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InterView with FB's Dave - May 11,2001 by JoseQ
I'm very proud to have a new InterView on the site after such a long time without one, and this time I'm happy to have the opportunity to get Final Burn's Dave and ask him a few question. Dave really needs no introduction, although I must say most people don't actually know him well. His actions have been surrounded by swarms of flase speculation, and accussations left and right. I have been in contact with Dave throughout his emulator's development and I must say that most people have it wrong. He's a cool guy whom like any human being, has a hard time dealing with what we all know as lamers. So without further ado, I give you an InterView with Dave:

1. Well I guess you don't need much of an introduction, but can youtell us what first attracted you to emulation? How long where you anuser before you start your own emulation project?

Just that it was possible really amazed me, I think the first emu I saw wasJPP (Spectrum emu) and VGB. I was an on-off user for about a year before, Ithink. Genem, then Genecyst and KGen came out. Jeff Slutter was working onTMNTEmu, and he just released the source for it. I couldn't read his sourcethat well so I started from scratch using it as info.

2. Was DTMNT your first project and what did you find most difficultabout getting this game emulated?

First emu project yes: it was all new to me. The sprites kept on corruptingso we just hacked it. Oh then I had this big problem with the soundcrashing all the time: it was all due to latching interrupts and stuffthough I didn't realize it.

3. Why did you decide to stop working on it and start your hiatus fromemulation development?
Academic stuff! Not that it ever stopped me before!

4. How long were you out? were you still actively following emulationwhile not doing development yourself?
Always yeah: apart from the Impact era I think I followed it closely.

5. When the first release of the "After Burner Emu", it had only beena few days after the first announcement was ever made. How long did itactually get you to get to that state?

I actually had it working from about June (as a stand alone emu). But I hadalso emulated Out Run and Space Harrier too so I thought it would a goodidea to write myself a multi-emu framework (Charles Macdonald was alsotrying to write one for himself at this time to combine his System 16stuff). Mine became the 'Burn' library because the first game was After Burner.The emu name was just a combination of "Final Take Off" and "Burn" library.There had been a recent thing about fake emus and stuff, so I did this jokefor a day where I made this emu look like an obvious fake! (Cheap Geocitiespage and everything.)

6. What were the driving factors in adding new Sega games to youremulator? How did you like improving on it back then?

I love Out Run, After Burner and Power Drift. Galaxy Force also has thiskind of nostalgic appeal (I only saw it once). So after figuring out the ABmaths chip, GF hardware was just within reach (well actually it was damnhard, but once I started I had to finish it!). Three CPUs, copros, unknownmemory map and no primary cpu?? Oh my god!

7. What was the main reason to pick up CPS-2 emulation and add itinto Final Burn?

It just seemed perfect because I already had a tested framework for 68000and Z80 emulation, and Raz was on the brink of decoding CPS2. Strangelythere was talk at that time of no other emulators supporting CPS2 - noteven MAME. I'd always wanted to emulate CPS1 as well (which is nearlyidentical). So the decision to emulate CPS2 was easy: go go go! No thinkingrequired.

8. In retrospect, would you have done that again? why (yes or not)?

Absolutely - I had a great time emulating CPS2: the worst puzzle wasemulating the row scroll effect efficiently. And it was great to be doingcutting edge stuff. The big mistake was releasing it: but there was no wayto see that at the time. As soon as I released it, no-one bothered to makeanother CPS2 emu (till Nebula), because it was covered. So then there wasthis pressure on me to emulate every CPS2 game as it came along: and ofcourse as soon as my favorites had been done it turned into a chore.

9. At one point you had a Final Burn release without CPS-2 support init... can you tell us why that happened?

Yeah I just wanted to go back to the old Sega games. After Burner wasn'tcompleted. My hope was someone else would bring out a 'real' CPS2 emu. Ofcourse everyone went ballistic: my e-mail was unusable. So I put them backin and my e-mail calmed down back to 'background' lame mail. It seemedworth it really: add in a CPS2 game every week or so, and I can still usemy e-mail.

10. How did you like working with the MAME guys and getting thosedrivers working in that emulator? Which other teams did you contributeto?

Well I'm on MameDev and I talked to Paul a lot about CPS1 and 2. Nicolafigured out the mystery priority system!It's great: they've just seen it all before thousands of times in other games.

11. So here we are, well over 50 release of Final Burn in just a fewmonths, and we had the final Final Burn release... What were you saywere the main factors that made you stop development and close the site?

Just insults from so many people. I was a bit annoyed with all the lamemail. The moment I decided to quit I remember really clearly: I went forthe first time to a famous controversial emu site's message board and Ifound an entire thread of people insulting me. They didn't like me becauseone of their friends had a web-site for hacking Final Burn and I said Iwouldn't release a new version if he didn't stop. They were clearly usingmy code a lot and just firing insults in return. There was also somethingon the front news page. I just thought "F**k this - I'm doing this for free"!

12. What were the main reasons to post this Final release after everythingwas seemingly over?

Like everything else in the Final Burn saga, I didn't realise it would besuch a big deal. Version 0.113 was the version which happened to be outwhen I decided to "quit da scene" and take the web-site down. I put it backup yesterday (it has quite a good section on Capcom history and it seems ashame to waste the Finalburn.com domain). The web-site includes theemulator so I put the current build (0.114) on the site - nothing had beenadded: I had just rearranged the game list last week to be alphabetical.Makes sense if no drivers are being developed.
I also put a message on the site explaining that it was no longer underdevelopment.

13. Are you considering, or would you consider actively developing FinalBurn or other emulators in the future?

Possibly, but not publicly. Anything I work on will only appear through Mame.

14. What would you like see happening with Final Burn?

Just remembered as an After Burner and Galaxy Force emulator.Maybe just a background tool for me to contribute a bit to MAME. e.g. AddCPS3 emulation to it to help find out about the CPS3 hardware, then add anyinfo to MAME. That's what I should have done with CPS2.

15. What would you like see happening with the emulation scene as a whole?

I'd like to see less people driven to "quit da scene" because of lamers.Must be about ten people so far?

16. Have you looked at the Kaillera API, and have you consideredimplementing it into Final Burn? If yes, would this come outpublically?

I haven't looked into it, no. In fact I haven't played around with Kailleraat all yet, but it sounds very good. My Internet connection is quite slowthough, so it's probably not worth it.
(I find it quite amusing people talking about me adding Kaillera supportand then using it privately... who exactly would I play against?!)
Since I'm not going to be developing Final Burn, I'm not going to addKaillera support.

17. Any last message to the emulation fans out there?
Sorry guys. I just really didn't like being called a "Nazi".

So what do you think? Do you still think he's selfish? As far as I know he contributed as much as he possibly could with other projects. He's not playing games with anybody. In my opinion, he's just doing what he likes and just like myself, doesn't appreciate being flamed for it. To be honest, it's hard to believe that after all of the hard work, people like Dave still get hate mail. Oh well, I hope you enjoyed reading the InterView and learning more about Dave and his work.

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Name: LamerZ Posted: Saturday, July 26, 2003 - (15:27)
Subject: DIE DAVE!
From: accad2e3.ipt.aol.com
HOW CAN ANYONE BE SO TALENTED YET SO STUPID! DAVE SHOULD REALIZE THAT THE PEOPLE HE REFERS TO AS 'LAMERS' COULD PROBABLY BE PEOPLE WHO DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK ABOUT HIS EMULATOR OR IF HE LIVES OR DIES. IN ANY CASE, I'M SURE DAVE IS QUITE THE DORK, AND SHOULD GET USED TO BEING PICKED ON BY NOW.

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 Name: men toBOYS Posted: Wednesday, April 7, 2004 - (12:41)
Subject: Re: DIE DAVE!
From: user207x99x211x41.cvusd.k12.ca.us
>What the fuck are u talkin bout NAZI.
>

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Name: Alexander Santos Posted: Sunday, August 12, 2001 - (2:00)
Subject: Nettiquette 101
From: pr7-ts.telepac.pt
I would like to share my thanks and appreciation to EVERY single person who has been a positive contributor to the retro/classic gaming scene.

Without the wonderful work done by these wonderful people, today we would have lost a very very important part of popular culture. The dawning of the video game era and all the stories it has told us.

Bare with me,
I personally find it very discouraging and disrespectful to myself, let alone those who worked on the emulators, that they should be flamed. It really is unnecessary.

On the two occasions that I visited emuviews today, I had to go through textual submissions that were nasty, inappropriate, not to mention lacking common sense.

How to be nice on the net, visit
http://pixel.cs.vt.edu/~rreaux/tutorial/internet/nettiquette.html

Thank you Jose for this opportunity.

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Name: Dale Bushell Posted: Friday, August 3, 2001 - (18:31)
Subject: Final Burn emulator
From: proxy.sna.netsetter.com
I think that Dave is a great man. He has created a wonderful emulator that has never let me down. He should move on to CPS-3 emulaton. Because it would be another emulator that he had created
and I would love to use it.

I hope he goes to CPS-3.


Dr.DRB
Dale
Bushell

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 Name: Posted: Monday, July 26, 2004 - (13:26)
Subject: Re: Final Burn emulator
From: host81-152-250-56.range81-152.btcentralplus.com
>I think that Dave is a great man. He has created a wonderful emulator that has never let me down. He should move on to CPS-3 emulaton. Because it would be another emulator that he had created
>and I would love to use it.
>
>I hope he goes to CPS-3.
>
>
> Dr.DRB
> Dale
> Bushell
>

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 Name: luca Posted: Monday, February 28, 2005 - (11:58)
Subject: Re: Re: Final Burn emulator
From: 200.171.182.209
>>I think that Dave is a great man. He has created a wonderful emulator that has never let me down. He should move on to CPS-3 emulaton. Because it would be another emulator that he had created
>>and I would love to use it.
>>
>>I hope he goes to CPS-3.
>>
>>
>> Dr.DRB
>> Dale
>> Bushell
>>
>

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 Name: drex Posted: Saturday, December 18, 2004 - (7:18)
Subject: Re: Re: Final Burn emulator
From: 201.224.21.203
>>I think that Dave is a great man. He has created a wonderful emulator that has never let me down. He should move on to CPS-3 emulaton. Because it would be another emulator that he had created
>>and I would love to use it.
>>
>>I hope he goes to CPS-3.
>>
>>
>> Dr.DRB
>> Dale
>> Bushell
>>
>

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Name: J2K Posted: Monday, June 11, 2001 - (15:50)
Subject: please come back to LIFE DAVE!!!
From: 196-28-48-99.prtc.net
I am from Puerto Rico and I think that
the work you have done all this time
is exellent and you are "The best CPS2
Emulator builder" and I go all the days
to the official final burn site to see
if you come back to LIFE with a new and
great Emulator.... "THE FINAL BURN"

I have written this words from the HEART DAVE...PLEASE COME BACK...

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Name: Wowblagger Posted: Thursday, May 17, 2001 - (6:53)
Subject: Hilarious!
From: host213-122-163-41.btinternet.com
Lamers who underestimate the effort involved in coding an emulator that translates the intructions of multiple processors in real time could always try coding their own emu or contributing to the many emulators that are out there by doing some reasearch and bringing something POSITIVE to the scene.. I'm sure that would BE really something, given their inability to communicate in basic English without resorting to cursing.. :)

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Name: Supafly Posted: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 - (18:02)
Subject: My thought
From: 196.25.109.30
I want nothing more to do with this finalburn situation, it's over !!! I just want to say it is WAY to early for CPS3 emulation.

