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bleem! for DC Views - April 21,2001 by JoseQ
While I haven't confirmed with my sources that bleem! for DC is actually coming out in 10 days, you might want to read this article at IGN DC where they explain the future of this commercial emulation product. Apparently it has changed from bleem! packs into single game packages sold for just $5.95; the first of which will support "Gran Turismo 2". In my opinion, this is a small price to pay to play an enhanced version of this game on the DC, specially since I don't own a Playstation. With prices for PSX games as low as they are, this is really a no-brainer.
One thing that made me raise an eyebrow was L_Face's post at Emulators Unlimited, specially his line stating "And they'll be charging money for it! OUTRAGEOUS." I assume that he feels that emulator authors should work for him for free. L_Face, wake up! The only reason we get emulators for free is because it just so happens that emulator authors distribute their work they do for other reasons. Some choose to do it for free, some try to make a bit of revenue from it. Since when has it become a crime to try to earn some money doing work? I suggest that the next time you see your boss, just tell him: "Hey boss, you know, it would be best that you stop sending me that check for my work, cause me charging you money for it is 'outrageous'."
I admit that bleem! is far from being a perfect product, but in this case I assume that the reason they will be doing single game packs is because they'll be able to tweak the emulator to play those games flawlessly. In most console emulators, getting a single game to work great is simple when compared to getting many games working correctly without breaking others. So this probably was the best way to go. And if they want six bucks for it, they can count on me to be at the register 10 days from today getting this bleem! for DC, cause God darn it, I've been waiting to play "Gran Turismo 2" on my Dreamcast.

One Article Up: AdriPSX gets another release...
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Name: Tavish Posted: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 - (14:35)
Subject: By the way
From: pto-171-114.mty.itesm.mx
The only game we say at E3 was Grand Turismo 2, Does the ONLY game emulated ...????
Good question

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Name: Tavish Posted: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 - (12:04)
Subject: BLEEM SUCKS !
From: pto-171-114.mty.itesm.mx
Just think in this ... If you make a little trip to the Bleem's site, you'll find the $!@#ing lie about "Constantly updates" in Bleem PC and they leave that project.

Remember Bleem 1.2 was the last original emulator and they re create the emulator because It wasn't fast.

Think in this "400 new games come to your dreamcast this summer" THIS !@#$ING SUMMER OR LAST SUMMER, $!@#ing lammers. Dreamcast is dead, like Bleem for DC because it a new product for a old system.

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 Name: Posted: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 - (9:39)
Subject: Re: BLEEM SUCKS !
From: d014001.ap.plala.or.jp
>Just think in this ... If you make a little trip to the Bleem's site, you'll find the $!@#ing lie about "Constantly updates" in Bleem PC and they leave that project.
>
>Remember Bleem 1.2 was the last original emulator and they re create the emulator because It wasn't fast.
>
>Think in this "400 new games come to your dreamcast this summer" THIS !@#$ING SUMMER OR LAST SUMMER, $!@#ing lammers. Dreamcast is dead, like Bleem for DC because it a new product for a old system.
>

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Name: Walk Posted: Monday, April 23, 2001 - (20:36)
Subject: i dunno
From: spider-mtc-tf063.proxy.aol.com
i don't really think this project is gonna really do well, if the original pacakge came out with multiple games....i'd prolly get it, i do however own a Playstation, so its not tha tbig of a deal..but for 5.95 i dont think i'd do it for Granturismo2 (great game), but then again..i may be wrong, but this whole idea sounds like it could fizzle out and not happen.

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Name: DXSSI Posted: Sunday, April 22, 2001 - (16:31)
Subject: An interesting concept...
From: 140.146.215.28
I don't know about that, (single-game Bleempaks) but it might be a good idea. You know what Bleem should do? Ship them out in a case that would hold 2 c.d.'s, so that you could keep the Bleempak and your PSX game in one case. Or, in the case of multi-disk games, enough places for the required c.d.'s.

I might consider purchasing Bleempaks for Tomba, Jumping Flash 1 & 2, Spyro the Dragon, & WWF Wrestlemania: The Arcade Game. Unfortunately, those might not come out for a long time.

