: About FB and what followed it..
From: 216.42.53.2
That's a good idea... I'll see what I can do. =)

JoseQ

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Name: Vapor Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (2:21)
Subject: Farewell
From: pool0560.cvx7-bradley.dialup.earthlink.ng2İ:
As being a ghost in the whole emulation since the begining I have been able to witness many happenings out side the bubble. I will have to say your going to be missed. I think All of us have forgotten to some point what this should have been all about. I will have to say THANK YOU TO ALL THE HARDCORE PROGRAMERS/CREATORS AND THE WEBMASTERS FOR STAYING TRUE AND FOR ALL THE HARDWORK. It was you people that kept the favorites from dieng out totally. And if by any chance this site doesnt leave the scene I just want you to know THAT THIS DUDE IS GOING to stay hardcore to the end.

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Name: Rob Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (2:07)
Subject: *sniff*
From: 1cust156.tnt1.nashua.nh.da.uu.net
Jose,
Your site is the best. I think I'll cry if you quit, but they'd be tears of happiness for you in whatever you do. Thanks so much for all you've done. I want my mom now. And my teddy bear. :-Ş

Seriously...you've enriched the life of a stranger more than you could guess! Thank you!

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Name: Scoot Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (1:51)
Subject: Comments
From: modem41-ade-isp-1.one.net.au
I remember back when i first got into emulation back at mame 0.30 and roms where fairly easy to find, i used to always get my roms from here, because altho im in Australia, the speed here was the best around. The legality issues that arose about roms recently, also happened back then, but jose managed to still keep roms on his site. I support his decision with removing the roms as I for one wouldnt like to see this site disappear because Jose is in Jail or has a huge fine to pay. I visit Emuviews at least once a day , and i havent missed an issue of "the rumor mill" for quite some time. That will be the main thing i'll miss if Jose does shut down his site. So Jose all i can say is ... Good luck with whatever you decide to do ... Thanks for the many years of news/roms/rumors.

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Name: pers Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (1:40)
Subject: support
From: 1cust84.tnt6.tucson.az.da.uu.net
Good luck Jose - the support is overwhelming.

pers

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Name: M.K Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (1:33)
Subject: WTH is going on here?
From: cache2-0.ruh.isu.net.sa
Please don't shutdown the site JoseQ, It's the best around, Just ignore those stupied people and they will get tired, or wouldn't they?.



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Name: dave Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (1:30)
Subject: shutdown
From: spider-mtc-tb081.proxy.aol.com
I can honestly say that for the last few years JoseQ's site has always been the first site I log onto when I go online. At least twice a day I visit this site. It has an awesome amount of information and news concerning the scene and I have always appreciated his hard efforts to keep it updated. JoseQ, if you close down, you will be missed. Thanks for a few years of info and God bless!

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Name: jumpmanjr Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (1:21)
Subject: pls stick around JoseQ
From: evrtwa1-ar3-032-111.dsl.gtei.net
Man, it would a great loss if you were to hang up your cleats and retire. Although if you do I wish you the best of luck!

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Name: ProfessorCrapPants Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (1:02)
Subject:
From: adsl-208-190-212-178.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.níİ:
who's the lamer? the idiot rom begger/foreigner/clueless person, or the guy who whines and cries for attention?

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Name: Hwoarang Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (0:34)
Subject: Oh No....
From: nvag-proxy.nvag.de
JoseQ, Your Site is Kick azz! Please Dont shut it down 4ever! :/

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Name: The Ref Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (0:32)
Subject:
From: proxy2.zwoll1.ov.nl.home.com
Thats very heavy, but if you feel that way, i understand competely. It would be bad though, hope you can change your mind. It would be a shame to see this site go, it was the first thing that brought back all my fine arcade-memories
. Whatever you do, thanks for everything...

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Name: Flying Wok Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (0:27)
Subject: Oh man.
From: spc-isp-nitro-01-187.sprint.ca
It'll be sad if Emuviews makes its final goodbye, but I for one (and prolly a lotta others) will understand why JoseQ would do this. I once tried to make a website on my own, though nowhere near this scale, but when the fun stops, that's when the site stops.

Sigh, just burns me up everytime lamers decide to pull some crap like the Final Burn incident and the Emuviews posting debacle... sure, they're here just for the free games, but they're really too stupid to realize that if they piss off everyone who contributes to emulation there'll be NO MORE free games. They should just take the games and keep their comments to themselves.

Emulation is about the hardware and fond memories, not about saving a few quarters. In some cases, its even about discovering the video game past. I wasnt around when Pong came out, or when asteroids first hit the scenes, but I love those games anyways, and its fascinating looking back.

I hope anyone thinking about flaming or being obnoxious reads this and other positive posts and realize just what they're destroying.