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Name: Marv Posted: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 - (18:02)
Subject: My earlier post
From: 194.82.103.35
Any particular reason why it got deleted? There wasn't anything offensive there. I guess that either it got flamed or deleted due to the large amount of other posts :(

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Name: FINALBURNMANIAC Posted: Monday, May 14, 2001 - (17:56)
Subject: DONT GO
From: 196.28.48.99
PLEASE DAVE GET BACK TO WORK I NEED IT

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Name: oink Posted: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 - (15:00)
Subject: Re: DONT GO
From: 216.6.14.45
>PLEASE DAVE GET BACK TO WORK I NEED IT
>

Pls stop this.

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Name: CS25 Posted: Monday, May 14, 2001 - (8:48)
Subject:
From: 62.94.130.51
My idea is simple : we all waited for years to see cps2 emulated, and when things started to work, a LOT of lamers tried to ruin it.
They succeded, veeeery cool :(
Only because some idiots where so impatient of playing their favourite beat'em'up, one of the best emulators and one of the best authors were forced to stop working.
Is Dave a Nazi if he got upset seeing it's work being cannibalized because of "impatience"? Should we blame him, or the idiot who decided to show it's own lamer ability to steal Dave's work?
Probably there are too many "kids" around, or probably I'm getting old.

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 Name: Me Posted: Monday, May 14, 2001 - (12:06)
Subject: hmmm,...
From: 141.53.7.66
...how did CPS2 emulation get ruined for you? As far as I can see there are plenty of other emus out there which, if they haven't already, in time will surplant this one. Same goes for the Sega stuff. Look at the bright side of things...

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Name: The Truth Posted: Monday, May 14, 2001 - (2:06)
Subject: Well from what I saw!
From: 172.137.139.68
Dayvee posted a bunch of emails to those EC guys including Numbski telling his followers to email bomb them and send virus attacks! THEN he got called a nazi for it!

IMO Dayvee deserved that one! Funny how they omitted certain facts from this interview just for free games! Sheesh!

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Name: Walk Posted: Monday, May 14, 2001 - (0:12)
Subject: Wow
From: 64.12.105.181
220 posts and counting, is there anything that hasnt been said about this whole situation?
JoseQ i bet if you had nother news section which was entitled "My view on this entire ordeal" i bet there would be another 200+ posts just reiterating the same thing thats been said everyday for months now.

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Name: Kurgan Posted: Sunday, May 13, 2001 - (23:00)
Subject: To quote a certain someone...
From: 63.224.188.191
"It's just a fucking game."

Hope this is the last I have to hear about this little soap opera on this site. ; p

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Name: Digital Gigolo Posted: Sunday, May 13, 2001 - (20:53)
Subject: Daves problem
From: 200.176.20.33
Hey man
Heres the deal. I know how to solve your real big problem. You keep going with final burn, and I'll get you a WOMAN! REALLY! I think that's probably your problem, you probably had never ever even touched one! Why dont'ya give it a try?

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Name: pers Posted: Sunday, May 13, 2001 - (17:06)
Subject: wow
From: 63.11.146.62
WOW, marathon effort.... seems like you can generate an entire board in 36 hours, JoseQ - shows how popular this great site is.
Im a little dubious about some of the posts though. I cant really understand how having one of the best emulators for free can make so many people angry!
Just like the changing of the seasons, emulators come and go, for lots of reasons. And Daves final burn burned very brightly for me over its short life and will no doubt bring a lot of pleasure to many people in the future. I fondly remember the early stages and the excitement generated by afterburner, railchase and especially power drift. And Dave was very responsive and helpful on this site's main messageboard, responding and implementing many peoples requests. Lots of people wont forget that, including me.
Its very saddening to see that many people feel such anger toward Dave and other emulator programmers. The main impact of this behavior is that it WILL discourage the future wave of emulator programmers - after all who wants all that hassle for nothing in return. Its a sad indictment that some of us humans, the highest evolved species, still have the urge to bite the hands that feed us.

pers.

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Name: Posted: Friday, July 9, 2004 - (17:49)
Subject: Re: wow
From: defense-2-81-57-133-99.fbx.proxad.net
>WOW, marathon effort.... seems like you can generate an entire board in 36 hours, JoseQ - shows how popular this great site is.
>Im a little dubious about some of the posts though. I cant really understand how having one of the best emulators for free can make so many people angry!
>Just like the changing of the seasons, emulators come and go, for lots of reasons. And Daves final burn burned very brightly for me over its short life and will no doubt bring a lot of pleasure to many people in the future. I fondly remember the early stages and the excitement generated by afterburner, railchase and especially power drift. And Dave was very responsive and helpful on this site's main messageboard, responding and implementing many peoples requests. Lots of people wont forget that, including me.
>Its very saddening to see that many people feel such anger toward Dave and other emulator programmers. The main impact of this behavior is that it WILL discourage the future wave of emulator programmers - after all who wants all that hassle for nothing in return. Its a sad indictment that some of us humans, the highest evolved species, still have the urge to bite the hands that feed us.
>
>pers.
>

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Name: Chris Posted: Sunday, May 13, 2001 - (3:38)
Subject: Shame
From: 148.244.77.2
It´s a shame that I have to play new games with a launcher, Dave is one of the greatest if not the best.

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Name: EmuSerpent Posted: Sunday, May 13, 2001 - (3:30)
Subject: one last thing..
From: 203.98.21.41
while dave still has the domain finalburn.com

i would hope dave returned and expressed his talent with updated news on cps3 emu development

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 Name: Posted: Sunday, May 13, 2001 - (4:34)
Subject: Re: one last thing..
From: 212.151.173.54
>while dave still has the domain finalburn.com
>
>i would hope dave returned and expressed his talent with updated news on cps3 emu development
>
I actually hope that he NEVER starts with CPS3!!
Dave.. I told you before, you'll be only asking for trouble with the newer hardware and games..

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 Name: Posted: Friday, November 12, 2004 - (2:58)
Subject: Re: Re: one last thing..
From: 221.184.48.133
>>while dave still has the domain finalburn.com
>>
>>i would hope dave returned and expressed his talent with updated news on cps3 emu development
>>
>I actually hope that he NEVER starts with CPS3!!
>Dave.. I told you before, you'll be only asking for trouble with the newer hardware and games..
>

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 Name: Posted: Tuesday, November 9, 2004 - (21:47)
Subject: Re: Re: one last thing..
From: 210.255.176.146
>>while dave still has the domain finalburn.com
>>
>>i would hope dave returned and expressed his talent with updated news on cps3 emu development
>>
>I actually hope that he NEVER starts with CPS3!!
>Dave.. I told you before, you'll be only asking for trouble with the newer hardware and games..
>

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 Name: jmj Posted: Sunday, September 26, 2004 - (22:13)
Subject: where
From: 24.93.195.79
where can i find cps3 emu & roms?

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 Name: Posted: Friday, January 30, 2004 - (5:59)
Subject: Re: Re: one last thing..
From: 212.85.1.101
>>while dave still has the domain finalburn.com
>>
>>i would hope dave returned and expressed his talent with updated news on cps3 emu development
>>
>I actually hope that he NEVER starts with CPS3!!
>Dave.. I told you before, you'll be only asking for trouble with the newer hardware and games..
>

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Name: EmuSerpent Posted: Sunday, May 13, 2001 - (3:26)
Subject: finalburn sequel ?
From: 203.98.21.41
Dave did what he had to do, he doesnt have to return because his morals are more important than the ones sulking with slow emulators.

The abuse should not be tolerated to begin with.

Its like music, we listen to it, if we like it we purchase the album,

With finalburn it was free you didnt pay a cent and you just had to sit and wait!

-the emu scene is like a volcano and it will errupt anytime without hesitation

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Name: Manao Posted: Sunday, May 13, 2001 - (2:56)
Subject: to Dave
From: 200.186.238.93
hey Dave....

did you read these comments????? did you count how many people supports your emulator?????
man... realy.... I don't understand why you don't reconsider your position and continue updating FB...
I know that there are so many one-cell-brain people around there.... but.... look again... look how many more-than-one-cell-brain people supporting you...
you might have not think about it... but, I think you didn't understand that you changed many things in emulation world... changed people's life...
dave... I think that FB is the best emul I ever seen.... none emul is so fast, so light and so good as yours.... realy.... I know that there're some CPS2 emuls around there.... but they'll never be so good as your.... NEVER...
dave... I almost cried when I saw that FB would be discontinued.... I thought "F**K!!!! my reason to stay on internet waiting for new cps2shock's releases are over...."
so.... plz, Dave.... think again... you made hundreds of peoples happier with your emul.... (including me, obvious =] ) OK??

c ya.
Manao

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 Name: moloko Posted: Sunday, May 13, 2001 - (12:23)
Subject: Re: to Dave
From: 207.42.35.81
"but they'll never be so good as your.... NEVER...dave..."

Oh come on...now you are just being too dramatic. Eventually something will come that is better. Maybe not today, maybe not tommorrow but someday.




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Name: BunkyD Posted: Sunday, May 13, 2001 - (2:22)
Subject: Shame...
From: 203.23.236.66
Its a shame FB was discontinued, it has the best scanline effects of ANY emulator. Thanks Dayvee.

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 Name: Phys32 Posted: Sunday, May 13, 2001 - (7:39)
Subject: Re: Shame©©©
From: 212.198.0.91
>Its a shame FB was discontinued, it has the best scanline effects of ANY emulator© Thanks Dayvee©
>
Yes, I agree and also the best qsound emulation©
I can heard weird sound in Nebula like in the LP disk on old pick up©

Please, Dave, If you reconsider your position ?
Thanks in advance,
Regards,

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Name: MEets! Posted: Sunday, May 13, 2001 - (1:58)
Subject: thanks dave!
From: 151.197.209.109
dave i'm sorry
people can be a-hole's lots of the time!
they got spoiled and treated you like poop!
thanks!
again from MEets!

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Name: Hmmmmm Posted: Sunday, May 13, 2001 - (1:43)
Subject: Heres a thought....
From: 165.247.135.132
Well I've been around the emulation scene for a while now, and as far as I can tell most of Dave's trouble comes from the idiots who e-mail him.

I've never heard any complaints or been flamed for any of the programs or emulators I've written, and the solution is fairly simple.

Rule 1: Never give the idiots an e-mail address to write to in the first place, that was a big mistake.

Rule 2: If you want others opinions and such, as I'm sure Dave is well connected with alot of webmasters and folks in the emulation scene, give your e-mail address to the people you trust (privately).

Rule 3: If there does come a time when you would like the publics opinion on your work, go ahead and pay a visit to a few message boards. If they are filled with idiots... oh well it happens. Most of my tweaks and upgrades to my software have come from message board suggestions. Just weed through the shit til ya see something interesting. Other than that I don't pay attention to anything else.

I think the Final Burn emulator was a fabulous thing. Hell I almost fell out of my chair when I found out I was gonna finally be able to play all my favorite X-men games!

So Dave if you wanna try again, see if any of that helps. If not, I understand perfectly. Here's to you man!

Cheerio

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 Name: Same dude Posted: Sunday, May 13, 2001 - (1:51)
Subject: Re: Heres a thought....
From: 165.247.135.132
Oh and PS...