On the other hand, this may just get me to purchase Twisted Metal, PaRappa the Rapper, Um Jammer Lammy, or WWF Smackdown 2! Sony may actually make more money thanks to Bleem. Aren't they big morons for trying to stop them?

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Name: I need a Bleem Update!! Posted: Sunday, April 22, 2001 - (14:19)
Subject: Bleem for DC
From: spider-wi051.proxy.aol.com
Actually,PC Vers. of bleem Emulates some games good.Ray Crisis,Deception3,G-Darius,Ect.,provided you have a powerfull Proc.Athlon,PIII,and a good video card like a Geforce or voodoo5,Radeon.But it's sounds like a bad idea to me to bring out the DC version in that sort of fashion.

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 Name: FRK Posted: Sunday, April 22, 2001 - (16:26)
Subject: Re: Bleem for DC
From: cache-haw.cableinet.co.uk
6 bucks to let you play one game you have to buy in the first place.. what value NOT



>Actually,PC Vers. of bleem Emulates some games good.Ray Crisis,Deception3,G-Darius,Ect.,provided you have a powerfull Proc.Athlon,PIII,and a good video card like a Geforce or voodoo5,Radeon.But it's sounds like a bad idea to me to bring out the DC version in that sort of fashion.
>

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 Name: P-Strife Posted: Monday, April 23, 2001 - (12:16)
Subject: I agree.
From: master-s4.utstat.toronto.edu
$6 US for one game is a rip-off. Comepare that with Magic Engine or even VGS and you seriously are paying too much to play just one game.

mista P

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Name: I need a Bleem Update!! Posted: Sunday, April 22, 2001 - (14:19)
Subject: Bleem for DC
From: spider-wi051.proxy.aol.com
Actually,PC Vers. of bleem Emulates some games good.Ray Crisis,Deception3,G-Darius,Ect.,provided you have a powerfull Proc.Athlon,PIII,and a good video card like a Geforce or voodoo5,Radeon.But it's sounds like a bad idea to me to bring out the DC version in that sort of fashion.

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Name: Dupe Posted: Sunday, April 22, 2001 - (11:21)
Subject: Hate
From: webcachem09b.cache.pol.co.uk
I hate Bleem and what it stands for.
They ripped me off when i bought their Emu, that i paid 25 pounds for.
Im disgusted in the way they have handled the whole situation switching from pc to Dreamcast and leaving us in the dark about it till the last minute, if i had known they were going to do that i would never have bought their product.
Anyway Espxe beats Bleem hands down, more compatible and FREE, thats the emu i use now....Bleem never comes out of the box.
Oh and btw did anyone ever find out what Bleem meant?....personaly i think it stood for Best Little Emulator Ever Made.........haha what a laugh.
Bleem authours kiss my ass.

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 Name: DrownSoda Posted: Monday, April 23, 2001 - (23:40)
Subject: Re: Hate
From: 1cust93.tnt1.johnstown.pa.da.uu.net
I feel exactly the same way... i spent $30 US for Bleem for PC, it ran games slower than VGS even in non-enhanced mode and the compatibility sucked, and about a month later they basically quit the PC version that was supposedly going to be "constantly updated" and switched over to dreamcast... well, that was about a year ago i think and still not even a dreamcast bleem and as expected, no word on an update to the PC version... bleem sucks... use epsxe (free) or VGS (retail)


>I hate Bleem and what it stands for.
>They ripped me off when i bought their Emu, that i paid 25 pounds for.
>Im disgusted in the way they have handled the whole situation switching from pc to Dreamcast and leaving us in the dark about it till the last minute, if i had known they were going to do that i would never have bought their product.
>Anyway Espxe beats Bleem hands down, more compatible and FREE, thats the emu i use now....Bleem never comes out of the box.
>Oh and btw did anyone ever find out what Bleem meant?....personaly i think it stood for Best Little Emulator Ever Made.........haha what a laugh.
>Bleem authours kiss my ass.
>

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Name: L_Face Posted: Sunday, April 22, 2001 - (9:36)
Subject:
From: cache-bra.cableinet.co.uk
Fame at last eh.
Selling emulators is like selling roms. No difference whatsoever.
Thats all im saying on the matter.

