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Next for bleem! DC! - May 29,2001 by JoseQ
If you visit the bleem! website, you can find out what the next game pak to be released will be. That is, if we can help bleem! survive their latest dealings with Sony. As some of you already know, Sony threatened retailers and basically pushed them into taking bleem! out of their shelves and not ordering any more. This of course, will prevent any future release of bleem! from ever hitting the public. The website now provides tons of links on who you can contact to help this small company survive. If you want to ever see "Metal Gear Solid" running on your Dreamcast, you better contact those retailers and tell them you want it. There's over 6 million of us Dreamcast owners, we should be able to exercise some pressure, don't you think? Let's do it!

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Name: Dark Watcher Posted: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 - (14:31)
Subject: Bleem & Sony
From: 216.127.236.254
At first we questioned why Sony feels threatened by the Bleempacks...Sony loses money for every PSX console sold and make money off game sales...One would think that Sony would allow Bleemcast since it promotes DC owners to purchase Playstation games (You need the original game to play Bleemcast)..That would mean more game sales....They did port many titles to PC after all....
Then we look at the other side of the coin...Bleem never got permissive rights to emulate the PSX for money...and the graphic enhancements take away one of the perks of owning a Playstation 2 (SMOOTHING OPTION PSX GAMES) thereby taking sales from its new beast.

We own the PS2 and the Dreamcast..We purchased the GT2 Bleempack, and were pleased with the results using the results using the DC VGA adaptor...The enhancements were the same as the PS2 smoothing option without the use of the DC VGA adaptor...
The battle between Bleem and Sony began with the Playstation PC emulator...both parties got screwed with the release of free emulators such as EPSXE and FPSX....Our prediction will be the development of another free emulator for Dreamcast that will screw them both again...Till then..enjoy the Bleempacks...

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Name: Kurgan Posted: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 - (4:50)
Subject: Long Live BleemCast!
From: jdslppp191.desm.uswest.net
I say support BleemCast.. forget Bleem PC (sorry guys, try VGS instead).

BleemCast is totally unique and worthy of our support. I'd love to see more titles released for it.

That's my 2 cents.

DC 4 ever!

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Name: Atomic Skull Posted: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 - (1:18)
Subject: Fuck Bleem..
From: cc897980-a.arden1.ca.home.com
Screw 'em, they abandoned the Pc version with the lame rationalization that PC Bleem users "have got their money's worth already".. sorry guys, a prioduct that buggy isn't "getting your money's worth"

All this news got from me was a sneer and a hearty laugh, good riddance!

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Name: Atomic Skull Posted: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 - (1:22)
Subject: Re: Fuck Bleem..
From: cc897980-a.arden1.ca.home.com
users "have got their money's worth already".. sorry guys, a prioduct that buggy isn't "getting your money's worth"
>

Let me clarify that a bit, you seen a buggy emulator isn't the problem, it's when they try to _SELL_ a buggy emulator as a commercial product that I have a problem.

A commercial product is a whole different ballgame, MAME, Raine, Final Burn etc. are all *free*, so I have no right to complain about problems with them, but Bleem was a different story, Bleem was commercial, you were expected to pay actual money for it, so therfore it should be expected to work, or at least have bugfixes released for it till it did. It's like buying a car, and having the manufactuer say, yes, we know that model was a lemon, but hey, you've gotten your money's worth already so we won't fix those faulty brakes.

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Name: OtisFantastic Posted: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 - (21:30)
Subject: What about the pc?
From: 24-163-117-214.mf3.cox.rr.com
How about these guys support the morons like me who bought Bleem! for the pc. They have done an incredibly terrible job of giving me my "lifetime" of updates. Nuts to them.

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Name: Drybonz Posted: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 - (20:40)
Subject: gwmiAd
From: proxy.mgtnwv.adelphia.net
I wonder why Bleem doesnt sell them directly over the internet instead of relying on the retailers?