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Name: fas0 Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (0:17)
Subject: comments...
From: adsl208-57.advancedsl.com.ar
plz don't leave till i die
your page rulez

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Name: SadMan Posted: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 - (23:55)
Subject: Please.. dont quit...
From: telstar.bktv.se
I always read the rumour mill... and i go to this page everyday... it would be sad if ya quitted.. but its the lamers fault then.. i hate the damn lamers in the emulation scene.. They never get enough...:(

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Name: JoseQ Posted: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 - (23:41)
Subject: Comments...
From: roc-24-93-19-224.rochester.rr.com
Well, I guess I can't have the site without the comments, so I'll just ban anonymizer and see what happens...

In a while, I'll introduce the crowd to a new guild of moderators, picked from the EV Chat regular crowd. They have volunteered to help clean up the act, and I'm sure it'll make the site experience, all the more pleasant.

JoseQ

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 Name: Opi Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (7:24)
Subject: Re: Comments...
From: whoami.knoll-ag.she.net
Good decision and I hope it implys that you don't leave us :)

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 Name: Paratech Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (2:09)
Subject: Re: Comments...
From: v069.usachoice.net
>Well, I guess I can't have the site without the comments, so I'll just ban anonymizer and see what happens...
>
>In a while, I'll introduce the crowd to a new guild of moderators, picked from the EV Chat regular crowd. They have volunteered to help clean up the act, and I'm sure it'll make the site experience, all the more pleasant.
>
>JoseQ
>

Your site is well liked and would be missed, roms or no roms. IMSHO I like the Rumor Mill, you do a good job with it, the reviews are interesting, and the news is good *solid*...

Whatever decision you make, your positive contribution to emulation has been appreciated, THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart,

Chris "Paratech" Cummins

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 Name: Samor Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (4:50)
Subject: Re: Re: Comments...
From: barneveld.bit.nl
>>Well, I guess I can't have the site without the comments, so I'll just ban anonymizer and see what happens...
>>
>>In a while, I'll introduce the crowd to a new guild of moderators, picked from the EV Chat regular crowd. They have volunteered to help clean up the act, and I'm sure it'll make the site experience, all the more pleasant.
>>
>>JoseQ
>>
>
>Your site is well liked and would be missed, roms or no roms. IMSHO I like the Rumor Mill, you do a good job with it, the reviews are interesting, and the news is good *solid*...
>
>Whatever decision you make, your positive contribution to emulation has been appreciated, THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart,
>
>Chris "Paratech" Cummins
>

heh...you're everywhere ;)

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 Name: Josh Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (0:39)
Subject: Re: Comments...
From: user-uini7mv.dialup.mindspring.com
Dude,
I'm sorry to hear that you've been having so much trouble from a few (loud) lame posters. I've never posted before, but I'll post now to say how much your site has meant to me. I grew up on these games and his site's brought back memories that I didn't know I still had.
Thanks for doing a great job. I check this site every time I'm online.
your doing the right thing with the moderators and the banning, some people just don't know how to be cool.



>Well, I guess I can't have the site without the comments, so I'll just ban anonymizer and see what happens...
>
>In a while, I'll introduce the crowd to a new guild of moderators,
>JoseQ
>

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 Name: Raphael Posted: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 - (23:45)
Subject: Re: Comments...
From: 1yzp801.dhcp.swmed.edu
I've appreciated this site as a source of news in the emulation world for some time. I will be sorry to see it go should JoseQ decide to bow out completely due to frustration and burnout, especially when the source is people who have no sense of decency or propriety, or even guts.

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 Name: Kewlie Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (5:28)
Subject: Re: Re: Comments...
From: 2416453hfc207.tampabay.rr.com
>I've appreciated this site as a source of news in the emulation world for some time. I will be sorry to see it go should JoseQ decide to bow out completely due to frustration and burnout, especially when the source is people who have no sense of decency or propriety, or even guts.
>Agreed :)

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 Name: alex75 Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (7:17)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Comments...
From: ppp-54-195.21-151.libero.it
>>I've appreciated this site as a source of news in the emulation world for some time. I will be sorry to see it go should JoseQ decide to bow out completely due to frustration and burnout, especially when the source is people who have no sense of decency or propriety, or even guts.
>>Agreed :)
>i have kept this as homepage since february 2000 and i simply want to have it for another 10 years at least....

without roms, with or without lamers, i simply want to start internet with THIS page.

Any other word are useless.

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 Name: GadgetMan Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - (8:51)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Comments...
From: 12.29.35.100
I have but one thing to say to JoseQ, I found a song for you, listen to it, kick back, and take a time out, and like the Phoenix, come back flying!

The song: In Time
The Artist: Robbie Robb
From Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure Soundtrack

Be Excellent to Each Other;
Party on Dude!

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