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 Name: JoseQ Posted: Sunday, April 22, 2001 - (11:04)
Subject: Re:
From: roc-24-93-19-224.rochester.rr.com
Ah, selling your work is the same as selling other's work? How's that?

JoseQ

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 Name: L_Face Posted: Sunday, April 22, 2001 - (11:58)
Subject:
From: cache-bra.cableinet.co.uk
A rom dumper can spend weeks trying to dump a rom correctly - does he have the right to sell the rom afterwards because of the hard work he did in the process ?

>Ah, selling your work is the same as selling other's work? How's that?
>
>JoseQ
>

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 Name: JoseQ Posted: Sunday, April 22, 2001 - (22:23)
Subject: Re:
From: roc-24-93-19-224.rochester.rr.com
>A rom dumper can spend weeks trying to dump a rom correctly - does he have the right to sell the rom afterwards because of the hard work he did in the process ?
>

Absolutely not. But if somebody provides him with the ROM, and asks him to dump it for him, he can charge for that. Nowhere does it give him the right to charge for distribution. He never gets ownership of the ROM, thus he cannot sell it. You can sell only what you own, and dumping it does not give you ownership.

Programming an emulator does give you ownership, because you're selling you're work, and nothing else.

JoseQ

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 Name: Mike C Posted: Monday, April 23, 2001 - (8:19)
Subject: Re: Re:
From: cr679101-a.shprd1.on.wave.home.com
>>A rom dumper can spend weeks trying to dump a rom correctly - does he have the right to sell the rom afterwards because of the hard work he did in the process ?
>>
>
>Absolutely not. But if somebody provides him with the ROM, and asks him to dump it for him, he can charge for that. Nowhere does it give him the right to charge for distribution. He never gets ownership of the ROM, thus he cannot sell it. You can sell only what you own, and dumping it does not give you ownership.
>
>Programming an emulator does give you ownership, because you're selling you're work, and nothing else.
>
>JoseQ


And here's the rub. Emulators should be free! Maybe. If you want to sell your emulator, it's your buisness, but you better danm well make shure it is a commercial quality product. Zsnes, Neorage X, Magic Engine and VGS are the only emulators i would pay money for. They run like a dream with no hassles, and have amazing compatibility.
Bleem had no business being sold as it was a crap emulator to begin with. This isn't a matter of my opinion, i have almost 200 psx games, i could get maybe 5 working to an acceptible level. That is NOT acceptable for a commercial product!! Emulators should be free, until it gets to a quality where it is worth paying for.

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 Name: Fiath Posted: Sunday, April 22, 2001 - (14:00)
Subject: Re:
From: host213-122-230-64.btinternet.com
You Sir (L_Face) are a dick. :/

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 Name: L_Face Posted: Sunday, April 22, 2001 - (15:54)
Subject:
From: cache-bra.cableinet.co.uk
Thanks for that witty intelligent remark.
Keep em coming

>You Sir (L_Face) are a dick. :/
>

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 Name: pers Posted: Sunday, April 22, 2001 - (20:53)
Subject: Re:
From: 1cust2.tnt8.tucson.az.da.uu.net
I can understand people who are a little pissed after buying Bleem for the PC. I think the Bleem team should offer at least a large discount on the Bleemcast gamepacks for these people since the development of bleemcast must have contributed massively to the lack of updates for PC bleem. At least that kind of gesture would redress the balance somewhat.

Pers.

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Name: Navvie Posted: Sunday, April 22, 2001 - (6:04)
Subject:
From: host62-7-111-64.btinternet.com
Got to say, I nearly always disagree with people asking money for the emulators they create.

They have no doubt downloaded countless ROMs without paying the creators anything at all, yet expect people to pay for the software they have created.