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Name: Phil Posted: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 - (19:05)
Subject: PSX Emulation on Dreamcast
From: 146.145.226.118
I suspect most Dreamcast owners would rather see a quality Playstation emulator like FPSE ported to the Dreamcast.

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Name: stefano Posted: Friday, June 1, 2001 - (22:06)
Subject: Re: PSX Emulation on Dreamcast
From: 151.4.73.54
>I suspect most Dreamcast owners would rather see a quality Playstation emulator like FPSE ported to the Dreamcast.
>
>

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Name: pers Posted: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 - (19:51)
Subject: Re: PSX Emulation on Dreamcast
From: ringo-fddi10-0-6.misc-dhcp.arizona.edu
I kinda like the bleempacks cause there highly optimised and probably well tested. The first one was great anyway and good value.

With the ongoing Sony legal action and the lack of DC owners around, Ill bet that these little packs will become collectors items one day - after all they're the first commercially released cross-console emulators.

pers

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Name: Phil Posted: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 - (20:44)
Subject: Re: Re: PSX Emulation on Dreamcast
From: 146.145.226.118
>I kinda like the bleempacks cause there highly optimised and probably well tested.

I'd rather have an emulator with good compatibility even if there are some minor glitches. If Bleemcast really only works well with one game (or a small handful of games), there must be something horribly wrong with their approach.

>The first one was great anyway and good value.

Maybe. It would make more sense if they came bundled with the PSX game in question, or better yet re-released with permission from the original publisher so that it plays off a single CD direct on a Dreamcast without any CD swapping.

People that aren't already familiar with emulation would almost certainly be confused by their current product.

If you already have the PSX game, chances are you've played it to death.

If you don't, I guess it's reasonable to spend a few extra bucks for improved graphics, but in that case why not just buy a real Dreamcast title?

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Name: pers Posted: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 - (0:03)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: PSX Emulation on Dreamcast
From: 1cust184.tnt3.tucson.az.da.uu.net

>>The first one was great anyway and good value.
>
>Maybe. It would make more sense if they came bundled with the PSX game in question, or better yet re-released with permission from the original publisher so that it plays off a single CD direct on a Dreamcast without any CD swapping.

I dont think bleem and sony will get into bed together and come up with a bundled product

>People that aren't already familiar with emulation would almost certainly be confused by their current product.

It comes equipped with simple instructions.

>If you already have the PSX game, chances are you've played it to death.

In that case you would have to be a little crazed to buy the bleempack!

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Name: Phil Posted: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 - (15:54)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: PSX Emulation on Dreamcast
From: 146.145.226.111
"You surely cannot envisage the majority of third party developers wanting to stick two fingers up at Sony by supporting the development of bleempacks"

How would this be any different from a company agreeing to allow their games be ported to the Dreamcast?

Sony (TTBOMK) does not demand exclusivity clauses from its licensees.

Without cooperation from the game makers, I think Bleem would have a very hard time in court justifying their emulator. Normally, emulators emulate hardware. In contrast, Bleemcast does not claim to emulate a Playstation, but rather targets a specific software title, uses its graphics in advertisements, and even advertises the fact that their product works with CDRs of that game.

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Name: pers Posted: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 - (19:11)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: PSX Emulation on Dreamcast
From: ringo-fddi10-0-6.misc-dhcp.arizona.edu

>Sony (TTBOMK) does not demand exclusivity clauses from its licensees.

You obviously weren't around at the time of the Tomb Raider Saga when Sony used exactly these tactics to effectively sink the Sega Saturn

pers

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Name: pers Posted: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 - (19:06)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: PSX Emulation on Dreamcast
From: ringo-fddi10-0-6.misc-dhcp.arizona.edu

>How would this be any different from a company agreeing to allow their games be ported to the Dreamcast?