You'll notice I still didn't mention a thing about what I've done or worked on, or even bothered to give my name. Therefore I can't really be flamed because you have no idea who this is.

hahaha

Anonimity is rather amusing at times :o)

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 Name: Posted: Sunday, May 13, 2001 - (4:41)
Subject: Re: Re: Heres a thought....
From: 212.151.173.54
>Oh and PS...
>
>You'll notice I still didn't mention a thing about what I've done or worked on, or even bothered to give my name. Therefore I can't really be flamed because you have no idea who this is.
>
>hahaha
>

It's easy to see the faults now when all is over but I do agree with you.. High profile games such as on CPS2 will attract lamers.. We have seen what has with alot of other emu coders and they said the same thing.. Too many lamers emailing them.. Kinda sad that Dave never noticed that part.. it would have saved alot of trouble.. Then again dave could step back, code the FB to make it more perfect then now and release under a new name, new site and under new personal name (John Doe anyone? =) )

>Anonimity is rather amusing at times :o)
>

In these times.. it should be essential..

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Name: pdogg Posted: Sunday, May 13, 2001 - (1:13)
Subject: damn
From: 205.188.192.34
thing that really sucks, is we have to suffer much slower emulation thru MAME than the 100% burning performance of Final Burn..truely the best emu in a long long while....and about all that CPS-TOO-LAME crap, main, CPS2 has some of da bombest gamez ever on it, definatly better than the waaaay overrated Neo-Geo crap, too bad lamers seem to rule the internet these days, as everybody an they momma got a Pc...anywayz, good luck in MAMEW sheeiit, and if u ever do consider releasing a newer version of Final Burn sometime...believe me, it would be appreciated...fuck the haters

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Name: TheBeaver Posted: Sunday, May 13, 2001 - (0:35)
Subject: Can I make a point here?
From: 63.34.228.25
Of topic point:
Isn't it messages of bad language and immaturity, like many below, that caused JoseQ to close this site down?
I mean, show a little concern here, guys.

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Name: Studly Do-Right Posted: Sunday, May 13, 2001 - (0:29)
Subject: No comment
From: 198.81.16.176
This might be the first original position taken about the Dave vs. the emulation world, elites vs. the lamers arguments. I reaffirm my position -- no comment. Hey, it feels good be an original AND to keep my opinion to myself.

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Name: Dustin Posted: Sunday, May 13, 2001 - (0:16)
Subject: Lamer than Lamer lamers
From: 24.182.177.139
As I'm reading all of this crap, I just have to say one thing. All you people that are putting down lamers... oh they bitch and they whine and blah blah blah. Look at yourselves, thats EXACTLY what you are doing. I haven't even really seen a lamer post in a while, so slow your "I'm-a-superior-true-emulation fan" rant. Its all getting very old.

And as I said before. The elite are assholes. You guys have become more annoying than the lamers.

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 Name: Posted: Monday, May 14, 2001 - (0:04)
Subject: Re: Lamer than Lamer lamers
From: 152.163.201.179
>As I'm reading all of this crap, I just have to say one thing. All you people that are putting down lamers... oh they bitch and they whine and blah blah blah. Look at yourselves, thats EXACTLY what you are doing. I haven't even really seen a lamer post in a while, so slow your "I'm-a-superior-true-emulation fan" rant. Its all getting very old.
>
>And as I said before. The elite are assholes. You guys have become more annoying than the lamers.
>

So true, so true.

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 Name: shadow dancer Posted: Sunday, May 13, 2001 - (11:12)
Subject: Re: Lamer than Lamer lamers
From: 62.255.0.6
Dustin I agree its nice 2 see a well written well argued post. The people who are complaining about the so called lamers are just little 13 year old shit head who just don't like spending money and want every new emulated 4 them, 4 free. Emulation is about old games, not new games 4 little tossers who don't like spending money...

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 Name: Atomic skull Posted: Monday, May 14, 2001 - (5:48)
Subject: Re: Re: Lamer than Lamer lamers
From: 24.16.44.82
>Dustin I agree its nice 2 see a well written well argued post. The people who are complaining about the so called lamers are just little 13 year old shit head who just don't like spending money and want every new emulated 4 them, 4 free. Emulation is about old games, not new games 4 little tossers who don't like spending money...

No, I don't want ANY new games emulated.. Particularly CPS2, Neo Gep. etc. That stuff is of no interest to me.
>

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 Name: Paulisse Posted: Sunday, May 13, 2001 - (6:38)
Subject: Are you sure you're reading THIS forum?
From: 193.252.214.182
Cos' what I do read here is only thanks to Dave and flaming of so-called lamers pucking on him: nothing abnormal and surely no elitism unless "elite" means being grateful to those who make good to you and resisting to those who do harms to you...^_^!

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 Name: Dustin Posted: Sunday, May 13, 2001 - (0:19)
Subject: Re: Lamer than Lamer lamers
From: 24.182.177.139
Oh yeah, I do realise that, in some ways, I fall into the above category. But lets get this straight, I'm an asshole, not a fucking asshole

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Name: psyduckdemexico Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (23:56)
Subject: no importa lo que digan
From: 148.244.129.50
mira chaval todos los que no esten agradecidos son unos putos hijos de mierda. Lo haces de a grapas y te cagan el palo por dejar el proyecto, te entiendo. Gracias por todo.

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Name: Lovegun Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (23:34)
Subject: GAYVEE
From: 200.176.12.156
NOW LISTEN. IM NOT JEALOUS. IM NOT A LAMER. IM NOT STUPID ENOUGH TO GET HERE AND TALK SHIT ABOUT ANYONE. BUT I'VE NEVER SEEN SO MUCH STUPID-ASS GUY LIKE THIS ONE, TO TAKE ON A PROJECT FOR MONTHS AND STOP. I'VE GOT MY OWN EMULATOR AT HOME, ONLY FOR PERSONAL USE. SO FUCK YOU ALL AND REMEMBER: FREE THINGS GOES FOR FREE LAMER-POP-GROWTH.

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Name: Rafael Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (23:23)
Subject: You are totally right!
From: 200.188.61.241
Your decision to stop development of FB is totally understandable....I mean people calling you Nazi! What the fuck is that?? You wasted hours,days,months development an emulator and some stupid people just can't wait a upgrade...must be 3 minutes after CPS2shock! God... it's stupid... I'm happy you are in MAMEDEV team..that way your emulation skills won't dissapear....

Anyway Dave,god luck in your future projects with or without having anything related to emulation....

FB - It was good while it lasted (PS:Still today is the best CPS2 emulator....and After Burner ROX too. :) )

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Name: Technobeast Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (22:46)
Subject: From Brazil
From: 200.188.59.137
Dave,o que esquenta a cabeça é palito de fósforo!(whats burn your own head is a match). Continue com o "Final Burn" enquanto você estiver vivo,porque depois de morto ninguém mais o fará!(Continue with the "final Burn" at the time you are still alive,because when you are turned to dust no one can able to do this!
Thanks! Sega-cps god!
My inglish language...

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Name: skid Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (21:31)
Subject: To Dave
From: 203.164.3.179
Dave, your decision to stop developing FinalBurn is respected.

I hope to play Powerdrift and ThunderBlade with even better gfx emulation on MAMEW one day.

To Jose,
Like Prophet, I am sincerely grateful that you brought EmuViews back as I get more enjoyment out of reading your Rumor Mills than I do playing FinalBurn.

Thank you

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 Name: Poo Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (22:51)
Subject: Re: To Dave
From: 203.134.40.176
Dave did it for free.
In the end it does not matter why he quit or any other reason.
He did it for a hobby and it's his emulator so really no one can complain.
Remember we all got something for nothing (daves hobby and generosity to share)

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Name: tobasoft Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (20:56)
Subject: El Semi
From: 152.163.207.212
I'll say one thing, nebula is a great piece of work that has some room to improve, there are no shortages of people who complain and make suggestions regarding this. I have seen two ways El Semi handles this, one, he listens to his fans and actually implements changes (gasp!) or, he ignores flames and lame folks. It would appear he is a bigger man and can rise above critique. So before anyone makes excuses for dayvee the weenie, remember, when you put yourself out there, be prepared - I know of plenty of musicians who make no money, get panned by the critics, but still put out records because they love what they do.

So if you cant hang dayvee - "Go home and be a family man!"

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 Name: skid Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (21:21)
Subject: Re: El Semi
From: 203.164.3.179
>suggestions regarding this. I have seen two ways El Semi handles this, one, he listens to his fans and actually implements changes (gasp!) or, he ignores flames and lame folks. It would appear he is a bigger man and can rise above critique.

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Although that pretty much sums up my opinion as well, it would probably be better placed in the final burnout discussion.



>So if you cant hang dayvee - "Go home and be a family man!"
>

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hahah- classic street fighter.


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Name: mattjack4x4 Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (20:37)
Subject: Final Burn and MAME
From: 64.123.58.250
I would just like to say that Dave you and MAME ROCK THE HOUSE. You guys have done so much for the community and look what you get: A TRUCK FULL OF CRAP!!! Don't let the queer lamers get to you man. Like my dad always says "DO WHAT YOU GOTTA DO"

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Name: Tel'Arin Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (20:20)
Subject: Lamer's mother is always pregnant... ;)
From: 151.26.35.60
Hi Dave!

Thank you about all work done with finalburn, a really fine piece of code, fast and small. A true jewel!

I agree with your decision to stop finalburn development due to lamers & co. People have to learn repect and don't flame other's work.

If someone is so kind to work for you for free I think you have to say atleast THANKS to him.

And you all lamers ALWAYS remember: If Finalburn isn't developped anymore, it's YOUR fault and not Dave's one.

Personally I hope to see atleast one update for this great emulator:

I hope to see an external game drivers architecture like the one used in nebula. So we can add games manually and without importuning Dave.

This guy did so much for all of us, and what he got in return? Flames!

What a wonderfull world is this!

One only advice my friend:

Consider ALWAYS WHO is talking and then answer him.

Lamer's don't need answers to their questions/requests, coz they can't understand, they aren't smart and are able just to shot shit everywhere.

So? Don't waste your time and health taking care of them. Lamers always destroy themselves with their own hands! ;)

I wish you all the best for the future!!!

Farewell for now! ;)

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Name: MickoZ Posted: Monday, May 21, 2001 - (17:13)
Subject: Re: Lamer's mother is always pregnant... ;)
From: ppp96.smartnet.ca
>And you all lamers ALWAYS remember: If Finalburn isn't developped anymore, it's YOUR fault and not Dave's one.

Ok, I find it funny that someone who has some kind of power can say I blame lamer for the discontinution of the emulator. I don't encourage those lamers bitchin' him, but I think if someone is smart, yes it cans hurt to heard a lot of people bitch your work, but he is surely aware that a lot of people liked his work.

What I am trying to say is that, if he really stop his project, it is HIMSELF that choose it. Maybe his project was not really important if he really stop. But in other hand, I think he only want to NOT DEAL with the public pressure and stuff, since he will continue to develop for MAME and stuff and will get less output from the public. Maybe that will just help him to make his contribution with ease without having a full mailbox.

But I know that some people say "I blame lamer" for fun, or like some people just to get favor (indirect or indirectly), like you cry and you get people to be kind to you, I laught at that. However, I can't talk, I don't know the guy and nor do I have followed the FinalBurn saga so much... I just heard about it when it was dead and a little when it was in development as I was not really monitoring "the scene" actively back in time. But something I know is that if you stop a project it is 100% your decision... especially if it is only critic you have, if you are proud of your work, you do it at your eaze and if people are not happy but you learn to live with it, after all it is YOUR PROJECT, not THEIR PROJECT. If you are not strong enough to support that I guess your project was not as important, or in Dave's case, like I said earlier, maybe he just want to develop thing for the community without to have to deal with those emails...