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Name: Terry D Posted: Sunday, April 22, 2001 - (5:42)
Subject: Good footy game on DC
From: lab61.cs.cf.ac.uk
If Bleemcast can do a good emu of FIFA 200x, then that'll be something!!

DC needs a good football (soccer) game!!

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 Name: NK Posted: Sunday, April 22, 2001 - (20:49)
Subject: Re: Good footy game on DC
From: pool-63.53.142.149.nwrk.grid.net
>If Bleemcast can do a good emu of FIFA 200x, then that'll be something!!
>
>DC needs a good football (soccer) game!!
>

What the hell does your Sony biased rant have to with this topic? Nobody gives a crap that you have a love for a company that supports a console for a year or two and then $!@#s their consumers over repeatedly. Blah, blah, blah, cry, cry, cry, DC is dead, deal with it.

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 Name: Javi Posted: Monday, April 23, 2001 - (14:14)
Subject: Re: Re: Good footy game on DC
From: 201-gran-x31.libre.retevision.es
>>If Bleemcast can do a good emu of FIFA 200x, then that'll be something!!
>>
>>DC needs a good football (soccer) game!!
>>
>
>What the hell does your Sony biased rant have to with this topic? Nobody gives a crap that you have a love for a company that supports a console for a year or two and then $!@#s their consumers over repeatedly. Blah, blah, blah, cry, cry, cry, DC is dead, deal with it.
>

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Name: Mikey Posted: Saturday, April 21, 2001 - (21:38)
Subject: who cares?
From: adsl-20-108-108.bna.bellsouth.net
I bought a Dreamcast because, even though Sony has about a bazillion games out, 90% of them are crap. The PS2 percentage is about 97%. Sega Dreamcast, even though graphically inferior to the PS2, still has a 10 good games for Sony's 1. I have played GT3 and find nothing great about it, except for maybe the eviornment mapping. Aside from that, I'd still rather play Metropolis Street Racer, Crazy Taxi 1 and 2, Daytona USA, Sega Rally, or even Sega GT, than I would Gran Turismo 1, 2, or 3. And when Sega GT and Codename: Project Gotham (MSR2) come out for the X-box, I'll STILL be ignoring Sony's ever crappy line-up. I bought my DC because I hate Sony's games, so why would I buy a game for a system I thought sucked in the first place reguardless of the "enhancements". The tracks on the screenshots I've seen on IGN still look blocky. Wake me up when the X-box comes out, until then.....

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 Name: NK Posted: Sunday, April 22, 2001 - (20:50)
Subject: Re: who cares?
From: pool-63.53.142.149.nwrk.grid.net
>I bought a Dreamcast because, even though Sony has about a bazillion games out, 90% of them are crap. The PS2 percentage is about 97%. Sega Dreamcast, even though graphically inferior to the PS2, still has a 10 good games for Sony's 1. I have played GT3 and find nothing great about it, except for maybe the eviornment mapping. Aside from that, I'd still rather play Metropolis Street Racer, Crazy Taxi 1 and 2, Daytona USA, Sega Rally, or even Sega GT, than I would Gran Turismo 1, 2, or 3. And when Sega GT and Codename: Project Gotham (MSR2) come out for the X-box, I'll STILL be ignoring Sony's ever crappy line-up. I bought my DC because I hate Sony's games, so why would I buy a game for a system I thought sucked in the first place reguardless of the "enhancements". The tracks on the screenshots I've seen on IGN still look blocky. Wake me up when the X-box comes out, until then.....

What the hell does your Sony biased rant have to with this topic? Nobody gives a crap that you have a love for a company that supports a console for a year or two and then $!@#s their consumers over repeatedly. Blah, blah, blah, cry, cry, cry, DC is dead, deal with it.
>