The difference is that Sony isnt trying to sue Sega for selling the Dreamcast. Whereas they have made several attempts to sue the Bleem team.
Lately Sony have been accused of using strongarm tactics to encourage retailers not to stock the bleemcast packs. Why do you find it so hard to believe that Sony would use similar tactics to prevent third party publishers cooperating with bleem.

pers

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Name: Posted: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 - (11:37)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: PSX Emulation on Dreamcast
From: 146.145.226.111
>I dont think bleem and sony will get into bed together and come up with a bundled product

What does Sony have to do with it? 99% of PSX games are 3rd party titles. If these companies were approached, it is quite possible that several of them would consider re-releasing some of their PSX games for Dreamcast using Bleem technology, so long as Bleem Inc. did all the work and gave the game-maker a reasonable percentage of any profits.

As Bleemcast stands now, it is all but being advertised as a piracy engine for playing "backups."

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Name: pers Posted: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 - (14:53)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: PSX Emulation on Dreamcast
From: ringo-fddi10-0-6.misc-dhcp.arizona.edu
>>I dont think bleem and sony will get into bed together and come up with a bundled product
>
>What does Sony have to do with it? 99% of PSX games are 3rd party titles. If these companies were approached, it is quite possible that several of them would consider re-releasing some of their PSX games for Dreamcast using Bleem technology, so long as Bleem Inc. did all the work and gave the game-maker a reasonable percentage of any profits.
>
>As Bleemcast stands now, it is all but being advertised as a piracy engine for playing "backups."
>

So far we have one bleempack - gran turismo 2, a game published by Sony. You surely cannot envisage the majority of third party developers wanting to stick two fingers up at Sony by supporting the development of bleempacks. After all many of these companies will be aiming to make a living releasing sofware for the PS2.

As for Bleem being a "piracy engine" - how about the millions of "chipped" PSXs out there?


pers

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Name: JoseQ Posted: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 - (22:45)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: PSX Emulation on Dreamcast
From: roc-24-93-19-224.rochester.rr.com
>If you don't, I guess it's reasonable to spend a few extra bucks for improved graphics, but in that case why not just buy a real Dreamcast title?

Do you mean the Dreamcast version of Metal Gear Solid? Or Gran Turismo 2?

Each bleemcast product, works with only one game, thus why it sells for six bucks. And those games are some that non-playstation owning gamers probably wanted to play for quite a while.

If bleemcast continues, then the next one will be Final Fantasy IX, another one that you can't play on a DC.

JoseQ

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Name: Phil Posted: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 - (11:29)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: PSX Emulation on Dreamcast
From: 146.145.226.111
"why not just buy a real Dreamcast title?"

>Do you mean the Dreamcast version of Metal Gear Solid?

Not relevant, since it isn't available yet ;)

>Or Gran Turismo 2?

Actually, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Dreamcast has several excellent racing games that IMO look sound and play better than any texture-smoothed PSX game could, including Gran Turisimo 2.

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Name: pers Posted: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 - (23:53)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: PSX Emulation on Dreamcast
From: 1cust184.tnt3.tucson.az.da.uu.net
I agree,

Its got to be good for DC owners to be able to play the cream of PSX titles. Personally I dont expect that the ePSX team would write a conversion of their emulator for the DC since the DC has such a small user base compared to PC.

And what can you get for six dollars these days? Perhaps we are all a little too used to getting something for nothing in the world of emulation. As for the disc-swapping issues, these simply relate to the lack of a hard drive on the DC..


Pers.

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Name: Posted: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 - (20:06)
Subject: Re: Re: PSX Emulation on Dreamcast
From: w011.z064220009.hrt-ct.dsl.cnc.net
>.edu
>I kinda like the bleempacks cause there highly optimised and probably well tested. The first one was great anyway and good value.
>
>With the ongoing Sony legal action and the lack of DC owners around, Ill bet that these little packs will become collectors items one day - after all they're the first commercially released cross-console emulators.
>
>pers
"lack of dc owners?"
waaaay more dc owners than ps2 owners...

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Name: pers Posted: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 - (23:57)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: PSX Emulation on Dreamcast
From: 1cust184.tnt3.tucson.az.da.uu.net
>waaaay more dc owners than ps2 owners...


Not the DC versus PS2 war, please.... My point was that the DC never acheived the user base it deserved.


pers

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