That was my two or three cents... ;-P

- MickoZ

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Name: Alex Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (20:06)
Subject: Too bad
From: 134.220.2.2
Well I suppose there is also a bit of jealousy going on, you're really good at emulation and it probably don't please everybody I assume. It's weird because there is no money involved as you said. Lamers what is that ?? a race of people who please themselves by insulting other people, breeding a generation of useless surfers. I believe there are a bit frustated maybe they should stop fucking flies and start to do some work by themselves. You know Dave even if the Internet is great, it is in no way different than real life, you can't keep your self apart from ignorant people, thick stupid idiots ...
It's really easy to insult through the net and so pathetic. Hey you ain't got any balls people or what ???
Too bad you stopped final burn I really enjoyed, very stable and fast.
Good luck for you next projects.

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Name: D@Z Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (19:59)
Subject: finalburn
From: 62.252.224.5
This is FREE.Dave did it for FREE.You get it for FREE.You download it for FREE.You have it on your pc for FREE.Your FREE to commment,but be fair,to complain for somethink your getting for FREE,you are affecting the future so butt out.

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 Name: Posted: Sunday, May 13, 2001 - (7:46)
Subject: Re: finalburn
From: 213.122.141.178

Cut this FREE crap, I'm complaining about Gayve not his emulator!

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Name: mitzy Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (19:40)
Subject: nice interview..
From: 24.27.79.19
Ignore those lamers dave. Thanks for all the hard work you have done.

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Name: SMac Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (19:11)
Subject: Why?
From: 152.163.194.181
I am really puzzled as to why you 'lamers' persist in harassing emulator authors such as Dave.

To all the 'lamers', what is your motivation behind your actions?

If you can't give a serious and genuine answer, I suggest you should think about what you are doing.

If you feel you have an acceptable reason for your obscenities, please reveal your true identity along with your age and your achievements. If you refuse to do so, it is you who are truly the "wimp", "idiot" and "loser" of this situation.

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 Name: Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (21:25)
Subject: Re: Why?
From: 203.164.3.179
>Take the break, it's well deserved, and look at your project again in six months, or even a year. Then I ask you to reconsider, based on that time,

----------------------
In six months to a year, Dave will not understand his own code. Tell me I'm wrong!

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 Name: Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (21:26)
Subject: Re: Re: Why?
From: 203.164.3.179
>>Take the break, it's well deserved, and look at your project again in six months, or even a year. Then I ask you to reconsider, based on that time,
>
>----------------------
>In six months to a year, Dave will not understand his own code. Tell me I'm wrong!
>
>

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Erm.. there seems to be a bug in the reply code, guys.

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Name: Ice Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (19:01)
Subject: This is great!
From: 213.122.113.60
Who needed the Message Board at EV?! This comments section is its own messageboard!

So it seems that like him or loathe him, no-one can ignore Dave. If he went away who would all the "Dave haters" go on to next? I'll bet it'd be the next emulation author that took offence at people hacking his emu/using it in a way unintended by the author.

I'll admit that Dave cancelling CPS2 the first time as a leverage tool against people modifying his emu was a bit of a strong action to take, but any action was within his rights. Ideally he should have covered the project with a User License that made it illegal to hack/develop his emu in any way.

I've used this analogy before: Ubisoft released F1 Racing Championship for PC earlier this year. It featured the 1999 Formula 1 season. Fans of the game started making add-ons and new car-sets for the current season. Ubisoft went around telling websites to remove this content or face legal action since it would lose them sales of future games. The fans complained.

The above story is a similar case of original authors not liking what the public did to their product. Yes the public complained but it was in Ubisoft's right to demand them to stop making add-ons. The FIA who sold them the F1 license could have sued Ubisoft if they didn't take action.

Similarly if Dave hadn't taken action and if recent CPS2 games got decrypted then you could have seen unofficial hacks of Final Burn supporting them with Capcom blaming Dave and suing him for lost sales. That cannot afford to happen.

If you had written any software and had put it online free to download then found people hacking it to do things you hadn't intended then you'd be cross too. If those people then called you names like "Nazi" when you said you'd stop working on the program you wouldn't exactly be motivated to carry on working on your FREE program would you?

Ice

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Name: CAPCOM FANATIC Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (18:53)
Subject: God Bless Dave
From: 64.152.167.196
God Bless Dave!! God Bless Dave!! Thank you Dave for developing the world's first CPS2 emulator! Thanks to these jackasses who harassed him over and over again with e-mail, now die hare capcom fans such as myself can't experience the joy of more cps2 games through Final Burn. Yeah I know that mame is going to take over with cps2 emulation but I loved the format of the Final Burn emulator. I hope each and everyone of you whining bitches who harassed Dave get cancer, get AIDS, get hit by a speeding truck, get caught in a drive by shooting, whatever just as long as your deaths are as slow and painful as possible and you rot in hell along with your mothers who shitted you out!!! Dave your enemies are my enemies!! God bless you!!

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Name: Naniyue Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (18:26)
Subject: Emulation is supposed to be fun!
From: 4.4.55.48
People need to just have fun with emulation and not bug emu programmers so much. They do this because they want to, not to fulfill the desires of every self centered lamer out there.
Just have patience, make polite requests on occasion, and especially COMPLIMENT an emu programmer you think is doing a good job. We all need recognition once in a while.

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 Name: Other Emu Author Posted: Sunday, May 13, 2001 - (4:42)
Subject: Re: Emulation is supposed to be fun!
From: 206.152.135.42
> People need to just have fun with emulation and not bug emu programmers so much. They do this because they want to, not to fulfill the desires of every self centered lamer out there.
I agree, mostly.

> Just have patience, make polite requests on occasion, and especially COMPLIMENT an emu programmer you think is doing a good job. We all need recognition once in a while.
>

Except when they decide to 'Leave he scene'.
Why? Look how many people have complimented Dave to date.

You can compliment an EMU author out the wazzu, but if he decides to IGNORE his FANS and only listen to the lamers and whiners, then what good does it do? If he decided to take it personal, that only whiners are the ones to listen to, then it does no good to continue the compliments.

Don't get me wrong, I suggest you compliment authors as much as possible. But, if they decide to ignore the ratio of good vs bad and just bow to the bad by pulling the "i quit" scenario, then what good is it? The author has already made his decision that you, as a satisfied fan, are not worth the hassle.

And before you write me off as another whiner, consider the fact that I have written an EMU and I still support it.

Dave's mistake was to publish his personal email and then get bogged down in listening only to the whiners. The trick, as many of us current EMU authors have done, is to keep some animosity.
Create a hotmail or yahoo account for generic email purposes, but do not let your Hobby interfere with your personal life. If I decide not to be bothered for the week, I just don't check my yahoo or hotmail accounts. It's as simple as that.

I like FInal Burn and feel that Dave did a great job with it, he could also have done much more as time progressed. But he let it get personal and then decided to end the project instantly, instead of fading out and passing his code to the public (which I think all emulation code should be IMHO.)But that is his choice.
He has made his choice, incorrrectly to some of us, but in the end it is his choice.
We should leave it at that.

But continuing to compliment him in an effort to
try and cajole him into creating another release is just weak, and you know he has to see it as such.

Good day,
-Another EMU Author

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Name: X Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (17:54)
Subject:
From: 166.102.66.63
You know, right now other future emulator authors
are reading this and thinking "I was thinking about
coding a emulator, but screw this! Why would I go
to such trouble just to get treated like this"
Way to go lamers! Within 6 months from now, the
new emulators comming out will have virtually stopped
as anyone with the skills to make an emulator either
gives up on the idea, or never releases it in the
first place. I have thought for years about doing
an emulator of some type. I've been programming since
86'. I may end up doing one for my personal use and
I'd never release it to subject myself to this crap.
I know other programmers that feel the same way.
Emulation will die out within the next year if we
can't figure a way to filter out the lamers (i.e.
anyone in the 14-21 year old age bracket)...They are
all the same. Spoiled little brats living at home,
with parents that do everything but wipe their ass.
These lamers expect everything they want to be handed
to them for free & they expect authors of these
emulators to fold in and do their bidding just like
mom and dad do. There needs to be someone working
full time at sites like this that instantly deletes
their messages as soon as they post them. When they
lose their voice, they will get bored and move on to
something else, like flaming the cartoon network. :-)

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 Name: Supafly Posted: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 - (18:10)
Subject: Re:
From: 196.25.109.30
How old are you ? 21 and a half ?

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 Name: Another EMu Author Posted: Sunday, May 13, 2001 - (4:54)
Subject: Re:
From: 206.152.135.42
Wrong.
A person will write an Emulator if he wants to (and has the brains to do so, usually).

He will not allow lamers to stiffle his creativity. He will find the critisizm a challenge to write something that will make these lamers go , "Dam, that is good". He will also use his intelligence to shield himself from the morons and lamers instead of inviting them into his 'home'.

Also, your 'ASSumption' that all 14-21 year olds are the lamers is completely ludicrous. Lamers exist in ALL age groups and can not be sorted out using age as a criteria.

Good Day.


>You know, right now other future emulator authors
7>are reading this and thinking "I was thinking about
>coding a emulator, but screw this! Why would I go
>to such trouble just to get treated like this"
>Way to go lamers! Within 6 months from now, the
>new emulators comming out will have virtually stopped
>as anyone with the skills to make an emulator either
>gives up on the idea, or never releases it in the
>first place. I have thought for years about doing
>an emulator of some type. I've been programming since
>86'. I may end up doing one for my personal use and
>I'd never release it to subject myself to this crap.
>I know other programmers that feel the same way.
>Emulation will die out within the next year if we
>can't figure a way to filter out the lamers (i.e.
>anyone in the 14-21 year old age bracket)...They are
>all the same. Spoiled little brats living at home,
>with parents that do everything but wipe their ass.
>These lamers expect everything they want to be handed
>to them for free & they expect authors of these
>emulators to fold in and do their bidding just like
>mom and dad do. There needs to be someone working
>full time at sites like this that instantly deletes
>their messages as soon as they post them. When they
>lose their voice, they will get bored and move on to
>something else, like flaming the cartoon network. :-)
>

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 Name: WarriorOfIce Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (20:49)
Subject: Re:
From: 209.187.170.189
>You know, right now other future emulator authors
>are reading this and thinking "I was thinking about
>coding a emulator, but screw this! Why would I go
>to such trouble just to get treated like this"
>Way to go lamers! Within 6 months from now, the
>new emulators comming out will have virtually stopped
>as anyone with the skills to make an emulator either
>gives up on the idea, or never releases it in the
>first place. I have thought for years about doing
>an emulator of some type. I've been programming since
>86'. I may end up doing one for my personal use and
>I'd never release it to subject myself to this crap.
>I know other programmers that feel the same way.
>Emulation will die out within the next year if we
>can't figure a way to filter out the lamers (i.e.
>anyone in the 14-21 year old age bracket)...They are
>all the same. Spoiled little brats living at home,
>with parents that do everything but wipe their ass.
>These lamers expect everything they want to be handed
>to them for free & they expect authors of these
>emulators to fold in and do their bidding just like
>mom and dad do. There needs to be someone working
>full time at sites like this that instantly deletes
>their messages as soon as they post them. When they
>lose their voice, they will get bored and move on to
>something else, like flaming the cartoon network. :-)
Hey I'm 16 and I understand that Dave and other emu authors put their hard work into the project and the least they deserve is respect. So don't go around saying anyone under 21 is an imature lamer.