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 Name: Mikey Posted: Monday, April 23, 2001 - (14:44)
Subject: Re: Re: who cares?
From: adsl-20-111-127.bna.bellsouth.net
>>I bought a Dreamcast because, even though Sony has about a bazillion games out, 90% of them are crap. The PS2 percentage is about 97%. Sega Dreamcast, even though graphically inferior to the PS2, still has a 10 good games for Sony's 1. I have played GT3 and find nothing great about it, except for maybe the eviornment mapping. Aside from that, I'd still rather play Metropolis Street Racer, Crazy Taxi 1 and 2, Daytona USA, Sega Rally, or even Sega GT, than I would Gran Turismo 1, 2, or 3. And when Sega GT and Codename: Project Gotham (MSR2) come out for the X-box, I'll STILL be ignoring Sony's ever crappy line-up. I bought my DC because I hate Sony's games, so why would I buy a game for a system I thought sucked in the first place reguardless of the "enhancements". The tracks on the screenshots I've seen on IGN still look blocky. Wake me up when the X-box comes out, until then.....
>
>What the hell does your Sony biased rant have to with this topic? Nobody gives a crap that you have a love for a company that supports a console for a year or two and then $!@#s their consumers over repeatedly. Blah, blah, blah, cry, cry, cry, DC is dead, deal with it.
>>
>I say this because idiots like you wouldn't know a good game if it came up and bit you in the ass. And therefore, it's idiots like you who would rather support a crappy system with sh!tty games, all because of one failure (Saturn). Gran Turismo 1, 2 , and yes even the track I've played of GT3 sucks. And that is why Sega will blow all of the other Software companies out of the water. By the way, I have a PS2 and I still play my DC, and leave the PS2 for DVD's. And I went through 5 PSX's (that all broke) before I gave up on this piece of sh!t system.

All will bow to the monster that is the X-box.

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 Name: Naga Sotuva Posted: Monday, April 23, 2001 - (22:49)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: who cares?
From: pool-63.53.120.23.nwrk.grid.net
>>>I bought a Dreamcast because, even though Sony has about a bazillion games out, 90% of them are crap. The PS2 percentage is about 97%. Sega Dreamcast, even though graphically inferior to the PS2, still has a 10 good games for Sony's 1. I have played GT3 and find nothing great about it, except for maybe the eviornment mapping. Aside from that, I'd still rather play Metropolis Street Racer, Crazy Taxi 1 and 2, Daytona USA, Sega Rally, or even Sega GT, than I would Gran Turismo 1, 2, or 3. And when Sega GT and Codename: Project Gotham (MSR2) come out for the X-box, I'll STILL be ignoring Sony's ever crappy line-up. I bought my DC because I hate Sony's games, so why would I buy a game for a system I thought sucked in the first place reguardless of the "enhancements". The tracks on the screenshots I've seen on IGN still look blocky. Wake me up when the X-box comes out, until then.....
>>
>>What the hell does your Sony biased rant have to with this topic? Nobody gives a crap that you have a love for a company that supports a console for a year or two and then $!@#s their consumers over repeatedly. Blah, blah, blah, cry, cry, cry, DC is dead, deal with it.
>>>
>>I say this because idiots like you wouldn't know a good game if it came up and bit you in the ass. And therefore, it's idiots like you who would rather support a crappy system with sh!tty games, all because of one failure (Saturn). Gran Turismo 1, 2 , and yes even the track I've played of GT3 sucks. And that is why Sega will blow all of the other Software companies out of the water. By the way, I have a PS2 and I still play my DC, and leave the PS2 for DVD's. And I went through 5 PSX's (that all broke) before I gave up on this piece of sh!t system.
>
>All will bow to the monster that is the X-box.

"all because of one failure (Saturn)."

LOL, one failure? I have a closet full of Sega's failed sh!t. Master System, Sega CD, 32X, Game Gear, the list goes on and on. I'm glad I skipped the Saturn and Dreamcast. I'll be damned if they get any more of my money. Oh, and my PSX that I bought in October of 95 still plays fine.

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 Name: Mikey Posted: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 - (17:42)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: who cares?
From: adsl-20-109-112.bna.bellsouth.net
>>>>I bought a Dreamcast because, even though Sony has about a bazillion games out, 90% of them are crap. The PS2 percentage is about 97%. Sega Dreamcast, even though graphically inferior to the PS2, still has a 10 good games for Sony's 1. I have played GT3 and find nothing great about it, except for maybe the eviornment mapping. Aside from that, I'd still rather play Metropolis Street Racer, Crazy Taxi 1 and 2, Daytona USA, Sega Rally, or even Sega GT, than I would Gran Turismo 1, 2, or 3. And when Sega GT and Codename: Project Gotham (MSR2) come out for the X-box, I'll STILL be ignoring Sony's ever crappy line-up. I bought my DC because I hate Sony's games, so why would I buy a game for a system I thought sucked in the first place reguardless of the "enhancements". The tracks on the screenshots I've seen on IGN still look blocky. Wake me up when the X-box comes out, until then.....
>>>
>>>What the hell does your Sony biased rant have to with this topic? Nobody gives a crap that you have a love for a company that supports a console for a year or two and then $!@#s their consumers over repeatedly. Blah, blah, blah, cry, cry, cry, DC is dead, deal with it.
>>>>
>>>I say this because idiots like you wouldn't know a good game if it came up and bit you in the ass. And therefore, it's idiots like you who would rather support a crappy system with sh!tty games, all because of one failure (Saturn). Gran Turismo 1, 2 , and yes even the track I've played of GT3 sucks. And that is why Sega will blow all of the other Software companies out of the water. By the way, I have a PS2 and I still play my DC, and leave the PS2 for DVD's. And I went through 5 PSX's (that all broke) before I gave up on this piece of sh!t system.
>>
>>All will bow to the monster that is the X-box.
>
>"all because of one failure (Saturn)."
>
>LOL, one failure? I have a closet full of Sega's failed sh!t. Master System, Sega CD, 32X, Game Gear, the list goes on and on. I'm glad I skipped the Saturn and Dreamcast. I'll be damned if they get any more of my money. Oh, and my PSX that I bought in October of 95 still plays fine.
>
Hmmm...We have discovered a little Sony fanboy.

Master System... Did well, but Nintendo had a stranglehold on the market. Lasted beyond it's 5 year lifespan.
Sega CD.... did quite well until Sega changed the design of the Genesis.
32x... Okay, I'd hafta agree w/ you on that one.
Game Gear... Beat Lynx and lasted it's 5 year lifespan. I Still play mine.
Dreamcast... Dead, production wise, but they're still selling better than the PSone OR PS2.

YES I SAID SATURN!!! That and the Nomad was Sega's only miserable failure, and I don't count the Nomad, because it was basically the Genesis. And even the Saturn did better in Japan than the PSX until a year or two ago. The only place the Saturn flopped was here. If you don't believe me, read "The First Quarter" by Steven L. Kent.... Quite an informative book. Sega can't market systems to save their lives, but quality of games picks up the slack on their poor marketing. I could re-write the code for Pac-Man and send it to Sony and they would instantly rush it into production. Sony just better start praying.. Our store (babbages) already has over 50 pre-orders for the X-box, which is more than we have for even the GBA. And we had to quit taking orders because we don't want to go through that PLAYSTATION 2 bulls**t again.

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Name: Kurgan Posted: Saturday, April 21, 2001 - (19:45)
Subject: Sucks...
From: jdslppp191.desm.uswest.net
..but at least it's still coming out. They waited far too long, I think, and they haven't done as good a job on PSX emulation as Connectix, but at least it's something for DC owners.

The gamepacks probably would have been better, as this will just make the "warez" route more attractive to those who want to play enhanced PSX games on their DC's.