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 Name: Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (22:53)
Subject: Re: Re: Re:
From: 139.80.123.34
>Dave Hater i agree with you a 100%. And everyone who wants to release some emu or stuff should understand in the first place that people (lamers) gona send "hate mails" and post stupid mesages and all this crap. And if you don't you an idiot that live in fantasy world
>
So what you are saying is that programmers are just a bunch of fucking idiots who deserve these craps huh? You are just one fucking dumb ass who has no idea and has to follow others. If you really think programmers deserve the shits, stop using any emulators, they are not for you fucked-up lamers.

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 Name: books-balloon Posted: Monday, September 27, 2004 - (2:17)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re:
From: 66.98.226.51
balloon books

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 Name: link- Posted: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - (8:23)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re:
From: 66.98.226.51
link

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 Name: An EMu Author Posted: Sunday, May 13, 2001 - (5:13)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re:
From: 206.152.135.42
>>Dave Hater i agree with you a 100%. And everyone who wants to release some emu or stuff should understand in the first place that people (lamers) gona send "hate mails" and post stupid mesages and all this crap. And if you don't you an idiot that live in fantasy world
>>
>So what you are saying is that programmers are just a bunch of fucking idiots who deserve these craps huh? You are just one fucking dumb ass who has no idea and has to follow others. If you really think programmers deserve the shits, stop using any emulators, they are not for you fucked-up lamers.
>

NO.
What he is saying is that EMU Authors have to expect that there are IDIOTS and lamers out there that WILL criticize their work!

Unfortunately it is not a perfect world and therefore such people exist. What is also being said is, that if you think you will NOT be criticized, then you are NAIVE and will end up getting (angered?) (disturbed?)(hurt?) by such folks (as Dave did apparently.?).

I am sure that Nichola, Zoop, and many others have recieved the same amount of criticism or worse, but they are still developing their Emulators. The difference, I suspect, is that they are able to keep their private life separate from their Hobby.
They (like myself) can keep the proper perspective and can ignore the Hobby when they don't feel like being bothered with it.

Good Day.

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 Name: babe-italian Posted: Monday, September 27, 2004 - (2:17)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
From: 66.98.226.51
babe italian

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 Name: link- Posted: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - (8:23)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
From: 66.98.226.51
link

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 Name: Paulisse Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (19:12)
Subject: No fantasy world, "normal" world
From: 193.252.214.182
YOU are the guys who make the world dirty. Aren't you ever fed up with your own "bassesse"?

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Name: Renaud B. Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (17:46)
Subject: Lamers...
From: 164.138.214.205
Just about a word from France...With bad grammar...

I'm a 24y old young man, connectec from 1994. Photographer

Just to say that i'm surfing from years, but before 1998 I was relatively interested in newsgroup and forums where I was contributing regularly...
Since 1998 the PublicMarket offers to many the Net At Home and somany many people with no sense of ethic, valors or "reconnaissance" ( recongnisation?)
but with that grownup of "I think" NetGeneration (8-16 and now more...), I cease to act!

Now I'm not login with a Nick, signing with my real identity and want to support Dave in everthing he could do !

I personnaly claim my wish for someone who makes the world of Coding in general go up!

And personnaly claim to the people who fell concerned that if certains things CAN be acquired...Others are far away from your intellect...

And those things keep the word Humanity.

Bye Dave.








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 Name: Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (17:49)
Subject: Re: Lamers...
From: 216.104.228.154
OK so we have Dave Lovers, Dave Haters aand now Nut Cases

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 Name: P Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (17:58)
Subject: I think that's what...
From: 193.252.214.182
Renaud intended to tell us: there are certain people who will never understand anything to life: you belong to this category...

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Name: DaveHater Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (17:38)
Subject: Dave Loving
From: 216.104.228.146
What is it with you Dave lovers ? How much does he pay you ? Here's some facts:

1, He is not a god
2, He's a cry baby
3, He likes to bitch
4, Loves reading about himself
5, Likes reading about people telling him about how great he is.

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 Name: Rab Posted: Friday, June 22, 2001 - (22:10)
Subject: Re: Dave Loving
From: host62-7-18-238.btinternet.com
>What is it with you Dave lovers ? How much does he pay you ? Here's some facts:
>
>1, He is not a god
>2, He's a cry baby
>3, He likes to bitch
>4, Loves reading about himself
>5, Likes reading about people telling him about how great he is.
>
YAWN....Fuck off prick
>

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 Name: A1X Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (18:52)
Subject: Re: Dave Loving
From: 212.179.232.59
You right again :)

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 Name: EmuFanBen Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (18:27)
Subject: Re: Dave Loving
From: 24.183.83.139
>What is it with you Dave lovers ? How much does he pay you ? Here's some facts:
>
>1, He is not a god

He's also not the devil. Get off his back.

>2, He's a cry baby

Only from your perspective.

>3, He likes to bitch

He has reason to bitch.

>4, Loves reading about himself

Don't we all?

>5, Likes reading about people telling him about how great he is.

Who, in their right mind, doesn't like praise? This is not a fault...it's human nature...


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 Name: jeremy Posted: Thursday, August 16, 2001 - (3:45)
Subject: Re: Re: Dave Loving
From: proxy2-external.stcla1.sfba.home.com
>>What is it with you Dave lovers ? How much does he pay you ? Here's some facts:
>>
>>1, He is not a god
>
> He's also not the devil. Get off his back.
>
>>2, He's a cry baby
>
> Only from your perspective.
>
>>3, He likes to bitch
>
> He has reason to bitch.
>
>>4, Loves reading about himself
>
> Don't we all?
>
>>5, Likes reading about people telling him about how great he is.
>
> Who, in their right mind, doesn't like praise? This is not a fault...it's human nature...
>
>
>


Hey now this guy is VERY right, all you liitle idiots just shut the fuck up,god..

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 Name: Paulisse Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (17:42)
Subject: And you, little asshole,
From: 193.252.214.182
you only exist by pucking on the others...

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 Name: Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (17:47)
Subject: Re: And you, little asshole,
From: 216.104.228.158
>you only exist by pucking on the others...
>

that's a real clever thing to say Dave Lover!

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Name: Paulisse Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (18:03)
Subject: I agree it's not,
From: 193.252.214.182
but what do you suggest to deal with people biting the hand which feeds them?

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Name: polla Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (17:16)
Subject: pathetic...
From: 62.82.9.11
no comments...

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Name: Sokurah Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (16:41)
Subject: just a small rant....
From: 213.237.43.191
Damn, it's taken me an hour to read through all the above comments but I know something now that I didn't know before though. I had NO IDEA that the problem with lamers was SO big! I guess it's because I always read the (emu)news but almost never the message boards. All "our" good emu sites should go to "private" servers to make it easier for all lamers to be excluded on an IP basis. That would make the emu-world a better place for those us who appreciates the technical side of emulation and just loves to play the games we used to play when we were young (I'm 33) - that's games from before 1988 for you who can't do the math. Alright so I'm "old", but I can safely say that I don't care for the "live" games except for the technical aspect of it. Also, all the games I have ever wanted to play at home has already been emulated, so if emulation development "suddenly disappeared" we would still have everything that's been made so far. Remember this people : appreciate what you have, what you will get and appreciate that it's been for free AND STOP BITCHING FOR CHRISTS SAKE!! (I just don't know what makes a lamer tick).
As for Dave - you're a great guy and you are one of those people who will be remembered for REALLY having contributed to the emu-scene. THANK YOU! ...but do we need you?.. HELL YES!! ...and here's why:
About a week before Finalburn came out I had a discussion with a friend (we didn't know about FB at the time but my friend has since admitted he was wrong)- he meant that because we had MAME we didn't need any other "single game" emus. I told him he was wrong because MAME may emulate a bunch of games but unfortunately it's not very fast (well actually it's fast enough for the games I want to play, but that's not where I'm going.. :-) ) and there's ALWAYS room for a dedicated emulator that is fast. And then FB came out and proved my point. :-) It's great (and Dave is an equally great guy for sharing his hard work with the rest of MAMEdev).
So what will Dave do now? He said : "MAMEdev only - all work I do will go into MAME" Cool, that'll help MAME get even better. I don't think that he'll be able to resist developing something on the side though and he may surprise us again someday in the future....even if it's a year from now. But if he stands by he's statement that's cool too, but the so called "scene" needs these kinds of persons who can inject innovation, life (and speed) ;) into "our" old games.
I really should stop now - I'm only saying the same things that's been said A LOT of times before, so I'll stop in a minute, but I have to say something else while I'm at it (and will have written so much I never need to write anything to a messageboard again) ;)

THANK YOU to ALL people involved in emulation - dumpers, emu-authors, utility makers, website maintainers and all the rest that I've forgotten. You've made my life a lot richer. I love you (ahh, that's not in the biblical sense though) ;-)
I also hope you know that there's a hundred people who appreciates your work like me for every lamer out there, so that should (hopefully) make it worthwhile.

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 Name: Rickey Camp Posted: Sunday, May 13, 2001 - (11:44)
Subject: Wouldn't you like to be a lamer too!
From: 216.106.47.77

>I'm 38 years old and have been playing video games since there were video games.I've read a lot of these posts and have to say that we are all unique and different,coming from diffferent backgrounds and knowing (or not knowing ) different things.My gifts are not in assembing or decrypting code,but I do like art.Maybe I'm considered a lamer.Thats fine,I can live with that.The point is that even with no knowledge of what these emulator developers go through,I can see that this is an art,and Dave lovingly made this by hand and spirit.
Dave-I know you've done a good thing,and so do a lot of other "lamers".You'll always be faced with critics who say things need to be added,or that they can do a better job.Just keep doing what you love.
And not just for Dave--
For all of you artists out there.
JUST DO WHAT YOU LOVE!

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Name: matt Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (16:09)
Subject: final burn
From: 195.92.194.12
hi,
i just can,t belive some people,s nerve, to write in and bitch about all the hard work all of you guy,s put in to your chosen emulators, and site,s like this one. Everything on here is free, it must of taken an age to put togther and lots of deadication. On there behalf and i would like to send out a message of thanks,to all of them and to let them them know they are appreciated by a big tribe of fans.

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Name: Proman Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (16:01)
Subject: FB
From: 209.246.75.200
Anyone that has wasted their time with insults or criticizm has to look at themselves. Dave ADDED to the scene. You have not. And despite what you all think, none of us care about your opinions - in fact, stupidity like yours is so commonplace that it barely gets noticed.

Until thousands of you do it. Which is how Dave got overwhelmed.

Hopefully one day, someone will construct a way to advance things in the emulation scene to make it lamer-proof.

Good luck Dave, and thanks for all the work you did do.

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Name: LittleNeo Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (14:12)
Subject: Just Thank You, Dave...
From: 205.188.199.212
To You and all the emu authors who give a lot of their free time for our pleasure only, and FOR FREE, I want to send very big thanks (Especially to Anders and Janne Too) and it'sjust a shame some peoples are so stupid to flame and sucks...

Good luck...

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Name: Ice Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (13:51)
Subject: turning the clock back!
From: 213.122.31.173
check this from the emulationzone.org archives (as someone mentioned below):

===============
7) Do you have any plans on a new project once DGen is finished?

Not really. I was going to have a go at an After Burner emu even though I
wouldn't stand much of a chance of getting anywhere (I just love the game)!
But... as soon as I have a go at an emu, the MAME team 'maim' it within
months anyway! So I figure, if the MAME team are reading this, they could
just release a perfect After Burner emu now and save me 6 months ;)
Just kidding guys! I think I'll leave After Burner for someone else to
emulate - I wait with baited breath...
================

kinda takes you back to a different era! Without Dave MAME WOULDN'T have emulated Afterburner (well maybe not for a while anyway). Kudos Dave.

Full old interview here: http://www.emulationzone.org/wemu/interviews/dave.htm

Ice

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Name: Gayvee Besmircher Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (13:17)
Subject: I besmirch the one known as Gayvee
From: 198.142.147.189
Gayvee is a whining bitch plain and simple. In reality he is a socially inept snivelling acne riddled bespectacled turd. He cannot gain any semblance of praise nor recognition in his daily existance. Therefore he expects a bunch of gaming kiddies and pirates to praise his every move online. When that does not happen poor Gayvee gets upset. I rate him somewhere between the lint in your belly button and the white shit that accumulates in the side of your lips when you're really thirsty. In other words, he's a absolute total fucking waste of space.

Prick.

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 Name: Llamaboy Posted: Sunday, May 13, 2001 - (1:23)
Subject: Re: I besmirch the one known as Gayvee
From: 4.4.104.131
>Gayvee is a whining bitch plain and simple. In reality he is a socially inept snivelling acne riddled bespectacled turd. He cannot gain any semblance of praise nor recognition in his daily existance. Therefore he expects a bunch of gaming kiddies and pirates to praise his every move online. When that does not happen poor Gayvee gets upset. I rate him somewhere between the lint in your belly button and the white shit that accumulates in the side of your lips when you're really thirsty. In other words, he's a absolute total fucking waste of space.
>
>Prick.
>
>Gayvee? That was a good one. Speaking of "absolute total fucking waste"s, have you looked in a mirror lately? Oh, nevermind. All of the FREE emulators you've writen are SO much better than Final Burn. Asshole.

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 Name: Gazza Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (22:37)
Subject: Re: I besmirch the one known as Gayvee
From: 194.46.8.23
Just a wild stab in the Dark, but I bet you have never slept with a girl. Your sad world involves greasy hair, no baths, dressing up in your mums clothes. Do us all a favour and go and burn yourself you little fuck. what happened mummys little boy got beaten up at school, mummy doesnt love you enough?

PS You wouldn't be a stalker by any chance, admiring girls from a distance, peeping tom, physco?, I just guessing his from your weird mentality.

I'm an emulator enthusiast and a physcologist, and your little mind is disturbing.

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 Name: Rab Posted: Friday, June 22, 2001 - (22:20)
Subject: Re: Re: I besmirch the one known as Gayvee
From: host62-7-18-238.btinternet.com
>Just a wild stab in the Dark, but I bet you have never slept with a girl. Your sad world involves greasy hair, no baths, dressing up in your mums clothes. Do us all a favour and go and burn yourself you little fuck. what happened mummys little boy got beaten up at school, mummy doesnt love you enough?
>My god gazza, you are totally fucked up. What happened to you ? Was it all those fucks daddy used to give you up the ass when mummy was at bingo
>PS You wouldn't be a stalker by any chance, admiring girls from a distance, peeping tom, physco?, I just guessing his from your weird mentality.
>
>I'm an emulator enthusiast and a physcologist, and your little mind is disturbing.
>

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 Name: Dustin Posted: Sunday, May 13, 2001 - (0:08)
Subject: Re: Re: I besmirch the one known as Gayvee
From: 24.182.177.139
Do you see how you are exactly like the person you are trying to insult?

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 Name: Brent Small Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (13:42)
Subject: Re: I besmirch the one known as Gayvee
From: 213.123.121.231
>Gayvee is a whining bitch plain and simple. I rate him somewhere between the lint in your belly button and the white shit that accumulates in the side of your lips when you're really thirsty. In other words, he's a absolute total fucking waste of space.
>
>Prick.

Yeah, and you used his emulator and didn't 'whine' about it. Basically that makes you a complete idiot who didn't like his little toy taken away so wants to play the spoilt child.

Clear off back to the pram son.

Gayvee..LOL..I'll bet you are an AOL customer..

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 Name: jus'joshin' Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (13:32)
Subject: Re: I besmirch the one known as Gayvee
From: 64.210.241.103
I agree with this post. It sounds good. It's also good to copy now and save it for flamers in the future.

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 Name: gingerboy Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (13:21)
Subject: Re: I besmirch the one known as Gayvee
From: 195.92.194.12
Thank you, very constructive. Ever thought of politics!

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Name: SMac Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (13:14)
Subject: NAZI?
From: 64.12.102.42
How can Dave be a NAZI?

Did the Nazi’s go around making FREE emulators for people to play games on?

Does Dave have a huge back garden, which he sends Jewish people into, forcing them into the TORCHUREOUS world of playing great games for free?

Either I completely failed History class or these so-called 'lamers' are nothing more than 8 year-old children with a seriously deranged sense of humour.

To any 'lamer' over the age of 8, I pity you. I suggest seeking medical help before you end up committing suicide because of your pathetic existence.

Good luck to Dave in whatever he does.

Also, to any emulator authors out there, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK! Don't let the bastards grind you down.

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 Name: Dustin Posted: Sunday, May 13, 2001 - (0:09)
Subject: Re: NAZI?
From: 24.182.177.139
I can't believe that anyone took the whole Nazi accusation so seriously. The person that labeled him probably didn't. Rediculous


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 Name: MALL1M Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (15:08)
Subject: Re: NAZI?
From: 205.188.193.154
I agree with everything
stupid lamers ,if you don't agree with an author emulator why don't you make your own ?
what have you done in your life that allow you to criticize the others ?

and excuse my english after all i might be a nazi too

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 Name: lio Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (14:02)
Subject: Re: NAZI?
From: 149.225.136.35
>How can Dave be a NAZI?
i guess someone just was pretty good at stereotyping...i´m german myself and have to face that nazi-prejudice pretty often - very sad there are still people thinking that way...

>...'lamers' are nothing more than 8 year-old children with a seriously deranged sense of humour.

well, i bet you are right here because no "grown-up" would even bother to complain about something that is free and something that doesn´t really affect one´s life - ok, sure...emulation is more important than sleep and food and therefore complaining and bitching about emus is really necessary and helping out...and how in the world could a emu author know which games he should support in the next (free) release without all those nice lamers telling him ?!

>Good luck to Dave in whatever he does.

absolutely

> Also, to any emulator authors out there, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK! Don't let the bastards grind you down.
>
i perfectly agree ;)

excuse my english...after all i´m just a another german nazi who never wanted to learn a language other than german...
bye
lio

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Name: Mickey_Moose Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (13:07)
Subject: Final Burn
From: 24.79.169.204
great work Dave - would have like to have seen continued work on this emulator (not necessary the CPS2 games) - it is faster than that so called other one, it's a shame that lamers out there always 'kill' the fast emulators out there just because they don't support all the 'newest' releases or the numbers that another one does.

Lamers >> code it yourself...if you can't code and it sucks, don't use it - if it still sucks becuase 'not perfect' - go and buy the fucking game...that is the ONLY way it will be 100% perfect (original controls, speed, cabnet, etc). Some people just live to bitch and do nothing about it, remember nothing gets done till you do it yourself...

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 Name: Burner Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (13:15)
Subject: Re: Final Burn
From: 213.122.108.229
Exactly!

Great work Dave!

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Name: The Judge Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (13:03)
Subject: Online Poll
From: 213.122.108.229
I suggest that an online poll is setup either on this site or another emulation site.

Let's see how many people actually use and like the emulator (regardless of ANY comments that Dave made)

The Judge.

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Name: EDGAR Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (12:52)
Subject: thanks for an awsome emu.
From: 159.115.212.116
Good luck in all you do. Kinda sucks when a mean hored of lamers come at you at 100 mph, it ruins it for those that wait in the quiet corner and accept everything that is given to us for free. Thanks again, good luck in all you do. I will be looking forward into your work in MAME.

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 Name: haley Posted: Sunday, September 12, 2004 - (10:01)
Subject: Re: thanks for an awsome emu.
From: phi-dr-iqx2-30.dial.airstreamcomm.net
>Good luck in all you do. Kinda sucks when a mean hored of lamers come at you at 100 mph, it ruins it for those that wait in the quiet corner and accept everything that is given to us for free. Thanks again, good luck in all you do. I will be looking forward into your work in MAME.
>

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Name: Daniel Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (12:50)
Subject: I dont get it
From: 24.4.252.129
I don't understand the hostility towards emulation authors. I just bewilders me. If you don't like their work, do not use it? If you like it, appreciate the free gesture?

Final Burn is fantastic, IMO

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 Name: Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (13:11)
Subject: Re: I dont get it
From: 213.122.108.229
>I don't understand the hostility towards emulation authors. I just bewilders me. If you don't like their work, do not use it? If you like it, appreciate the free gesture?
>
>Final Burn is fantastic, IMO
>
They..

1) get kicks out of pissing people off!
2) have nothing better to do!
3) are jealous of daves skills!
4) do not understand how to program!
5) think that coding an emulator is easy!
6) are lamers!

Freedom of speech is fine, people have a right to say what they think, but the problem is that most of the people who have flamed dave do not have a geniune comment or have NOT read the FAQ and generally don't give a shit!

Lamers will reply to this, they can't resist it!

.com

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Name: SNK Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (12:45)
Subject: dayvee
From: 172.162.62.58
It will take a wile for everything to calm down but I would like to final burn come out again but I still have hope!!!!! As always dayvee has my repect!

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Name: Morpheus® Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (15:54)
Subject: Re: Vida longa e prospera
From: 200.176.162.118
Concordo com o q vc disse (sem usar frases de Star trek, heheh), apesar de ter tomado algumas atitudes q desagradaram a algumas pessoas (como eu), Dave eh um ótimo programador e seu emu eh o melhor jah feito para CPS2.
Para mim, o erro do Dave foi se deixar levar por comentários alheios e querer penalizar a todos por isso. Naum eh o primeiro com quem acontece isso, e nem serah o ultimo, mas isso vai de cada pessoa, posso discordar das atitudes dele, mas naum sou ninguém para recriminá-lo.
Boa sorte\, Dave

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 Name: Johnick Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (13:17)
Subject: Bah!
From: 194.145.133.180
>Write a bloody emulator yourself and see how much time and effort it really takes!

iam aware how much effort it takes and final burn is one of the best EMUs ive seen.dayvees programing ability is not in question its his attitude,and no matter how good/fast an emu you code it does not give you god like status,give you special privis,make you better then anybody else or give you the right to blame other people for your own actions.

>Once you have done this and released it to the public, then your comments will be taken seriously!

really,and what emu have you coded little boy?.
i guess if you code an emu your 3l33t and the rest of us are just l337s.
sob :(

>In tbe mean time go and find something else to play with.
>
>Dad.

i have,its called a penis.i suggest you get one :)

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 Name: Chris Millward Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (15:15)
Subject: Re: Bah!
From: 213.122.32.67
>iam aware how much effort it takes and final burn is one of the best EMUs ive seen.dayvees programing ability is not in question its his attitude,and no matter how good/fast an emu you code it does not give you god like status,give you special privis,make you better then anybody else or give you the right to blame other people for your own actions.
>
That is right, but what did Dave do that meant people should lame mail him? He released his email address! Simple as that!