Kurgan

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Name: Nollij Posted: Saturday, April 21, 2001 - (19:43)
Subject: bleemPC, and customer appreciation
From: ppp119.c5300-3.day-oh.siscom.net
I bought bleemPC a year and a half ago. At the time, it wasn't that bad- it worked decently with what I was using, and I knew/thought it to be a work in progress.
At E3, they debuted bleemcast, and mentioned that bleemPC was halted in November- A detail that SHOULD'VE been released to the general public (or at the very least, the owners)
The mention that bleemPC might've gone to bleempak formats distressed many registered users- including myself- because there was no word on how they would deal with current/former supporters (if only we knew then what we know now...)
This became a rather large issue on the message boards, and rather than clarify it somehow, they closed the boards- a slap in the face of everyone that was paying their bills. Then the leaks began...
All testing was done on bleemcast because "bleemPC sucks"; Randy, the coder behind it all, saying how he doesn't care about the PC port anymore, since he thinks everyone got what their $30 was worth, etc.
The comment about "And they expect us to pay for it" refers to this entire year-long saga, and how bleem actually expects more people to place their faith in them, with their wallets. I have personally discouraged everyone from buying bleem for the past year or so, and I predict that within the first week, it will have been released by at least a dozen DC ISO groups (with the first being done less than an hour after release), simply because of the sheer volume of people that have been pissed off by it all.

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Name: Nollij Posted: Saturday, April 21, 2001 - (19:41)
Subject: bleemPC, and customer appreciation
From: ppp119.c5300-3.day-oh.siscom.net
I bought bleemPC a year and a half ago. At the time, it wasn't that bad- it worked decently with what I was using, and I knew/thought it to be a work in progress.
At E3, they debuted bleemcast, and mentioned that bleemPC was halted in November- A detail that SHOULD'VE been released to the general public (or at the very least, the owners)
The mention that bleemPC might've gone to bleempak formats distressed many registered users- including myself- because there was no word on how they would deal with current/former supporters (if only we knew then what we know now...)
This became a rather large issue on the message boards, and rather than clarify it somehow, they closed the boards- a slap in the face of everyone that was paying their bills. Then the leaks began...
All testing was done on bleemcast because "bleemPC sucks"; Randy, the coder behind it all, saying how he doesn't care about the PC port anymore, since he thinks everyone got what their $30 was worth, etc.
The comment about "And they expect us to pay for it" refers to this entire year-long saga, and how bleem actually expects more people to place their faith in them, with their wallets. I have personally discouraged everyone from buying bleem for the past year or so, and I predict that within the first week, it will have been released by at least a dozen DC ISO groups (with the first being done less than an hour after release), simply because of the sheer volume of people that have been pissed off by it all.

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Name: Waiting Posted: Saturday, April 21, 2001 - (18:46)
Subject: before
From: proxy.freesurf.fr
I can't wait connectix to make a psx emu for dc,cause that bleem for dreamcast(i have one) such and it stucks
every time i play a game,it is the same as Pc version only 640x480 resolution
and gameplay slow than the grandmother of the Bleem develop
in definitive i wait connectix to make
thing come true
......
see latere mass of stupid english sucker and licker at the foot of whoever made a emu
if i don't have quality for free,i fon't want with or without the emu is free bla bla bla!
ok?
enjoy the best,kill any develop don't make a perfect emulator,and if you complain with the develop and enjoy is terrible product you are a licker,and a stupid licker must die with a pile in his ass together with the emu develop
that's all
see soon
in the same frequence
.........

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 Name: Kurgan Posted: Saturday, April 21, 2001 - (20:08)
Subject: No, wrong..
From: jdslppp191.desm.uswest.net
The issue is NOT that Bleem or BleemCast "should" be free and isn't, no the issue is with compatability.

It really "sucks" for the consumer who wants to play their favorite games through emulation (PSX games that are really cheap and old by today's standards) and have to buy a new game disc for each game. Think of it.. you have a hundred PSX games you want to play on DC, so you need to buy 100 game discs at $6 apiece. Ouch!

Anyway, gamepacks would have been nice, but ultimately, you'd want the emulator to be like the free emulators.. that is, supported indefinately (until nearly all the games work perfectly or the company goes out of business) with new revisions, rather than a limited run of specific games, or having to buy new discs for each game.

But since they are in it for the money (since it is a commercial emulator after all) and to offset costs, it should better than free emulators.

I think what would have been nice is a subscription based model. That is, you buy the inital BleemCast (you could apply this to BleemPC as well) and it has X level of games supported (a good number of popular games). Then you sign up with an online subscription (or maybe a mail order thingy) and you can pay for a year of updates or something and you get the newly supported games (on disc or software update) perhaps as packs. Kind of like Norton Utilities does liveupdate, or how they did it with the Old Game Genie subscriptions.