>>Once you have done this and released it to the public, then your comments will be taken seriously!
>
>really,and what emu have you coded little boy?.
>i guess if you code an emu your 3l33t and the
Actually I coded CMNES (http://cmnes.vg-network.com) I am also coding another 6502 emulator in ASM at the moment.

>i have,its called a penis.i suggest you get one :)
>
You don't just have a penis. You are one.
:)

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 Name: Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (16:03)
Subject: Re: Re: Bah!
From: 194.165.172.218
>>iam aware how much effort it takes and final burn is one of the best EMUs ive seen.dayvees programing ability is not in question its his attitude,and no matter how good/fast an emu you code it does not give you god like status,give you special privis,make you better then anybody else or give you the right to blame other people for your own actions.
>>
>That is right, but what did Dave do that meant people should lame mail him? He released his email address! Simple as that!

i can only speak for myself when i say i never sent him any hate mail.dave let it get to him,pitty but he should have expected this.he has no right to blame ec when HE quit HIS emu.
>
>>>Once you have done this and released it to the public, then your comments will be taken seriously!
>>
>>really,and what emu have you coded little boy?.
>>i guess if you code an emu your 3l33t and the
>Actually I coded CMNES (http://cmnes.vg-network.com) I am also coding another 6502 emulator in ASM at the moment.

good for you :).btw,your still not 3l33t,godlike,better then anybody else or able to blame other people for your own actions.iam sure you know this and dont expect special treatment in the emu scene.as for dave............nuff said

>
>>i have,its called a penis.i suggest you get one :)
>>
>You don't just have a penis. You are one.
>:)
(sarcasm on)-oh no,that was deep(lol).;)

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 Name: Johnick Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (14:32)
Subject:
From: 194.165.173.79
BTW: I've been into emulation since the early 90's when Spectrum emulators were all that existed so I know how poorly the "scene" has become, kthnx.
>
>Ice

i remember c64 emus on the amiga in the early 90s
but those were hardly the days for the emu "scene".i prefer to see it as progress,but with alot more lamers :(

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Name: Xtian Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (9:00)
Subject: Source code...
From: 151.202.115.122
Jose,

I'm surprised you didn't ask Dave if he could provide Final Burn's source code now that it is discontinued.

Just because all the games it emulates are already in Mame's source is irrelevant btw.

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 Name: Obi Wan Celeri Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (14:13)
Subject: Re: Source code...
From: 24.200.144.180
>Jose,
>I'm surprised you didn't ask Dave if he could
> provide Final Burn's source code now that it is
> discontinued.

This has NOTHING to do with your demand (so don't take it personnal) but it does bring up an important point.

How many hours went into making this emulator? You'd think that with this amount of hard work, the author could at least have the right to release the source when he sees fit (assuming we agree on the fact that the source code belongs to the author, the same way a book or a song would).

Furthermore (and some people will no doubt flame me for this), notice how some people around here DEMAND stuff without ever saying "PLEASE" or "THANK YOU"? Some of them don't mean it but some of them DO. All of this has something to do with emu coders being pissed off, don't you think? And would'nt we all have a tough time diffenciating who's arrogant and who's being honest and friendly based on a few lines in a letter?

Thanks for participating,
Obi Wan Celeri

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Name: HaloMan Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (8:58)
Subject: What about the code?
From: 213.122.229.3
Have you considered releasing the code to the public domain (or the GNU license) and not developing on it, let people make a "Finalburn" team.

I very much doubt people would take your code without credit because, quite frankly, it would be obvious. Also, considering the code is already in MAME you might aswell. This way, all the complaining lamer's can try to "develop" it myself.

Thanks Dayvee for your emulator. It was a sad loss as nothing is as efficient as it at emulating CPS2 (MAME etc. doesn't work fast enough on my P333) and maybe one day you might consider updating it. Oh well, I can dream :D

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Name: Lokkee Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (8:49)
Subject: Dayvee
From: 212.198.0.91
Thanks Dayvee you did a great Emu
The first for Cps2 and in my point of view you realised the best...

Farewell to FinalBurn
And hope you more fun in your next activity


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Name: YaZ Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (8:21)
Subject: :-D
From: 213.123.119.137
Great interview Jose, glad you're site is still alive.

To dave: many thanx for being a good guy and donating to the emu community as much as you have. I only wish I had those skills with which to donate myself.

It seems the retrogames forums has a lot to answer for. I believe in free-speech but the lack of moderation on those boards was ludicrous, some really harsh and scary comments were blasted there and frankly I'm not surprised it had caused Dave to quit. Retrogames is a great site though, shame about the forums.

All the best


YaZ

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Name: fox Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (8:09)
Subject: Thank you
From: 200.11.94.182
thank you DAVE you are the best now and forever

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Name: SonicMarmalade Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (8:01)
Subject: FinalBurn
From: 172.149.189.140
Thanks for a fantastic emulator, and thanks for helping mame with their emulation. I can understand fully why dave has quit. After all, hes made an emulator all by himself, for no pay, and gets tons of crap from arseholes with nothing better to do. Do these people not realise that they are getting top-class capcom arcade games for free? Why does he have to owe anyone anything?? I say fuck em. If they want new cps2 games so badly, let em solve the emulation themselves instead of filling dave mailbox with hate mail.

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Name: Viper_Z Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (7:52)
Subject: Good things always go...
From: 200.210.229.225
One day i was dreaming in play again more old Sega Classics, like Turbo Out Run, Super Thunderblade, Super Monaco Gran Prix. Dave begins to suport CPS 2 in his emulator, and i was very happy playing that Capcom games. Now, that Capcom games killed my old dream...
But, it is (or was) a Dave´s hobby, and i won´t never think nothing bad about Dave. He doesn´t NEED to do nothing to me, i don´t pay nothing for him...
I just say "Thank You" Dave, for Afterburner 1, and 2, and Thunder Blade almost perfect working, and the CPS2 games...

C ya

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Name: Dave Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (7:05)
Subject: Final Burn Rules!
From: 213.1.79.209
I played afterburner for ages on final burn a while back, pity you never managed to complete it. Maybe you should have kept CPS2 to yourself, it aint that great anyways, just new and lamers like that sort of thing.

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 Name: moloko Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (12:49)
Subject: Re: Final Burn Rules!
From: 207.42.35.146
Strange...I'm not "new" or a "lamer" and I like CPS2.

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Name: Vincent A. Andrews Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (7:02)
Subject: regret
From: 62.252.224.5
I was very sorry to hear that Final Burn was no longer being developed and can only hope that one day there will be a return....

Thank you for all your hard work.
without people like yourself, emulation would still be in it's early infancy.

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Name: Benandanti Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (7:01)
Subject: Thanks..
From: 213.122.5.98
After so many flames and whatnot, it's nice that the facts can come to light like this, without everyone yelling blue murder at each other.

I'd rather you didn't give up coding emulators yourself though, not for any of our sakes, but for the fact that you seemed to enjoy working on them so much. I mean, it would be a better time to focus on the AB hardware what with CPS-2 being spread out between other emulators ?

But that's your call, and you've said no already, and I understand.

Back in the older days, you were on the retrogames board a lot, and you seemed to pay more attention to us than most emu authors would, which was refreshing, and you truely seemed to have fun doing it. I guess I'll miss that kind of thing more than I will a new game added every week or so.

I can't speak for everyone, but it'd be nice if you'd stop by retrogames and leave a post every now and again, we'd be glad to have you, lets just hope we can keep the house in order next time you come round, ne ? ^_^


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Name: Gotor Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (6:54)
Subject: Thanks
From: 62.42.63.20
Your emulator is fantatisc, I only Could play cps2 games with your emulator, the rest of cp2 emulators are too slowly.

La verdad es que mi inglés es muy malo asi que lo pongo mejor en castellano: Gracias a tu emulador he podido jugar a los juegos de cp2, el resto de emuladores que hay ahora mismo me corren demasiado lento y la verdad tu emulador tiene algo de lo que deberian aprender otros emuladores y no es otra cosa que preocuparse de que los juegos funcionen bien y rapido y no tanto en la interfaz del emulador. espero que algun dia te replantees volver con el finalburn e ignorar los insultos de gente sin cabeza. de nuevo gracias!!!

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Name: delboy3000 Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (6:53)
Subject: Retro Scene
From: 205.188.195.31
Interesting Comments Dave and Jose

Obiously I am a big fan

I have been around a long time for PC's and gaming stuff - I suppose its sad really but I love looking through my old issuse of ZZap 64 / Crash / C&VG etc and looking back at games of old - Jeff Minter and Rob Hubbard were my Idols back then and I remember looking at old articles about Raster Itterupts and stuff and from the Intervue with Dave it is obvious that he is very knowledgable about such things and hold the EMU scene close to his heart

I hope he continues - I hope he releases further Emu's and I hope he continues to have fun

In the end - thats all we really want isnt it - Love - Money - Knowlesge and FUN !!!

All the best to ya

Delboy

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Name: D@Z Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (5:53)
Subject: respect
From: 62.252.224.5
I wanna thank dave for opening some peoples eyes on what really goes on and giving us one hot(FREE)emulator and for this excellent interview by the top dog Joseq.

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Name: krono Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (5:50)
Subject:
From: 212.25.134.84
thanks for this great emulator, is great play the sf games here compared with a psx. i hope you will work hard and maybe correct the fails of the background of out run. can you do a msx emulator? eres uno de los mejores y que ha dado al mundo unos de los emuladores que será recordado hasta el final de los dias... Gracias

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Name: Jimmi Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (5:24)
Subject: Possibly
From: 62.253.128.8
I personally think that Dave did a good job with his efforts, but I think that this guy quit too easily. Pioneers win taking everything they get thrown at them. So in conclusion I don't think Dave is a pioneer (just a damn good coder).

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 Name: Alec Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (6:31)
Subject: Re: Possibly
From: 195.147.146.175
Oh come on! could you handle sorting through a mail box of insults just to get to the few messages that are actually any use to you? I get annoyed when i get a 50-50 spread between junkmail and the good stuff and i only get 15-20 mails a day! can you imagine what it must be like with hundreds???????

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 Name: Common Sense Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (10:44)
Subject: Re: Re: Possibly
From: 213.123.128.108
>Oh come on! could you handle sorting through a mail box of insults just to get to the few messages that are actually any use to you? I get annoyed when i get a 50-50 spread between junkmail and the good stuff and i only get 15-20 mails a day! can you imagine what it must be like with hundreds???????
>Well it doesnt take an idiot to create a free account just for say the emulator related stuff and keep the personal email private, does it?

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Name: azian Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (4:54)
Subject: final stage(congratulation!!!!!!!!!!)
From: 152.163.213.201
merci dave pour tout le bonheur que j ai a jouer avec FINAL BURN je comprend maintenant pour tu stop ton emulateur tu est une personne qui merite le plus grand respect car tu as acoomplis un travail superbe merveilleux et pour moi francais j ais vraiment l impression que tu as fait avancer d un grand pas l emulation tu as eu une inspiration que beaucoup ont pris pour leur compte alors je me suis dit qu il faudrais qu il en autant pour que les vrais joueurs leur rende la pareil j aimerais dire aussi bravo a GWENJU car je comprend que tu n ai pas proposer FINAL BURN HACK qui est en fait le profit de certain qui ce sont permis de prendre l emulation en general sans consultation de leur createur et donc de leur faire affront mais Dave si tu ne continu pas ce travail d autre ce mobiliseront pour l ameliorer car les gens sont tellement impacient et exigent cest vraiment dommage tout ca aller salut mon grand et esperont q un jour nous reverons d autre FINAL BURN crée. AAZ .ps merci joseq's pour ton interview i love EMUVIEWS

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Name: Hmm... Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (4:15)
Subject: Off Topic.
From: 216.126.184.47
Hey wait. Can I get my ch flight stick to work with afterburner and galaxy force 2?