That way they could justify the time involved, stay in business, keep people happy, and still make money without looking like they're jerking the customers around.

But they probably won't use my idea.. too bad.

Having the emulator not being free isn't the issue, it's just the way in which it is supported and the manner of the upgrading system that has people suspicious.

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 Name: Mike C Posted: Monday, April 23, 2001 - (8:31)
Subject: Re: No, wrong..
From: cr679101-a.shprd1.on.wave.home.com
Your subscription model wouldn't work, it is a good idea though.

Your idea would have to assume that the bleem product was steadily being worked on and improved, with your idea it would come out at a snails pace as bleem would most likely 'milk it' for all they can, each new update would only support one or two new games, why ad support for a lot of games when you can add support for only a hand full and make more money on the rest.

Quick anology, getting your getting your car engine rebuilt at a mechanic, after the fact the mechanic realizes he 'forgot' a part. Did he really forget, no, but you now have to pay more money in labour to get it fixed when it sould have been done in the first place.


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Name: James Flynn Posted: Saturday, April 21, 2001 - (17:15)
Subject:
From: 128.164.197.114
JoseQ, I certainly respect the right of an emu author to charge for their work.

However, in light of the poor quality of PC version, and disingenuous marketing and support practices surrounding it, I would advise against purchasing anything put out by bleem, inc. While I myself would really like to play GT2 on my DC, I will not give those people any more money.

For anyone who is interested, this article - http://www.psxemu.com/bleempress.htm - from about a month ago, is an intriguing account written by a former bleem employee about his unpleasant time there.

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Name: Twigboy Posted: Saturday, April 21, 2001 - (17:00)
Subject: I Dream of Bleem
From: spider-wo044.proxy.aol.com
I think they should stay with the Pc format,I hardly think it was worth the time spent on the project.I'm sure everyone that owns thee Pc version has been waiting for a upgrade.

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Name: Bob Silva Posted: Saturday, April 21, 2001 - (14:48)
Subject: RE: ???
From: host62-7-181-41.host.btclick.com
Whats the point? Shouldn't have bothered wasting their time, and spent said time on finishing there PC PSX emu...

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 Name: JoseQ Posted: Saturday, April 21, 2001 - (15:05)
Subject: Re: RE: ???
From: roc-24-93-19-224.rochester.rr.com
That is probably true. That may have gotten them more income than the DC version, although the DC version is less 'sueable' than the PC one I guess.

JoseQ

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 Name: Posted: Sunday, April 22, 2001 - (1:31)
Subject: Re: Re: RE: ???
From: v020.usachoice.net
>That is probably true. That may have gotten them more income than the DC version, although the DC version is less 'sueable' than the PC one I guess.
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>JoseQ
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I'm sorry JoseQ but I respectfully disagree with your take, one year development so one game can be supported? And will the Bleempod be a requirement? *for memory saving as from what I've heard the VMU stores less info than a PSX memory card* and if you factor Bleempod in, it gets ridiculous...

Look, I don't expect free emulation, but honest business practices, solid and reliable products for the money, and integrity in the company, shouldn't be asking for much...

But Bleem lied to its users *on specs needed for Bleem and compatibility issues*, manipulated people *by making that falso comparison between Bleem vs VGS* *holding the 'promise' that Gran Turiswmo 2 would be 'playable' on a PC Bleem* , I wonder how much money was made on the pre orders, how long has electronic Boutique and other companies been holding on to many gamers money? And now what? A game? A year for A game?

Sorry, but I am not impressed... :(

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 Name: Paratech Posted: Sunday, April 22, 2001 - (1:32)
Subject: Sorry, it was my post
From: v020.usachoice.net
I hit 'return' too damned quick! LOL :)

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Name: Posted: Saturday, April 21, 2001 - (13:51)
Subject:
From: 199.203.183.28

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 Name: asdf Posted: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 - (16:38)
Subject: Re:
From: anon-ascella.proxy.anonymizer.com
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HELLO!

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