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Name: ... Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (4:12)
Subject:
From: 63.105.20.105
thanks Dave

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Name: hmm... Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (4:06)
Subject: Obvious.
From: 216.126.184.47
The first people to say anything in the "emu scene" are the 10 yr olds. We all know that. To tell you the truth the only time I have ever corresponded with emu authors is when I created logos or graphical themes, I do it because its the only thing I can contribute.

Never the less I speak out on opinions often on open message boards like this one, irc, or usenet.

Negative opinion of an emu author. I have a hard time seeing how thats possible. Unless its one of those pay emus which in more cases than less are poor compared to the free emus.

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Name: The Ref Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (3:55)
Subject:
From: 213.51.129.133
Thanks for everything Dave...

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Name: John Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (3:36)
Subject: Final Burn
From: 24.221.60.151
Dayvee, I assume you'll be around to at least look over the commentary.

Thank you for your excellent work over the past months. You proved that CPS2 not only could be done, but done in less than half the CPU of MAME.

If I thought it'd help, I'd ask you to reconsider, but I understand that burnout can last a long long time.

Just to be frank, I almost mailed you a few times to offer encouragement, but I'm glad I kept silent-- just one more mail in the flood of good and negativity wouldn't really make a difference, right?

Take the break, it's well deserved, and look at your project again in six months, or even a year. Then I ask you to reconsider, based on that time, what you feel is best. If you decide then that it isn't worth it, nobody can blame you in the least.

I took a look over the Retrogames CPS2 board only once before I came to the unfortunate conclusion that the immaturity and flaming is only worse now than it was a month ago. Maybe someday things will die down and life will go on.

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Name: ivwshane Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (3:17)
Subject: Thanks..
From: 24.219.125.234
Thanks JQ and Dave for clarifying everything. And Dave I hope you do continue to contribute to the emu scene wheather through mame or your own releases. Good luck with whatever you do.
And as always you rock JQ! (you to Dave)

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Name: Dustin Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (3:13)
Subject:
From: 216.133.166.124
I'm sorry, but I'm still not that convinced. A LOT of other people were 'forced outta da scene' because of lamers, but they really didn't make this much of a big deal about it. They were out, and that was that. I honestly think that Dave really, really needs a lot of attention onto himself for some reason. Lamers are to be expected. I don't think he's a bad guy, but I think that he HAS to take part of the blame for this whole blemish on the emulation community. I don't belive that he's as innocent as all you so called intelligent people make him out to be.


The '3l33t' are assholes.

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 Name: Common Sense Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (10:45)
Subject: Re:
From: 213.123.128.108
>I'm sorry, but I'm still not that convinced. A LOT of other people were 'forced outta da scene' because of lamers, but they really didn't make this much of a big deal about it. They were out, and that was that. I honestly think that Dave really, really needs a lot of attention onto himself for some reason. Lamers are to be expected. I don't think he's a bad guy, but I think that he HAS to take part of the blame for this whole blemish on the emulation community. I don't belive that he's as innocent as all you so called intelligent people make him out to be.
>
>
>The '3l33t' are assholes.
>I second this opinion :-)

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Name: Brainlord Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (2:59)
Subject: you're the man Dave
From: 148.235.109.188
as a programmer I understand all the trouble you went into developing FB and getting in return all the shit from a bunch of assholes who only wanted more and more and more, lamers that just dont need to be listened.

You are a great programmer man, just do your thing and let lamers burn=).
99.9% of all the lamers dont know shit about what programming language is, a lot of people are developing emus and breaking their brains in pieces to get better at it or just for fun.

lamers dont belong to this dimension.

keep it up man.

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Name: Dupe Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (2:54)
Subject: Idiots
From: 195.92.194.17
You'll always get idiots that have to put other people down (they are a bit like bullies in school....cowards hiding behind words). Well IMHO i think if i was dave i would have quit too, it may just be a case of "sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me" but how much does dave have to take. Everything he did was for free and in his spare time and a lot of lame people couldnt see past their own greed. Anyway good on ya dave for bringing us Cps2 emulation...you started the ball rolling and good luck on whatever you do in the future (if anything after all the flak you took for FB).
Dupe :)

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Name: Walk Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (2:41)
Subject: to JoseQ and Dave
From: 63.215.114.219
first of all..kudos to JoseQ for interviewing the man i know a lot of people would like to see interviewed.
Once again proving that this site is tops among all emulation sites (and im sure a bunch of other sites will be linking this interview now)..And its great to have a honest view of Dave. I would also like to say that i commend Dave for deciding to work with the Mame team...i believe that his work will further improve mame, and here's to the future of Mame and emulation, because through all the lamers and everything else...there's still games to be played.

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Name: Spanky Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (2:30)
Subject: And another thing
From: 209.145.169.12
I don't see why people where on his ass, he was dishing out releases so fast that by the time I downloaded the latest one I missed three! Oo he had his shit together!

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Name: Prophet Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (2:14)
Subject: Dayvee unbanned at ZTnet
From: 206.173.16.20
Dayvee,

Metallik is the Pinball moderator and had no right to ban you from ZTnet. That's up to Opi and/or Atila, so I've unbanned you.

And yes, I agree with JoseQ's assessment of Dayvee - he's a nice and very talented person who I believe really enjoyed watching ppl have fun. Though I do think he handled the unfortunate negativity poorly at times. But that's water under the bridge...

And Dayvee, if you see this post - I'd really like if everyone could cool off and possibly even reconcile a little. Emulation can be better than all this, so please, I do think it would be best if you ignored any posts that offend you for a while. Sometimes saying nothing says everything.

And hi JoseQ - thank you for not really closing this site, I'm still very much a fan. :)

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 Name: Mindrape Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (10:50)
Subject: Re: Dayvee unbanned at ZTnet
From: 213.123.128.108
>Dayvee,
>
>Metallik is the Pinball moderator and had no right to ban you from ZTnet. That's up to Opi and/or Atila, so I've unbanned you.
>
>And yes, I agree with JoseQ's assessment of Dayvee - he's a nice and very talented person who I believe really enjoyed watching ppl have fun. Though I do think he handled the unfortunate negativity poorly at times. But that's water under the bridge...
>
>And Dayvee, if you see this post - I'd really like if everyone could cool off and possibly even reconcile a little. Emulation can be better than all this, so please, I do think it would be best if you ignored any posts that offend you for a while. Sometimes saying nothing says everything.
>
>And hi JoseQ - thank you for not really closing this site, I'm still very much a fan. :)
>Yes emulation can be better than this....certain guys are enjoying as yet an unreleased *and probably never to be released to the public)3DO emulator but due to silly antics by certain "l33t" individuals at certain "l33t" websites too have a lot to thank for this. Emulation as far as I'm concerned is too "public" and too many webmasters have too much say and greed for this to continue. But otherwise have a nice day.

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 Name: Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (3:17)
Subject: Re: Dayvee unbanned at ZTnet
From: 216.133.166.124
>Though I do think he handled the unfortunate negativity poorly at times.

True

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 Name: Another EMu Author Posted: Sunday, May 13, 2001 - (5:33)
Subject: Re: Re: Dayvee unbanned at ZTnet
From: 206.152.135.42
>>Though I do think he handled the unfortunate negativity poorly at times.
>
>True
>
Agreed. This is what many people are trying to say, altho many seem to say it poorly.

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 Name: Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (3:16)
Subject: Re: Dayvee unbanned at ZTnet
From: 216.133.166.124
>Dayvee,
>
>Metallik is the Pinball moderator and had no right to ban you from ZTnet. That's up to Opi and/or Atila, so I've unbanned you.
>
>And yes, I agree with JoseQ's assessment of Dayvee - he's a nice and very talented person who I believe really enjoyed watching ppl have fun. Though I do think he handled the unfortunate negativity poorly at times. But that's water under the bridge...
>
>And Dayvee, if you see this post - I'd really like if everyone could cool off and possibly even reconcile a little. Emulation can be better than all this, so please, I do think it would be best if you ignored any posts that offend you for a while. Sometimes saying nothing says everything.
>
>And hi JoseQ - thank you for not really closing this site, I'm still very much a fan. :)
>

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Name: ESCAPIST Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (1:11)
Subject: the truth!
From: 151.202.101.34
Dave is what the arcade experience is all about- fun. He's given us one of the best emulators ever and continues with the MAME crew. It's that devotion to video games that keeps our thumbs sore! Thanks!

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Name: Sigy Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (0:51)
Subject: Dave
From: 151.199.159.237
Your the man Dave and i know kinda what you went through at retrogames message board on how everyone harrased you. I myself will never sign up and write messages there because everyone there will flame your ass over something stupid. Anyway you will alway be a hero in the emulation community to me. i am glad you decided to stop or delay final burn work because i feel it is just a big headache for me to read all the insulting posts on you. I still remember all the posts you replyied to me on emuviews message board while you worked on final burn during the early stages of development. I will always respect you no matter what because you showed that you have the talent, dedication,courage,skills and the brightest programer the emulation community has to yet to see.
Sigy

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Name: jumpmanjr Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2001 - (0:17)
Subject: dayvee
From: 4.33.32.111
Why do you still post stuff on retrogames.com Davyee? Just let it go. Sad to see FB gone and all but just need to bury it.

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 Name: An EMu Author Posted: Sunday, May 13, 2001 - (5:27)
Subject: Re: Re: Re:
From: 206.152.135.42
>Kinda narrow minded aren't you?
>I don't "worship" Dave or anyone else on here. I do respect
>what he has done for the emulation scene. The real point
>here is why you are so obsessed with hating him? Because
>he got tired of your whining and stopped pumping out new
>releases on your demand? One day when you grow up, you'll
>realize that the world don't revolve around you, and we
>aren't all here to serve you like your mommie and daddy is.
>I really have the urge to give your parents a backhanded
>slap across the face for their BAD parenting skills. It's
>too late to do any good though. You'll never amount to
>anything.
>

You are not being narrow minded?
I respect his work as do many of us. There is no doubt Dave has a talent.

But your assumption that all people that feel Dave made a bad decision or at least an inproper one, are young delinquents is also narrow minded or stereotypical at least.

Dave could have decided to take a break. Period. He could have discontinued work, decided to ignore all requests for the next couple of months, or done anything else.
Instead he decided to delete his site, post a message saying that no one respects his works so his project is discontinued, and then drop out of the scene.
Isn't this a little bit childish?

I personally think he could have dealt with this better. Especially after all the recent authors "Leaving the Scene" and all the critique associated with their leaving.

But as many have said, it was his choice.
Just becuase people disagree with it, doesn't mean they are wrong.

Good Day.

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 Name: HalfShadow Posted: Monday, May 14, 2001 - (21:51)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re:
From: 24.64.223.204
Dave's a whiny little fucktool. Plain and simple.

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 Name: Jess Posted: Monday, July 16, 2001 - (22:22)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
From: ky-owensboro2a-433.rhmdky.adelphia.net
Fuck U Dave rocks

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